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In post 616, Wingback wrote:Just to be clear - you get results as VT or not VT, correct?

Correct.

In post 621, BNL wrote:Why did you want to hide this?

I...didn't really?
I thought Post 586 might've been heavy handed enough to make it clear I had an investigative result, but when I saw Wingback casing Elyse I decided to just nip that in bud.

duppin wrote:

In post 615, TellTaleHeart wrote:There isn't.

I was going to slow dance this, but I can't keep it in my pants. I'm a one-shot neapolitan.

I crumbed it in my first post and in the course of doing so, learned that there is a "neapolitan pizza."

I can confirm that Elyse is town. She's not getting lynched. Ever.

VOTE: Wingback

Why did you check her?

Took a smidgen of a risk, but I was townreading her.

Can we lynch Wingback now

hah TTH I totally saw the result soft

Hence why I said you were more scum than Elyse

Town feels a little OP but yeah let's lynch Wingback and then I'll shoot BNL tonight if Wingback flips town. If somehow that doesn't end it then it'll be a LYLO decision between duppin/TTH, hopefully I would get killed so it would be Elyse that has to deal with it

also I'm not really sure what BNL is getting at in his last post so I would like him to say something before I vote, but if he somehow survives on a Wingback town flip then he's autolynch tomorrow

Wingback (2): Elyse, TellTaleHeart
BulletNLynchproof (1): Wingback
GuiltyLion (0):
Elyse (0):
duppin (0):
TellTaleHeart (0):

Not Voting (3): GuiltyLion, duppin, BulletNLynchproof,

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-27 15:00:00).

Don't Stop Me Now



Tonight I'm gonna have myself a real good time.

In post 627, GuiltyLion wrote:hah TTH I totally saw the result soft

Hence why I said you were more scum than Elyse

Town feels a little OP but yeah let's lynch Wingback and then I'll shoot BNL tonight if Wingback flips town. If somehow that doesn't end it then it'll be a LYLO decision between duppin/TTH, hopefully I would get killed so it would be Elyse that has to deal with it

Vote BNL. You can shoot me tonight if I'm wrong.

If for whatever reason the game doesn't end with BNL and somehow Duppin is scum and the scum have a way to stop the kill, I don't want to risk losing so I'd rather just lynch the scum now and get it over with.

In post 622, Elyse wrote:Hmmm. Ok cool glad to be confirmed.

I refuse to lynch anyone other than Wingback. His posts on this page alone make him deserve the noose.

Actually, my posts on this page were probably the most transparent ones I've made.

You suspect me because I started the day saying that GL was likely the serial killer. For anyone who glossed over the OP or forgot that the mod had given us the number of scum, that's a perfectly reasonable place to push, doubly so because Postie's role makes it look like town is surrounded by multiple factions. Then, there was GL's claim to be ascetic. I've never seen an ascetic vig ever but it's perfectly reasonable for an SK to be ascetic to make them semi-immune from investigations sort of as a balance between not immune and totally immune.

After he was confirmed and I started re-reading the game in its entirety to see whether you or TTH could be scum over BNL, BNL did jack all and made the easiest push in the world - me.

Then when TTH claimed and I verified that it has to be a town role and concluded that BNL was scum, your response is that they were the "scummiest posts in the game." BNL's posts where he it seemed like he was trying to get GL to announce his target makes it seem like he has some sort of redirecting or bus driving ability. Those are not normal but neither are Postie's and GL's roles and I'm thinking there is some sort of variant to it.

In summary - I think there's a decent chance scum have something else up their sleeve and we should cover our bases. It's frustrating that I'm literally the only person still trying to figure this out, so it would be great if people can post more than one line of "let's lynch X" and try and solve what's going on.

In post 627, GuiltyLion wrote:Town feels a little OP but yeah let's lynch Wingback and then I'll shoot BNL tonight if Wingback flips town. If somehow that doesn't end it then it'll be a LYLO decision between duppin/TTH, hopefully I would get killed so it would be Elyse that has to deal with it

You could be right, depending on what specials scum have, but I would wager that the Normal Review Group does not agree with you.

That's actually the reason I think BnL is town. Two town neighbors would further narrow the pool of people I could possibly confirm and nerf the utility of my role. (This is all with the caveat that setup speculation is not really my thing.)

I agree that a lesser number of VTs balance the game better and I was actually thinking about it earlier. That's one reason I really wanted to go through the game and make sure Duppin isn't the remaining scum. If it comes down to Duppin/TTH, lynch Duppin.

In any case, I'd appreciate people not voting me until I finish re-reading. I don't want to get to the dead thread and find out that Duppin was the scum all along. Unlikely but the rest of you guys are so ridiculously complacent I'm having to cover everyone's bases.

I don't know why Wingback is so adamant about not being lynched and being vigged instead.

Let's lynch him

You suck at this game and at reading so maybe try that and it will answer your question.

Like, I literally went through why I'd rather lynch BNL and get it over with as a direct response to you and you somehow managed to not read a word.

BNL said "" That doesn't seem odd to you in any way? My guess is that scum have something else up their sleeve and I don't want to risk whatever it is. Maybe he's bulletproof or a 1X commuter or I don't know what role he could be. I don't want him winding up in mylo/lylo and having a shot at winning.

The annoying part is not that you're wrong. Everyone in his game including me had crappy reads. My issue is that you are not even trying or reading.

No, I take that back. I said lynching Aristo, GL, BNL should win us the game so I was pretty on-track.

You're right I haven't been reading your posts

Because you are scum

Well, you can look stupid after my townflip.

Willing to take that risk

So we have two clears, GL and Elyse. (If TTH is town she is telling the truth so Elyse is town; if TTH is scum Elyse must be town by PoE). This leaves four unconfirmed: me, duppin, Wingback, and TTH.

~Setup Spec~

Initially I was suspecting TTH because she didn't give the result right away, which would likely give the town autowin (so why hold back?), and because town seems overpowered. But I thought about it over the night; we have Mafia Goon + ???, Town Loyal Doc + Ascetic Vig + 2 Neighbour + 1-shot Neapolitan, which leaves room for only 2 VTs, so the setup is not as broken as I thought. It just happened that the Neap lucked out. And the inno wasn't meant to be held back either, now that's settled.

The vig ensures four town kills (counting a lynch as a town kill). Double day is still slightly scumsided, and the Doc does almost nothing, so .

Which reduces the unknown pool by one to {me,Wingback,Duppin}. I am town, but the conftowns probably can't agree on that, but it doesn't matter. Since we are guarenteed to have today's and tomorrow's lynch,

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Now it comes down to guessing what the Mafia ??? is. If it is an investigative role we won't need to care. Since the vig is ascetic we don't have to worry about a roleblocker either. If it is a doctor, Aristo should've been protected last night, so I think that is unlikely too. Linking back to what I said yesterday about claiming vig shots, I think the most reasonable Mafia PR we have to worry about is:

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Which is why I asked for vig target to be claimed. If vig shoots BP in the night, a kill would've failed, so our chance of winning decreases. Hence, I propose the following:



In this case, we can be guarenteed to succeed our Vig shot by hitting a non-BP. If we kill a non-BP but the shot fails, we can lynch him as that person is fakeclaiming. By asking the vig target claim yesterday, I tried achieving the same thing: I highly doubt there was a BP townie, so if the shot failed, it was most likely on scum.

tl;dr game broken

In post 643, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: Wingback

Did you read anything I wrote since the last time you posted?

I was about to make a case on BNL but considering I got put in a town with a bunch of people with severe reading comprehension issues, I don't know if it's worth it.

Glad we have enough PRs/conftowns to win. Hope we make it despite your inability to read the thread.

did you read what I posted?

In post 628, GuiltyLion wrote:also I'm not really sure what BNL is getting at in his last post so I would like him to say something before I vote, but if he somehow survives on a Wingback town flip then he's autolynch tomorrow

Yeah, I did read what you posted and I responded to it with my concerns. I'd rather just lynch BNL now instead of risking it with whatever power he might have.

You said at the beginning that BNL was who you suspected over me. Why not lynch him first?

BNL, GL already stated he was going to shoot you so I honestly don't get the point of what you're trying to do, but I'm not bulletproof no.

Intend to hammer.

Don't hammer just yet. Still need to get a post out.

Just to be clear, here's why BNL is pretty blatantly scum. Please make sure to follow the links and read in its entirety:

1. Postie townread in Post 193 reads like an excuse to townread a town player under pressure. That last bit about Postie being town for townreading TTH after a recent scumgame of TTH's just ended makes no sense as Postie was modding the game in question so knew TTH's alignment there.
   
2. Going back to Elyse as late as page seven with the crap reasoning in Post 51 and no refining of his read.
   
3. Aristo's subtle defense of him in Post 228 after Postie voted him. Aristo agrees with Postie's read, then posts vague stuff trying to get her to change her read while also calling him scummy and taking care to not directly defend him. He's genuinely is trying to convince Postie here and not just taking a stand.
   
4. Hedges his read on Aristo in Post 259 and is very self-conscious about the fact that Aristo left his wagon.
   
5. Post 261 is a goldmine. Tries to weakly tie Postie to Aristo but he also needs an explanation for when Postie flips town so undercuts his reasoning with more junk about Postie/Aristo interactions on page ten which are null at best.
   
6. Not having a better place for his vote in Post 264 doesn't cut it since he expressed plenty of suspicion of Aristo.
   
7. Overall interactions with Aristo: whenever someone pushes either of them, the other agrees, but casts doubt on the read. See Aristo's Post 228 and BNL's Post 259 side by side.
   
8. Read change on Postie in Post 306 and Post 307 isn't bad reasoning-wise but the opportunism here after TTH, Duppin, and Elyse already commented on it is pretty blatant. Votes Potie in Post 311, it's notable how he never votes Aristo.
   
9. Eggs on the Postie wagon in Post 400 while immediately casting doubt in Post 401. Does both in Post 405.
   
10. Ridiculously convoluted reason to townread me in Post 456. When I point it out in Post 482, never responds.
    
11. Lots of hedging and pussyfooting around Postie-lynch in Post 487. Classic newb-scum. He wants to lynch to go through but is too hesitant to commit. He wants others to push the lynch and to wash his hands off of it so he turn around the next day and push those people.
    
12. Sets up next mislynch on GL in case of Postie townflip in Post 409. Sets up mislynch on me in case of Postie townflip in Post 493. If he truly thought Postie was town, he'd be voting the counterwagon Aristo, not sitting on his butt and setting up the next lynch.

So, compared to his enormous, steaming pile of scumminess sitting before you, you decided that me missing that mod's post where he said the game is 7:2 and re-reading the game so we don't lose to a potential Elyse or TTH scum is so scummy that it absolutely deserves a lynch.

It seems really obvious at this point that BNL has a bulletproof ability or some way to stop the vigkill given his trying to out the target. GL, if you don't understand why he's trying to out the target, the conclusion is that he's probably scum looking for information. I don't want to take any chances here. Lynch the scum and end the game.