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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:55 pm
by VP Baltar
Dunn, how do you feel about andres?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:15 pm
by RLotus
In post 624, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 623, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 617, RLotus wrote:
In post 612, VP Baltar wrote:Since we are slowly grinding to a standstill here without much original line of thought, I propose we just run Dunn to L-1 and force a claim.
Such a lazy wagon, not interested personally
ur mom is a lazy wagon
But seriously, you don't think there is any way Italiano is town here? My gut still pings town there given he is just putting his foot in his mouth constantly
That's a fair interpretation. I see it as scum flailing. Admittedly, I am seeing red with Italiano, though it's not often I have this confidence on a scum read this early, so I really do think I'm right here. I'm willing to look like a fool if I'm wrong.

Another thing I'm noticing with Italiano is that he keeps saying things like "people are reading everything I say as scummy" and "people aren't giving me a chance", yet if I'm not mistaken I'm the only one that's really latching onto him. Most others show some kind of uncertainty about his alignment. It feels off to me, like his attitude isn't matching what is happening in the thread.

About Dunn, I find it hard to have a good read on him at this point. You call him scum for lurking even though he does it as town too, that's why I say it is lazy. I'd like to give him time to show his towniness personally. I know you said you did that in a previous game and got burned by him but yea.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:24 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 625, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn, how do you feel about andres?
More towny than not, I don't want him elimmed but it was a thought I had in regards to my wagon

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:25 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I know you said you did that in a previous game and got burned by him but yea.
What game was this that I 'burned' vp baltar?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:35 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 628, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I know you said you did that in a previous game and got burned by him but yea.
What game was this that I 'burned' vp baltar?
I think he's confused. I was saying Dunn lurked as scum (to great effect actually) when we were scum together. People gave him a pass in that game, including for a lolhammer D1.

I'm going to accept it as truth that Dunn also lurks as town, but I do think he has sort of been a bit coy about actually engaging with this game.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:36 pm
by RLotus
In post 629, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 628, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I know you said you did that in a previous game and got burned by him but yea.
What game was this that I 'burned' vp baltar?
I think he's confused. I was saying Dunn lurked as scum (to great effect actually) when we were scum together. People gave him a pass in that game, including for a lolhammer D1.

I'm going to accept it as truth that Dunn also lurks as town, but I do think he has sort of been a bit coy about actually engaging with this game.
Yes that's what I meant

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:57 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I'm willing to look like a fool if I'm wrong.
So you gonna change your name or your profile pic?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:00 pm
by RLotus
In post 631, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I'm willing to look like a fool if I'm wrong.
So you gonna change your name or your profile pic?
Nope

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:26 pm
by ItalianoVD
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:23 pm
by ItalianoVD
What’s stopping you from eliminating me? If you’re that confident push it through.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:27 pm
by Reformed Toxic Player
hey im home - settling in then getting to work >:)

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:27 pm
by Reformed Toxic Player
In post 631, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 626, RLotus wrote:I'm willing to look like a fool if I'm wrong.
So you gonna change your name or your profile pic?
Don't imply OGI please. You know that's against the rules.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:33 pm
by RLotus
In post 634, ItalianoVD wrote:What’s stopping you from eliminating me? If you’re that confident push it through.
Unfortunately I only have one vote

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:23 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 636, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Don't imply OGI please. You know that's against the rules.
Seems I’m breaking rules every game I play. What is OGI?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:25 pm
by ItalianoVD
I know you only have one vote, but if you’re confident I’ll flip red as then push it through.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:25 pm
by midwaybear
Hello, sorry about my absence.

- Sounds good
- I don't think I would interpret this the same way, but I think this comment is ultimately NAI. Italiano could be annoyed town here as well.
In post 577, ItalianoVD wrote:Sorry midway as much as you’ve looked like town, you’ve replaced into a slot that I feel/felt is scum.
I'm not too familar with Lunar's specific meta, but I am familar with the user's overall meta. So I am relatively sure that troll posts are not too alignment indicative for Lunar. I do understand why you would still be suspicious of me if you found Lunar scummy, but I don't think your reasons are too great (for scumreading my predecessor).

I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game. I don't know what this means for his alignment, but it's an observation. Would like to know what others think of this.

Not really a fan of Andres arguing that Testa was his
second
strongest townread. That seems like a weird point to focus on. Probably going to tentatively townread VPB as well for echoing a lot of my thoughts?

- It seems like RLotus and I view Italiano's play this game differently. I actually do see some "bite", but I don't know if it is necessarily town indicative for him (the promises to obvtown, calling out people, ...).

On a somewhat related note, I did recently mod a game where Italiano was jumped on early on. I don't really have any insights on his play because I think my perspective as a moderator unconsciously introduces bias. But this is a factor in my Italiano read. However, GTH, I would put him closer to the scum end than the town end, even with that in mind.
In post 603, ItalianoVD wrote:when I get scumread for something stupid or faulty I admit it throws me off and my goal is to disprove that nonsense, which in effect makes me look scummier
Ehhh.

My take on Dunn is that we should let him be sorted over the night. He is probably an =rand elim in my eyes right now.
In post 629, VP Baltar wrote:I think he's confused. I was saying Dunn lurked as scum (to great effect actually) when we were scum together. People gave him a pass in that game, including for a lolhammer D1.
Haha I remember this game.

I'm townreading VPB, RTP, and Elements.
I could elim Andres, Italiano, and Harumi. Could basically compromise on anyone else with a decent enough case.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:25 pm
by midwaybear
In post 638, ItalianoVD wrote:Seems I’m breaking rules every game I play. What is OGI?
Out of game influence (I think).

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:26 pm
by Reformed Toxic Player
Subject: Forum Rules and Guidelines
mith wrote:
Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using
knowledge
from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:26 pm
by Reformed Toxic Player
also im here and ready to roll - lets go

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:26 pm
by ItalianoVD
Unless you agree to a death pact.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:28 pm
by ItalianoVD
I didn’t do that, did I? Lotus said he’s willing to look like a fool and I offered that he change his name or profile pic into something foolish. If that’s what that was then my bad, wasn’t my intention.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:31 pm
by RLotus
In post 645, ItalianoVD wrote:I didn’t do that, did I? Lotus said he’s willing to look like a fool and I offered that he change his name or profile pic into something foolish. If that’s what that was then my bad, wasn’t my intention.
Oh lol I thought you were trying to make a bet also

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:31 pm
by midwaybear
In post 643, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:also im here and ready to roll - lets go
I'm about to head out :(

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:33 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 640, midwaybear wrote:I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.
I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:42 pm
by Reformed Toxic Player
In post 648, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 640, midwaybear wrote:I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.
I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.
whats been annoying you?