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All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.

VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss

Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?

Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.

I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.

Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town

link to VC on this page

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That's L-1 on pine BTW

Whoever sees this first lemme know I wanna bounce some ideas

Blahhhhhh i guess I'll go to sleep. Whoever posts before I'm on next needs to tell me why pine is or isn't scum. Extra points if it's the Hydra.

In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

IKS what did I just say

That you are sleepy.

But tell me about pine. What tipped you off to them being scum?

Also just generally, how confident are you in the conjecture that there's only 2-3 scum?

Pine is scum because he has 4 knowledge, knowledge makes it easier to activate labs, 2 labs were activated and only scum can activate labs. Also, people don't townread him and since our friends ended day 1 quickly, we are still in late RVS. At least where it comes to non-mechanical stuff.

Scum don't have night kill. Actually, town have more night actions than scum, so night phase is somewhat as good for town as scum. Which means that there are 3-4 scum. My theory is 3 scum + traitor/ 3p or 4 scum.

In post 635, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Pine is scum because he has 4 knowledge, knowledge makes it easier to activate labs, 2 labs were activated and only scum can activate labs. Also, people don't townread him and since our friends ended day 1 quickly, we are still in late RVS. At least where it comes to non-mechanical stuff.

What makes him better than gamma in this situation then?

I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Scum don't have night kill. Actually, town have more night actions than scum, so night phase is somewhat as good for town as scum. Which means that there are 3-4 scum. My theory is 3 scum + traitor/ 3p or 4 scum.

How do you feel about cmod?

Note: this game had nightstart
Gamma recieved knowledge today. Scum decreased knowledge of Nosferatu (he claimed), so if Nos is town, Gamma had to visit library. If Nos is town, he will die soon, so it is self resolving. Cmod went exploring and recieved item -> didn't activate lab. Also, he claimed ability to be able to raise 1 stat. I scum could make a better use of that ability that to claim.
what did you do n0?

Gamma, nor cmod aren't conf town, but they are mechanically townleans and should be lynched with lowered priority.

In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 592, Ydrasse wrote:gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?

In post 615, Fun and Games wrote:also knowing what we now know about the scum having a room-blocking ability - I think it is likely that the first lab remained inactivated after N1 because scum used their roomblocker to keep out anyone who may have tried to destroy the lab - if this is true and nobody reported it, that kind of implies nobody tried to destroy the lab? which is kind of funny in some ways.

Explicitly they did not. I attempted and failed to destroy the lab N0, and claimed as such in the thread.

@JF: Pine is neither very towny nor scummy by play. He's been absent, as is normal for Pine. Gamma's argument that scum needed an increased knowledge to consistently activate Labs and thus Pine is scum is interesting, but that's really not a slam dunk scumcase, and the wagon speed and the characterization of Pine as a consensus scumread are both interesting. Does anyone actually scumread Pine based on something that isn't Gamma's case?

I do. But scum are probably definitely on this wagon and it moved really fast, hence the questions

I'm tinfoiling that GE is scum atm, FWIW.

I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not. Additionally, if town has a method of throwing someone at a lab every night with no real drawbacks, the lab wincon becomes increasingly difficult for scum.

GE should be largely self resolving though. If he's town scum can't afford to leave him around to potentially blow up a lab and get pseudoconftown status, so they're going to have to prioritize taking him out.

Was anyone other than me against coordinating our night actions onto specific rooms? I seem to remember someone pushing for a preemptive massclaim of action targets and I want to go back to that, but don't have time to hunt it down atm.

In post 641, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I do. But scum are probably definitely on this wagon and it moved really fast, hence the questions

I'd assumed as such, and am willing to wait to hear your reason until you get your responses. I was more interested in the rest of the players, tbh.

Bungle what you thinking bout Ally B? Skeeves me out, that one

In post 631, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:

In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?

In post 642, Bingle wrote:I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.

Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?

If Pine flips town, Gamma should be scum, as it fits into how scum would strategically use their knowledge modifier N0 and N1. But Pine hasn't done anything day 2 that makes me think that he's town or that he will even be useful to gamesolving later on.

Is there a vote you'd rather I made?

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