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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:04 pm

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thank you... mod... hmmm...

There was no mod in the movie... HES LYING ABOUT HIS ROLE LYNCH HIM!
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:38 pm

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Who do you think held up those title cards? Hmmm?
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:44 pm

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Drat my brilliant plan has been foiled! i will get you next time...
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:31 pm

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Thankyou for your apology Poker.

Btw, Erg0, I did unvote a bit back there. I'd quite like to know why you wanted me to Poker.

My role PM - I'm Randal Graves, clerk at RST video next to quick stop. I'm Dante's best friend. Each night I must kill someone who I believe to be "Shaking up" his life, until all threats are elimated basically.

I think that fits within the allowances.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:33 pm

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You said you had other questions but I can't seem to find them.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:49 pm

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Fixed the vote count.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:21 pm

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Come on Erg... its just three of us :P
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:36 pm

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I said scumbag instead of scum and took it to far. I tried to boss you around when the truth is I already had the answers to the other questions. I already had what I wanted and I shouldn't be forcing a player to bow to me in any remote fashion. We will move on since the flavor question was really the only one I needed really, thanx Xtoxm.

That stab vs eggs down throat works very well when you consider the following. Caitlin Bree went into that men's room to fuck someone entirely different. Would it be possible you killed the egg man through a simular means; you went into night to try and kill Korlash and somehow killed the eggman. That would explain the night scene difference. I thought Xtoxm would speculate about Korlash having a extra redirect ability. I hinted at a redirecting ability being present day2. But Xtoxm didn't speculate it.

And you know what? That idea above, which is mine, my own idea smells slightly like crap logic. I am sure Korlash would agree with that. So it's actually good Xtoxm didn't answer like that. Xtoxm wasn't prepared for that line of questioning.

However, what I say here is not crap Logic. A long while back, so far back I forgot the roles exact name (I'll check my old irc notes later and i'll probably find its name), there was a role that nulled any actions sent at it and sent it at another random target. I want to say Radiant but I don't think that is the exact name. And I had this role myself as an SK once in irc. But something tells me the eggman's death wasn't random.

I claimed vanilla Day3 and asked eggman to claim. He never did. I think Dead Rik was killed because of fear of the unknown, the chance he wasn't nilla. I don't know which one of you did it
at the moment
but i think that's why he got cracked. Korlash I do recall you thinking about killing me in Dr. Who2 and I'm sure you now wish you did.
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Tell me Korlash why did you consider targeting me last night? Did you find me suspicious in some way. You did vote Xtoxm and give your word, so why even consider hitting someone else, Korlash?
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As it stands we have 2 possible conclusions.
1. Randall has the power to survive 1 nk and killed the eggman lastnight. (I say survive 1 since I am yet to read or be in a 12 man game where they could survive more than 1 cause of balance)
2. Porno Man is SK and has an extra skill that sent Randall's kill at Eggman. And it is feasible that this extra skill may or may not allow Porno man to still SCAR during the night. Most likly it doesn't allow you to scar too or Korlash could have scared me and killed Eggman and endgamed Randal taking home the win.

Possibilty 1 is alot simplier than the 2nd one and yet if it was really that simple i think Xtoxm would have made up an elaborate case to pin the blame on Korlash in this situation. That's what i would have tried to do instead of relying on the mod. (I say tried cause the fact is this, I sure as fuck don't know how I would or could succeed at doing such a thing, but i would still make the effort.) You said it yourself Korlash...
Korlash wrote:..3) Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for the Sk to try to lynch the vig today so that he wins tomorrow?
Doesn't look to me like he was trying to lynch you earlier on today. Assuming he is now without nk imunity he would have to lynch you cause lynching me would get him killed tonight by you. Meanwhile a person that doesn't 'need' the vig gone a person that would exist in possibility 2 would have the luxary of trying to frame me with that bizarre jailkeeper case. You'd need only one of us gone in order to endgame the other in a simular fashion mentioned above.

@Korlash,
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's about targeting me. Also present any closing arguements you may have. Despite everything what I have figured here makes my gut still suspect you.

@Xtoxm,
you presented a good case on the scummyness of Korlash/edion0 in posts 545-547, 552. Would you care to go further now? Considering alot that has transpired my brain wants to lynch you for it is simplier and makes more sence.

I'm pretty much just asking you both for closing arguments for you see..


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Day 1 edion vs Xdammo = scumier was Xdammo
Day 2 edion&Korlash vs Xdammo = Draw. Xdammo wasn't here and we have the nuetrality stuff. I have seen situations where a player would claim to have no opinion or be nuetral and come up scum. Oman has probably seen that stuff too, considering his attitude earlier.
Day 3 Korlash vs Xtoxm = Korlash scumier.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:13 pm

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It's the whole gut thing you keep talkign about. last night I was wavering on the possibility of two vigs actaully existing. Seems unlikely but almsot everything is possible in a game of mafia...

As for him not trying to lynch me... I mean... other then "Hmmm Poker is suspicious..." I pretty much count his vote on me all day...

Also, just why would the Old man have a night kill imunity? Unless you want to argue I'm already dead... i guess I could see that one as an argument... Being dead I can't be NKed... So how could I post if Im dead?

How about the darkness? it's dark so people who target me get redirected. But that doesnt fit the movie. it should be, people who target Dante instead target me, flavor wise. Also wouldn't the darkess mess up my targeting skills too?

Just htings to think about for situation two.

As for Randal... Hmm... Imunity.... He could always hide in the video store, coulde lock himself inside. Rememeber in the movie he sold cigs to a kid, and Dante took the blame. Perhaps he is "blameless" to the point no one can target him... That sounds stupid...

Hmmm... perhaps he just plain "cant be scarred" thats a possibility.

Also why am I scummier day 3? Other then the Nk thing going bad....
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:04 am

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Korlash wrote:Also, just why would the Old man have a night kill imunity? Unless you want to argue I'm already dead... i guess I could see that one as an argument... Being dead I can't be NKed... So how could I post if Im dead?

How about the darkness? it's dark so people who target me get redirected. But that doesnt fit the movie. it should be, people who target Dante instead target me, flavor wise. Also wouldn't the darkess mess up my targeting skills too?
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Korlash wrote: Also why am I scummier day 3? Other then the Nk thing going bad....
Only because Xtoxm looked very town with the scumhuntting in posts 545-547, 552. You do great amount of scumhunting day 3 IIRC

Well then do you guys have anything further to add? You don't have to vote, I prefer you didn't but still I'm doing all the work here! Can you present further case on each other, something I may have overlooked? At this rate I might need the final card to decide after all...
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:51 am

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I am going to try and get a "final case" together, didn't have the time to do that today though, cos it'll take some going back thru the thread, but I will tomorrow.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:55 pm

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Alright I'll see what I can scrape together too, after work that is.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:26 am

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I'll try to refrain form repeating myself.
Old Guy (Me): Polite, didn't steal anything, simply asked for it. In fact there was a sign in the store saying "If your going to shoplift please let us know" so... He did follow the rules. And seeing as how he scarred Catlin and she was scum I don;t think there is any reason to think the two are scum together.
This sounds like just the thing an SK would say when setting himself up for a vig claim. Using being against the mafia to his advantage.
downside being I die if I target the "wrong person."
Then why are you still alive?
Also on the Sk point, please note Catlin was the only one to NOT DIE! How can an Sk be responsible for that?
They are removed from the game it's exactly the same as dying, it just shows difference in the kills. I don't see how that is an argument.

Throughout my replacement Korlash has seemed unsure as to whether to argue that I am Randal SK or I am someone else with safeclaim...The 2 directly contradict each other...He's trying to keep all the options open to get me lynched.

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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:28 am

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I'd also like to hear why don't want us to vote each other. I don't see the difference.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:31 pm

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Xtom wrote:This sounds like just the thing an SK would say when setting himself up for a vig claim. Using being against the mafia to his advantage.
This sounds jsut like what an Sk would say when trying to prove the vig was setting himself up for the vig claim...

See... Not such a hard thing to say is it? Creativity man, key to an Sk's win. But don't go overboard >< never claim God....
Xtom wrote:Then why are you still alive?
Don't know, ask Erg0. Perhpas it's so you don't win automatically.

[quote="Xtom"They are removed from the game it's exactly the same as dying, it just shows difference in the kills. I don't see how that is an argument.[/quote]

It's the difference between towing a car away legally, or slamming another car into it to push it away. One is the work of a good guy, one is the work of a bad guy... *winks* Flavor man... it plays a key role in this game!

Xtom wrote:Throughout my replacement Korlash has seemed unsure as to whether to argue that I am Randal SK or I am someone else with safeclaim...The 2 directly contradict each other...He's trying to keep all the options open to get me lynched.
I've been fairly key on calling you the Sk... I may have mentioned a crack pot theoy where you are a fourth mafia, but an Sk seems better. As for safecalims, I believe I was a key pusher for both ChaosOmega and spurgistan based solely on their calims, which turned out to be safe calims. So... For me to argue Randal as a safecalim and as a reason to lynch you is in no way a "new" thing today. It seems all the safeclaims are actually... unsafe claims this game lolz..

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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:17 pm

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Korlash wrote:My stuff is coming... this work, come home sleep, get up work... thing s starting to really cut into my online time!!!!
Ok i'll keep waiting. I'll explain the vote thing in my next post. Let's just say I'm a fair man for now. Until then two sidenotes I have been meaning to point out.

1)Ergo Wins. See posts 625-627. Yet I'm not sure I should believe his Kevin Smith Director Claim considering what happened to Silent Bob. :P

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and dragged to this spot, leaving a trail of blood along the way. The killer had even taken the time to put Jay's hand on Silent Bob's ass.
Hetero life partners my ass
, thought Dante to himself.

competentpsycho - Jay (Townie/Night Talker) - Killed Night 1
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CRASH!!!


What the fuck was that? It sounded like it came from over by the fridges...

Dante rounded the corner to a scene of carnage.
A man was slumped against the fridges
, the glass door at his back shattered into a million pieces. His face and chest were covered in raw egg - shells, yolks, whites. As Dante approached, he could see that the man wasn't breathing - it appeared that he'd had so many eggs stuffed into his mouth that he'd suffocated. An ironic fate for the so-called Egg Man.

Dante sighed and went behind the counter to look for some gloves. One more for the pile...

Dead Rikimaru - Egg Man (Townie) - Killed Night 3

It is now Day 4. With 3 players alive, 2 votes are required for a lynch.
See what's underlined? I think Jay might have checked the eggman (Krammer at that time) for presence of Silent Bob on night1. I recognize it really has no significance to our current situation, but I find it hard to believe this considering the suspicion on krammer day1. Do either of you think this is a rational thought?
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:51 pm

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I don't understand what you mean?
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:53 am

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Hes saying Jay targeted DR (krammer) for his night talk partner because they were both found by the fridges. Interesting thought.

My stuff will be up in a bit. I jsut got home and I feel like relaxing for a bit. so... blah!

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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:53 am

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I suppose it could be. Don't see how that has any bearing on our situation.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:36 pm

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Well not a lot to go on I think.

Again I point out:
Xtom wrote:The way he says he hospitalizes caitlin in the movie so he couldn't possibly be paired with her is true, but hospitalizing someone isn't a very pro-town thing to do, sounds like SK fits his role.
Again, Killing is in no way more pro-town thing to do.

This made me sad:
Xtom wrote:Almost implying a nuetral role, feigning ignorance of town win condition being in the opeing post.
hey I don't need to feign stupidity! I'm naturally dumb XD
The neutral thing comes from the fact my pm tells me I could die if I target the wrong person. this not only implied I could target townies, but that it was somthing the mod at some point expected me to do. When you think about it it does give you a small neutral feeling.

Missed this one earlier:
Xtom wrote:I'm surprised he killed you though, I thought he would go for the claimed killer...
Could explain why you didn't target me. If you were a vig, wouldn't YOU have targeted the calimed "vig"? Normally vigs don't leave it up to the scum to take their of their dirty work.
Xtom wrote:Old porno loving man sounds like a good SK, especially with what has been said about the character.
how is this? A kind old man makes a better Sk then a gu who ruined Dante's life on more then one occasion?

Not much I found on the readup of Xdaamno. He did one post where he mentioned Sk (shotgun kitten) and laughed. I thought that was funny...

Theres not really much more I can say either unless you want me to go back over what I already said in past posts.
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:47 pm

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Could explain why you didn't target me. If you were a vig, wouldn't YOU have targeted the calimed "vig"? Normally vigs don't leave it up to the scum to take their of their dirty work.
I was pretty sure you would be NKed, so I killed the one I thought most likely mafia.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:50 pm

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Well hang on a second. Are you saying you thought korlash wasn't mafia?
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:15 pm

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My question is still why he wouldn't killed the claimed vig if he was a vig himself. I mean if he was a vig he should have "known" i was lying and so he should have killed me instead of the "maybe" mafia.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:01 am

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PokerFace wrote:Well hang on a second. Are you saying you thought korlash wasn't mafia?
Yes, I thought he was an SK. Because it was clear he had seperate kills to the mafia.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:03 am

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Korlash wrote:My question is still why he wouldn't killed the claimed vig if he was a vig himself. I mean if he was a vig he should have "known" i was lying and so he should have killed me instead of the "maybe" mafia.
Yes I "knew" you were lying, I didn't target you cos I assumed you already had been.
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