Role Call I (Game Over)

[Saudade]

at least this game

[momo]

My thoughts is that planning out the whole game on day 1 and trying to win a 6 day mafia game with 1 game of dayplay instead of 6 days of dayplay is absurdly bad play

big facts

i get ahead of myself sometimes

just gotta wait for the rc flip and go from there

[callforjudgement]

Game status

There have been no previous proposals.
List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(13): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Proposal unavailable

(1): momo

Current proposal

(by momo):

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : momo
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Oversoul
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : Vecna
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Miller
  : apthet
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Neighbour
  : Nero Cain
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(5): momo, Almost50, Iconeum, Saudade, Vecna

Against

(4): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Oversoul

Not voting

(5): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Titus

Iconeum is V/LA this weekend.
To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Monday 15 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-15 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(1): Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(1): Iconeum

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

Iconeum

(1): Oversoul

Nero Cain

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Titus]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

[Saudade]

It's an okay proposal tbh

[Titus]

Just ok?

[Saudade]

yeah im not neighbours with cheeky so its just ok

[Titus]

Gun to my head if mono is scum, Vecna greater than rand scum

[Oversoul]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

Why are you okay with this proposal?

[momo]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

Why are you okay with this proposal?

My thought exactly.

There's no way town endorses their own lynch.

The only possible logic is scum trying to look town.

[Titus]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

Why are you okay with this proposal?

My thought exactly.

There's no way town endorses their own lynch.

The only possible logic is scum trying to look town.

I'm not dead though. I'd get to do my VCA day 3. I'd also be conftown and unkillable.

[Titus]

Am I misunderstanding compulsive quitter?

[momo]

Am I misunderstanding compulsive quitter?

compulsive quitter = lynch

[Titus]

Mod: Mechanics question, am I treestumped or dead if I am the quitter?

[callforjudgement]

Mod: Mechanics question, am I treestumped or dead if I am the quitter?

Dead. It's equivialent to being lynched.

[Titus]

VOTE: Against

Fuck that noisr.

[momo]

The above series of posts from Titus wins the fakest shit I've seen in a while award.

Does she seriously not understand what a lynch is, not understand her position in the game (it's only been 20 something pages, you can read), or is she hoping to stall the vote to cause another lynch?

[Titus]

The above series of posts from Titus wins the fakest shit I've seen in a while award.

Does she seriously not understand what a lynch is, not understand her position in the game (it's only been 20 something pages, you can read), or is she hoping to stall the vote to cause another lynch?

I thought I'd be treestumped. The wiki has a townie can quit to avoid being lynched. Essentially, my role functions as a day 1 veto at best with the new understanding.

If I was treestumped, I get to VCA. Much cooler with that.

[Titus]

Momo what's your Vecna read?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

Yes, I feel you're discrediting my statement with a drug allegation which is fucking disgusting

[Gamma Emerald]

As in, if youre town thinking were all making a mistake here, why wouldnt you want to explain that statement?

The way its coming across now is if you just looked for reasons to give a weak TR to the slot, but after seeing the replace out you understand the slot is likely to die anyway.

Ill make a mental note of this unsatisfactory conclusion.

Honestly Cheeky's string of posting is rather stream of consciousness style so while it looks like shit I think she's town

[momo]

Momo what's your Vecna read?

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

Pops, vecna, and you

As a general guideline for how we go about this:

Id propose that people that usually get killed off early due to great gamesolving skills get the low impact or negative utility roles, to balance effectiveness of scum nightkills. No doubt thisll result in quite some discussion, which is exactly what the doctor ordered.

the main interesting ones that dont appear that interesting is what well do with the passives. Miller, VT, useless person, etc.

we should just turn this into a monarchy and make me the permanent king.

wed ptobably loose badly, but id have fun

I have an off feeling about a50.
His posts really feel to me like hes trying to immitate his towngame, but it feels different from what im used, slightly less genuine

I have an off feeling about a50.
His posts really feel to me like hes trying to immitate his towngame, but it feels different from what im used, slightly less genuine

like, 152 and 153 dont really feel like things hed nornally get irritated over?

159 isnt really something youd make a surprised post about?

Feels a bit like just grasping for stuff to comment on.

Ill see myself out

Found the slot that's gonna be my "pain in the neck" all game. The last game it was Alchemist, so I hope you'll have the same courtesy as him and apologize post game.

For now, carry on..

yikes

I'm getting at that a difficult to read player seems like the best fit for the IC role.

That would be RC (The SSS hydra) then. They're hard to lynch without a hard guilty, yet everybody wants to lynch them from the word go anyway.

If the RC hydra is scum, theyll probably try for a flawless victory anyway, which means day5 is too late of a sorting for the slot.

Bad allocation there id say.

This is a terrible post. Why are you trying to appeal to fear like this? People talk up RC's reputation a lot but suggesting he can protect all of his partners with 100% reliability is flat absurd.

This is not me appealing to fear. Day5 is too late to sort a slot like RC, and if hes town scum will likely jave killes him by then. So IC is wasted there. You can disagree all you like, but the IC is much better used on a person more likely to survive that.

Oversoul - Finally oversoul. He opens by saying "these roles are lame." He also requested roles. On top of this, Oversoul had light buses on both RC and Sadude. Nothing substantial and nothing he needs to commit to, but they are there. This one for Sadude and this one for RC. He is right, RC is active, and he is directing this scum game.

I feel like you are incredibly off base with your reads this game if you're going to base the entire scumteam around me. You are too influenced by your own confirmation bias that I

must

be scum. Please read your own reasoning for me being scum.

"Oversoul thinks these roles are lame" Ok.
"Oversoul then ASKS for one of those lame roles" Ok.
"Therefore, Oversoul must be scum"

The only thing I can conclude from your scumread on me is that your preconceived notions about how scum would play this game are entirely wrong since I am your strongest scumread and I

know

you're wrong about that.

1. Objectively, these roles are lame. I was thinking we would get more basic things like 1-shot vigilante, tracker, roleblocker, macho cop, etc. Instead, we got a motion detector, several mechanic specific day abilities, and a slew of negative utility passive abilities. I came into this game thinking it was going to be role madness. Obviously that is not the case.
2. I chose a role that I felt like I could actually 1) have fun with, and 2) give benefit to the town. I think I am pretty good at needling people to better understand their motivations. I love neighborhoods, masons, etc. It is like a game within the game. I really do not see why scum would objectively want neighborhood when it has no bearing on actual night play (at least as far as Night 1 goes).

You seem to be holding me to

your

standard of play when it comes to these reads and what

you

would do. I very much doubt that you and I play similarly. The answers to my questions about Saudude and RC would be very helpful for me to ascertain their general motivations in this game. If Saudude has done this type of contradictory behavior, then it would help frame is motivations as not scummy. Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy.

Pedit:

No he is not. I thought Almost was Alchemist.

This feels like a very honest town-post to me.

Vecna, do you have experience playing with Gamma Emerald?

Also, I do, but its been really hit or miss for me to read his alignment. I used to be able to catch him fairly easily as scum, but he changed up his game and it has become a lot harder for me to tell his alignment.

And when Titus replaces into a scum-slot it usually becomes apparent really quickly. Regardless, I agreed with most of Momo's posts on RC. Its been so long since I saw an RC towngame that I probably dont even remember what that looks like though.

All of these posts struck as me town because of context (originality), nuance, and shifting but well maintained opinions (thought process seems reasonable)

Idk vecna but given that he has been around for a few years, I’m assuming that he wouldn’t be afraid to bus as scum. So him taking against the grain reads feels town.

Also most ppl, as scum, put more thought into posts then as town. Much less open. This leaks into their posts. The tone feels very genuine and I like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

not like its a new thought momo, but yeah it does look like 3/4 in RC/Hh/CT/GE

Ok, keep hating me for no fucking reason lol

[Titus]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

Yes, I feel you're discrediting my statement with a drug allegation which is fucking disgusting

Gemma's town. I had an instance with ETL like this.

[Gamma Emerald]

What did my hydra partner even do that was so scummy? :thonk:
At the moment I think the inventor should go to ice
Sau gets the Glad
Almost gets the king or IC

Momo gets miller
Gamma gets inactive
Cheeky gets timid

Why the fuck do I get inactive