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In post 624, Iconeum wrote:Do you think I have been trying to sort townreads and scumreads (albeit faked or not)?

I think you're also on the same path here.

You have your set townblock and scum reads and your line of questioning actually doesn't switch that much as it more or less confirms your own beliefs.

So from my observation (admittedly you have rightfully called me out for being lazy as I don't tend to wall or do post by post and actually have these as the back up to my claims, as right now I'm trying to feel mostly by gut), you aren't really engaging them much less confirming your own reads.

I mean I do realize that my play seems as if I'm not pushing anything but I guess it's just a departure from 2016 DP to 2020 DP as I used to do huge wall PbP analysis as either alignment and now just play lazily and base everything on gut

Not really convincing I know but my view of how to play the game has changed and is quite different from site meta

Only saying this because my lazy play is being misconstrued (either in good or bad faith) as scum play when TBH it should really be NAI.

So yeah, these are gut reads and take them or leave them as you will

I don't think i've called you or your play lazy?

In post 526, Iconeum wrote:

In post 493, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 489, OkaPoka wrote:you don't think ico's AtE is genuine? @drpepper

No.

I don't think AtE is Towny either

I literally think ur scum here. You have expressed several scumreads this game so far, and you have not bothered to sort a single one of them. You just go 'this is scum, and then vote there'. No interaction to further sort. No intention to double-check for errors.

You just vote and tunnel. It's scum behaviour.

This is kind of an implication that it's lazy noh?

I mean I think it's lazy

You can say it's scum but it's right there

In post 626, DoctorPepper wrote:You have your set townblock and scum reads and your line of questioning actually doesn't switch that much as it more or less confirms your own beliefs.

So you don't think i've been trying to sort, and that I just voted and be done with it?

In post 629, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 526, Iconeum wrote:

In post 493, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 489, OkaPoka wrote:you don't think ico's AtE is genuine? @drpepper

No.

I don't think AtE is Towny either

I literally think ur scum here. You have expressed several scumreads this game so far, and you have not bothered to sort a single one of them. You just go 'this is scum, and then vote there'. No interaction to further sort. No intention to double-check for errors.

You just vote and tunnel. It's scum behaviour.

This is kind of an implication that it's lazy noh?

I mean I think it's lazy

You can say it's scum but it's right there

Nah, it's definitely not calling you lazy. I didn't scumread you because I thought you were being lazy. Rather that you intentionally were not sorting town and scumreads, which is a scumtell.

In post 630, Iconeum wrote:

In post 626, DoctorPepper wrote:You have your set townblock and scum reads and your line of questioning actually doesn't switch that much as it more or less confirms your own beliefs.

So you don't think i've been trying to sort, and that I just voted and be done with it?

I mean after a quick glance of your ISO, aside from meta reads you have just had your initial reads, you have been using your line of posting more to convince yourself or this town of your scum reads rather than sorting them

Which is like me with extra steps is what I'm saying

Like the engagement isn't there to prove or disprove your claims, it is there to validate what you are already thinking.

My issues with that is that if that's what I'm doing (and the behavior you are accusing me of as scummy), then it's coming from a familliar place

In post 631, Iconeum wrote:

In post 629, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 526, Iconeum wrote:

In post 493, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 489, OkaPoka wrote:you don't think ico's AtE is genuine? @drpepper

No.

I don't think AtE is Towny either

I literally think ur scum here. You have expressed several scumreads this game so far, and you have not bothered to sort a single one of them. You just go 'this is scum, and then vote there'. No interaction to further sort. No intention to double-check for errors.

You just vote and tunnel. It's scum behaviour.

This is kind of an implication that it's lazy noh?

I mean I think it's lazy

You can say it's scum but it's right there

Nah, it's definitely not calling you lazy. I didn't scumread you because I thought you were being lazy. Rather that you intentionally were not sorting town and scumreads, which is a scumtell.

At best that's NAI don't you think? Or at least indicative of playstyle and not of scummy behavior?

In post 633, DoctorPepper wrote:At best that's NAI don't you think? Or at least indicative of playstyle and not of scummy behavior?

no i think it's a scumtell

Because you're assuming there's one way to play town and that's to constantly push reads in a way you're familliar with

Hell, I'd play like this as either alignment and it's kind of an active effort because I'm acknowledging my meta before this was really shit

In post 632, DoctorPepper wrote:I mean after a quick glance of your ISO, aside from meta reads you have just had your initial reads, you have been using your line of posting more to convince yourself or this town of your scum reads rather than sorting themWhich is like me with extra steps is what I'm sayingLike the engagement isn't there to prove or disprove your claims, it is there to validate what you are already thinking. My issues with that is that if that's what I'm doing (and the behavior you are accusing me of as scummy), then it's coming from a familliar place

that's a bit of a misrep, no?

I've already said that my scumread on you has dropped down, while you were my Numero Uno scumread before. I came back from hard scumreading Kanna (a day later, when the emotions from directly engaging weren't there), and i've been trying to sort in kanna/aldus to see what's going on there.

And right now I'm less sure about Aldus, because of a specific post he made.

So no, I don't agree that I'm holding on to my initial reads.

In post 635, DoctorPepper wrote:Because you're assuming there's one way to play town and that's to constantly push reads in a way you're familliar with

Hell, I'd play like this as either alignment and it's kind of an active effort because I'm acknowledging my meta before this was really shit

I think it's fair to assume most players play a certain way as town, and that it's easy/natural to scumread others for having a different style. I'm not oblivious to this.

In post 609, OkaPoka wrote:actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

i've definitely ignored it

Pressuring Aldus has had a strange effect: I think his most recent posts have actually been pretty townie in both tone and content. His putting me on L-1 and explanations and follow up there still feel like scum, but being pressured and then posting like this makes me hesitate.

VOTE: QQ

guide me to victory, senpoka

In post 636, Iconeum wrote:

In post 632, DoctorPepper wrote:I mean after a quick glance of your ISO, aside from meta reads you have just had your initial reads, you have been using your line of posting more to convince yourself or this town of your scum reads rather than sorting themWhich is like me with extra steps is what I'm sayingLike the engagement isn't there to prove or disprove your claims, it is there to validate what you are already thinking. My issues with that is that if that's what I'm doing (and the behavior you are accusing me of as scummy), then it's coming from a familliar place

that's a bit of a misrep, no?

I've already said that my scumread on you has dropped down, while you were my Numero Uno scumread before. I came back from hard scumreading Kanna (a day later, when the emotions from directly engaging weren't there), and i've been trying to sort in kanna/aldus to see what's going on there.

And right now I'm less sure about Aldus, because of a specific post he made.

So no, I don't agree that I'm holding on to my initial reads.

I'm probably blind for not seeing your drop on me or mistaking your engagement for a tunnel because the metadiscussion this game had has you as a player prone to tunneling.

I can claim that it seems that you are only flexible on your scum reads but your town bloc remains constant.

In post 641, DoctorPepper wrote:the metadiscussion this game had has you as a player prone to tunneling.

yes

a player

not scum

not town

a player

ico r u pocketing me

don't be silly

this game makes my head hurt and i'm lowkey wishing i rolled scum to not have to figure it out

In post 582, DoctorPepper wrote:Plus if I was scum shouldn't I have hammered Aldus right now to save my ass from being lynched today?

(one) he wasn't even on L-1 (two) this is a horrible argument

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In post 600, Alduskkel wrote:I might also lurk a bit more if I feel posting might disrupt the game going in a way I want it to, although because my activity levels also depend on IRL stuff, it'd probably be impossible to tell from the outside what lurking is scumlurking and what isn't.

and do you hide your online status more often as scum or as town?

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In post 609, OkaPoka wrote:actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

i am

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In post 636, Iconeum wrote:And right now I'm less sure about Aldus, because of a specific post he made.

which one?

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what irks me about drpepper is that he's excusing his play by saying "i used to do walls and post-by-post but now i don't do that anymore and that's what's giving the effect" but like, never in my games have i done PbP or walls (i'm trying to do them this game to maybe get away from my spamposting meta but never did them before) and yet i never got accused of "not pushing my reads" so i don't think walls/PbP are necessary for that

In post 645, Datisi wrote:which one?

572

I'm not really excusing my play so to say I'm just pointing out that it's indicative of me having a lazy playstyle as opposed to my old one. And it should be NAI because I'd do the same regardless of alignment.

In post 647, DoctorPepper wrote:And it should be NAI because I'd do the same regardless of alignment.

If you use that as a means of defending yourself, why are you not taking my tunneling as NAI into account but rather as a means to scumread me?

In post 648, Iconeum wrote:

In post 647, DoctorPepper wrote:And it should be NAI because I'd do the same regardless of alignment.

If you use that as a means of defending yourself, why are you not taking my tunneling as NAI into account but rather as a means to scumread me?

Not as simple as that

Yes, I did not your tendency to tunnel as a player, which we have both conceded (not as town, not as scum, as a player)

I was trying see that you do have a death tunnel on your scum reads and you were trying to correct me that by engaging us you change your reads on them like Me or Aldus, but I still think we are firmly there because you engage us but your town bloc is untouched