Mini 2087 - Surprise Mafia - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I’m responsible for Creature playing like an open wolf, how exactly?

You don"l't know how to read players at all

You should see if they have TMI or not rather than lynching the weakest of them.

You were playing like an open wolf. You claimed to connect to Voyc “ out of spite”, called obvtown me, “confiscum” when CK was hard pushing me.

And yes, I thought both Voyc and your predecessor PM, did exactly that, so I have no clue what you’re talking about here.

Dude, it was so obvious scum wouldn't play like that. If you can't foresee how scum will play this actually happens.

No it wasn’t obvious. You don’t claim to connect to another player “out of spite”. Wtf did you even mean by that? Like I said, I thought both your predecessor and Voyc had TMI’d events and you voted us right out of the gate on D3 without any explanation. I thought you and CK had coordinated that in scumchat. The fact that I initially tr you, should not have made you sr me. You lockscum reading me, made it very easy for A50 to talk me into switching my read on you.

[Creature]

You assumed scum were all bad. You failed to recognize A50 and Dunn weren't out of scum range.

That cost you Gameshow, that cost you this game.

I admit I was naive this game, but you're acting as if you were right and Voyc and I were just acting like scum.

You set your standards to allow TMI'd scum to enter your town core and make it almost insurmountarble for the clueless town. This is where you need to recalibrate.

[Menalque]

I don't think the game was that scum sided tbh, town just barely played

[Nancy Drew 39]

You assumed scum were all bad. You failed to recognize A50 and Dunn weren't out of scum range.

That cost you Gameshow, that cost you this game.

I admit I was naive this game, but you're acting as if you were right and Voyc and I were just acting like scum.

You set your standards to allow TMI'd scum to enter your town core and make it almost insurmountarble for the clueless town. This is where you need to recalibrate.

You could have played a lot closer to your obvtown meta like in UtS for example. That would have made me question my solve not only on your slot but Voyc’s as well. Your play to me was uberwolfy but sure, without the TMI events’ part, I would have probably been a lot more open. I obviously overfocused on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think the game was that scum sided tbh, town just barely played

It was because it allowed scum to manipulate events the day before, like you setting up Archfield to be the nightlynch for example. I thought you were scummy for hardpushing our slot and when Creature came in and straight up voted us right out of the gate without any reasonable explanation, I concluded that you had told told him to do that in scumchat.

[Menalque]

I wasn't necessarily planning on arc being the nightlynch there tho, I was just trying to get a TR for getting some debate going -- it didn't matter to me if I got SR for it or Arc did bc I thought I'd have the rest of D1 to turn that around. I still think the lolhammer should have been lynched there, but I'll grant that it was weirdly towny in this game due to the fact that it made my push on arc look a lot worse than it otherwise would have.

Also, I don't think I really hardpushed your slot? Pushed, sure, but I wouldn't say that's hardpushing from me.

I think you should definitely have revised your creature SR if you thought he was following my lead on our scum strat, esp after he just caught me as scum in Pokemon Ruby.

[chennisden]

menalque stop fucking rolling scum

[Menalque]

Can’t stop won’t stop

[callforjudgement]

Why not no-lynch in mylo? All the events were townsided, and Necroreveal in particular would have made a mislynch D5 rather less likely.

[Omochao]

what lunatic voted to kill me while i was playing to my scum meta!!!

[Dunnstral]

Why not no-lynch in mylo? All the events were townsided, and Necroreveal in particular would have made a mislynch D5 rather less likely.

Future events may block kills/add additional kills

Town did not know the event was Necro, and the past 3 events were a kill then 2 blocks

[Dunnstral]

And the game wasn't scumsided, There was a lot of information to be gained from the events that town only gave a courtesy effort to trying to figure out - The day 2 hammer even happened before everybody claimed their night 1 targets, and before anyone could come forth and speculate "I think mafia would say they targeted ____" and the like

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wasn't necessarily planning on arc being the nightlynch there tho, I was just trying to get a TR for getting some debate going -- it didn't matter to me if I got SR for it or Arc did bc I thought I'd have the rest of D1 to turn that around. I still think the lolhammer should have been lynched there, but I'll grant that it was weirdly towny in this game due to the fact that it made my push on arc look a lot worse than it otherwise would have.

Also, I don't think I really hardpushed your slot? Pushed, sure, but I wouldn't say that's hardpushing from me.

I think you should definitely have revised your creature SR if you thought he was following my lead on our scum strat, esp after he just caught me as scum in Pokemon Ruby.

1) I wasn’t following that game.

2) He was acting wolfy.

3) A50

[chennisden]

And the game wasn't scumsided, There was a lot of information to be gained from the events that town only gave a courtesy effort to trying to figure out - The day 2 hammer even happened before everybody claimed their night 1 targets, and before anyone could come forth and speculate "I think mafia would say they targeted ____" and the like

agreed

[Voyc]

And Voyc, why did you connect to Dunn, your alleged #1 sr?

I only kinda concreted my reads by the last day, so I was still ambivalent about Dunn when I connected to him, and I legit did so bc of the playerlist thing anyway

[Voyc]

Reads other than you/Sky
Aka order of scummiest by Creature --> Dunn --> A50

[Nancy Drew 39]

Reads other than you/Sky
Aka order of scummiest by Creature --> Dunn --> A50

You had two right. Next time I have the thought, “I don’t want X to slip by”, I’ll consider it might mean I’m wrong. If it weren’t for the surprise mechanic, we probably would have mislynched Creature but we would have still wound up with the same result.:/. I could say, I would have preferred we lynch Creature over you but we still would have lost.

That’s the problem here, it would have been difficult getting a lynch on Dunn/A50 over Creature, because he was the most obvious scummiest slot by play.

Creature is very wrong about my reads accuracy in general but he doesn’t seem to get that you should at least try to look townie.

[Jingle]

I don't think the game was that scum sided tbh, town just barely played

With more information than most in the thread, I’d say the setup would be slightly but not overly townsided if the game were populated by mostly mechanical players.

[Jingle]

Kinda disappointed you guys didn’t get through all the event, tbh. A lot of effort went into figuring out the orders for them.

I’m looking forward to see more games like this in the future. If BNL gets enough of a pool of events going he can even start reusing 1 or 2 per game without risking too much strategizing.

[singletonking]

Kinda disappointed you guys didn’t get through all the event, tbh. A lot of effort went into figuring out the orders for them.

I’m looking forward to see more games like this in the future. If BNL gets enough of a pool of events going he can even start reusing 1 or 2 per game without risking too much strategizing.

Yeah. The order was initially Only Town Vote -> Friendship is Magic -> Necroreveal -> Empower -> Last two but I had to shift things around because having any protective event after Necroreveal was going to be awful to play

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m sorry Chick, after thinking about it long and hard, I guess I do owe you a mea culpa. I really do need to stop taking everything so personally. Any tips you can offer, would be greatly appreciated.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Whoops sorry, my bad. I meant to post this in VG. Plz disregard.

[Nancy Drew 39]

*note to self*. Don’t post while inebriated

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[MariaR]