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In post 620, Akarin wrote:Nic, who are your top 4-5 town reads? Maybe approach it from the PoE angle.

This also works.

Give me something I can work with here. Show me you have reads, don’t tell me you do.

In post 619, Akarin wrote:Math, I just meant that I think tunneling town is a simpler and more likely explanation.

Towns have been known to tunnel from time to time.

I am aware of that and I myself am prone to it.

That’s why I am listening to you who I townread and am trying to come up with something that mutually works.

In post 620, Akarin wrote:Nic, who are your top 4-5 town reads? Maybe approach it from the PoE angle.

Town: You, SKYE
probably town: Thomas
really weak townread: TGP

I don't read Gypyx as town, but I don't know how to sort them. Maybe look at his behavior around the original deadline, but I don't expect to gain much from pressure as we found out before.

Math and Mastina if I'm being careful I view as neutral.

VOTE: Gypyx

Seems we agree here. I do not read them as town either. Akarin do you?

In post 629, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Gypyx

Seems we agree here. I do not read them as town either. Akarin do you?

Does that just come from PoE?

In post 630, NicCage wrote:

In post 629, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Gypyx

Seems we agree here. I do not read them as town either. Akarin do you?

Does that just come from PoE?

Somewhat. G’s play is horrible and I read them as scum almost no matter what.

It’s a matter of which scum. I read you as 3P who is pushing Dunn for your wincon currently, and if that read is true then G would also be 3P.

But if I am wrong and you are town, G could still be 3P or group scum.

I do, but I'm torn between worrying I'm putting too much stock in 1 thing and thinking that putting a lot of stock in 1 weird thing can be effective.

Gypyx's play has been downright bizarre as either alignment I think, and that makes me want to be cautious. The behavior around voting Dunn near the deadline rubs me the wrong way but I do not understand why Scum goes after me with that scumslip argument just as I'm starting a wagon on Dunn when it was previously looking to be Gypyx vs. DT for the Dastardly Deed.

I think obviously Gypyx expected the scumslip argument to be more effective than it was, but I can't see the scum motive for jumping on it like that given the state of the game.

Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

My thoughts are Mastina, Nic, and G are all 3Ps.
That’s why Nic despite being told we weren’t eliminating Dunn didn’t immediately follow through on his promise and vote Mastina. He had no intention to. The earlier bit about masonry was shade, especially how Mastina misrepped what I said.

I just am trying to figure out why to see if I am right.

There is a tiny slim chance Mastina is town but that requires a lot of coincidences.

If I am right and this one is really moon logic, Dunn is also 3P but against Nic’s win con and he butchered the informed claim. But this world requires Nic 3P/ scum so I wouldn’t push it unless Nic flips 3P/scum

In post 622, MathBlade wrote:

In post 621, NicCage wrote:

In post 618, MathBlade wrote:If Nic hunts I have no problem backing off and reevaluating.

What do you see as the difference between this standard you are applying to me, and the one I was applying to Dunn?

I see it as more of an exploration.

You said you’re not rereading fine. But you’re not taking what you’ve already read and trying to figure out more. It seems like it’s more of a strategy to eliminate Dunn versus a read. You’re saying you don’t “know” what to do. If you’re town, no town knows what to do. We just ask questions and try to figure it out.

I want to see you doing your best to figure out who is scum with Dunn if you’re not willing to reevaluate that read.

What I am asking is, what is the difference between threatening me with elimination if I don't scumhunt, and my constant poking into Dunn's motivations throughout the game? Yes I know you do not have the PT. But Dunn has corroborated the vast majority of it.

Are you suggesting that you really don't mean to follow through with voting me if I absolutely refuse to do anything?

In post 636, NicCage wrote:

In post 622, MathBlade wrote:

In post 621, NicCage wrote:

In post 618, MathBlade wrote:If Nic hunts I have no problem backing off and reevaluating.

What do you see as the difference between this standard you are applying to me, and the one I was applying to Dunn?

I see it as more of an exploration.

You said you’re not rereading fine. But you’re not taking what you’ve already read and trying to figure out more. It seems like it’s more of a strategy to eliminate Dunn versus a read. You’re saying you don’t “know” what to do. If you’re town, no town knows what to do. We just ask questions and try to figure it out.

I want to see you doing your best to figure out who is scum with Dunn if you’re not willing to reevaluate that read.

What I am asking is, what is the difference between threatening me with elimination if I don't scumhunt, and my constant poking into Dunn's motivations throughout the game? Yes I know you do not have the PT. But Dunn has corroborated the vast majority of it.

Are you suggesting that you really don't mean to follow through with voting me if I absolutely refuse to do anything?

The opposite. If you don’t hunt, my point is proven for me that you’re pushing Dunn as a strategy and not as a read and with that gone you don’t know what to do. I won’t have to push you as my case makes itself. I would still vote you but you can’t be town if you don’t hunt. If you refuse to pretend to be town, I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt you are. Right now I am. That can change if you don’t hunt.

In post 633, MathBlade wrote:Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

I don't see how launching such a poor argument like Gypyx did is 3p indicative.

In post 638, NicCage wrote:

In post 633, MathBlade wrote:Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

I don't see how launching such a poor argument like Gypyx did is 3p indicative.

It’s PoE.

If it’s not a town argument, and not a scum argument, then it’s a 3P by default. His play doesn’t feel scum oriented except with maybe one or two people, but at the same time it doesn’t feel town.

In post 637, MathBlade wrote:The opposite. If you don’t hunt, my point is proven for me that you’re pushing Dunn as a strategy and not as a read and with that gone you don’t know what to do. I won’t have to push you as my case makes itself. I would still vote you but you can’t be town if you don’t hunt. If you refuse to pretend to be town, I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt you are. Right now I am. That can change if you don’t hunt.

Can you put into your own words the question you think I am asking you right now?

In post 633, MathBlade wrote:Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

My thoughts are Mastina, Nic, and G are all 3Ps.

The thing is, I can't imagine what 3P wincon makes any sense for his pushing me at that time and doubling down on it after Tris defended me. That whole segment of game just doesn't seem like a scum plan to me no matter how I look at it.

Here's the start of what I'm talking about.

In post 640, NicCage wrote:

In post 637, MathBlade wrote:The opposite. If you don’t hunt, my point is proven for me that you’re pushing Dunn as a strategy and not as a read and with that gone you don’t know what to do. I won’t have to push you as my case makes itself. I would still vote you but you can’t be town if you don’t hunt. If you refuse to pretend to be town, I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt you are. Right now I am. That can change if you don’t hunt.

Can you put into your own words the question you think I am asking you right now?

What the fuck do I do to convince Math I am hunting?

I don't think this is productive, let's talk about Gypyx, Mastina, and TGP.

In post 639, MathBlade wrote:

In post 638, NicCage wrote:

In post 633, MathBlade wrote:Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

I don't see how launching such a poor argument like Gypyx did is 3p indicative.

It’s PoE.

If it’s not a town argument, and not a scum argument, then it’s a 3P by default. His play doesn’t feel scum oriented except with maybe one or two people, but at the same time it doesn’t feel town.

It's a bad argument, a really bad one. An obviously miscalculated argument, unless you believe he is being bizarre on purpose. It's a mistake. You think it is not a scum or town mistake?

I do not trust Math

In post 641, Akarin wrote:

In post 633, MathBlade wrote:Bizarre as either alignment generally means 3P if it’s an option.

My thoughts are Mastina, Nic, and G are all 3Ps.

The thing is, I can't imagine what 3P wincon makes any sense for his pushing me at that time and doubling down on it after Tris defended me. That whole segment of game just doesn't seem like a scum plan to me no matter how I look at it.

Here's the start of what I'm talking about.

Will read that on my lunch break.

And regards to not being productive, I agree. I am merely answering the questions I was asked by Nic. Notice I do not ask any back. I am trying to work with you to chance the subject. This does not happen if Nic continues this.

In post 642, MathBlade wrote:

In post 640, NicCage wrote:

In post 637, MathBlade wrote:The opposite. If you don’t hunt, my point is proven for me that you’re pushing Dunn as a strategy and not as a read and with that gone you don’t know what to do. I won’t have to push you as my case makes itself. I would still vote you but you can’t be town if you don’t hunt. If you refuse to pretend to be town, I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt you are. Right now I am. That can change if you don’t hunt.

Can you put into your own words the question you think I am asking you right now?

What the fuck do I do to convince Math I am hunting?

No. Please be charitable to me. I'm not asking what hidden intentions are behind my question. I don't think you are understanding what I am getting at and I want you to at least grasp my point, even if you disagree with it.

In post 647, NicCage wrote:

In post 642, MathBlade wrote:

In post 640, NicCage wrote:

In post 637, MathBlade wrote:The opposite. If you don’t hunt, my point is proven for me that you’re pushing Dunn as a strategy and not as a read and with that gone you don’t know what to do. I won’t have to push you as my case makes itself. I would still vote you but you can’t be town if you don’t hunt. If you refuse to pretend to be town, I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt you are. Right now I am. That can change if you don’t hunt.

Can you put into your own words the question you think I am asking you right now?

What the fuck do I do to convince Math I am hunting?

No. Please be charitable to me. I'm not asking what hidden intentions are behind my question. I don't think you are understanding what I am getting at and I want you to at least grasp my point, even if you disagree with it.

That’s not the hidden intentions. I am taking your question literally. You’re asking me what the difference is between you pushing Dunn and now that you can’t how do you prove yourself town. What do you need to do so I see it? That’s in my opinion what you’re literally asking me and imho not a town mindset. Town just hunts. Scum or 3P care about perception.

Anyone who has played with me knows I am extremely literal.

I don’t do the hidden meanings crap and it creates problems sometimes.

I really would like to move on and read A’s argument over lunch.

Do you wish to continue this questioning?