Mini 623- Science Mafia- Over!

[Awesome Pants]

hit = hint

[Knight of Cydonia]

Revealing my targets could kinda hit at my role so I'm hesitant to do so. What do you think you'll gain from me doing so?

Umm... a lot? Like, we could cross-reference your targets to see if they can confirm you *whatever*ing them, for starters. Of course, teh handy position you find yourself in, with most of teh night actions already claimed, is that you could easily falsify those claims, and no-one would know.

[imaginality]

Ku_F, a question:

Claus said he was a double voter today. So I'm assuming Hypatia would have known if she was a double voter yesterday.

targetted hypatia n1 and claus n2 as i felt they were the most pro-town at those points in the game

As Hypatia's replacement, can you confirm whether or not Hypatia got given a double vote for day 2? She didn't mention it in her posts and didn't vote that day.

Ask the mod if necessary - if Hypatia got told she was a double voter, I assume there's no reason the mod wouldn't tell you so, as her replacement.

Seems pretty unlikely dahill1 would lie about an easily-checkable power like that, but we might as well check it out anyhow and confirm it rather than take it for granted.

[Ku_F]

Yes, she did have a double vote. When I got my role PM, it was already stated. I was confused and asked the mod, if I still had it, but it was only for one day. That's why Dahill1 is telling the truth. If he wasn't I would have attacked him already.

But I want Claus to speak. He's present at the site sometimes, but doesn't post here.

At this moment KoC has said some scummy things, but then you came AP. You're hiding things, attack KoC immediatly at your return and have nothing to say about the claims which could help us.
Besides, KoC is either a really good actor or he's telling the truth if you look at post 488. At this moment, I don't like how AP came into this game.

Vote: Awesome Pants

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[armlx]

Dead Rikumaru replaces Claus.

[Dead Rikimaru]

/here
26 pages to read

[Ku_F]

DR, I hope you keep in mind that you've a double vote today.
I would like to know you're claim and the night targets from Claus if possible.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yay! 4-2! Nice to know one person isn't totally ignorant!

[imaginality]

KoC, a question I forgot to ask you earlier: why did you roleclaim when you hammered yesterday?

[Dead Rikimaru]

DR, I hope you keep in mind that you've a double vote today.
I would like to know you're claim and the night targets from Claus if possible.

Ku_F, I hope you keep in mind you are organizing a massclaim of roles and targets without claiming your own role and targets.

In my opinion, a mass claim is detrimental to town, except on lynch or lose. So I'm not willing to help unless you convince me we are on lylo.

I say it's detrimental to town because massclaims are considered bad for the game and any decent mod will be prepared for them (normally providing fake claims to mafia). Townies won't catch scum, but scum will know the best roles to pick for nightkills.

I say unless on lylo because lylo is a desperate situation and any piece of information may help.

I think if you really wanted a mass claim you should have started by your own role. By making sure you are the last I get the impression you want information to build your own fake claim.

Also, why are you voting awesome pants? Is it because he refused to claim?

FOS: KU_F

I finished reading the game, but will wait some clarifications from the mod (by PM) before I place my votes (yes, both of them)

[Lord Gurgi]

Rikimaru, we are in mylo, we believe. We are massclaiming, because in case you hadn't noticed, we have a mess of night actions.

[Awesome Pants]

Well if KoC turns up scum I'm almost sure that Ku_F will be too.. and KoC seems like scum to me so if that's right we should only have one more scum to find.

dahil, you haven't posted in a while, what do you think about Ku_F's vote on me? I'm interested in what your thoughts on the game (or at least the few pages) are too, DR. Thanks for replacing in btw!

[Dead Rikimaru]

Rikimaru, we are in mylo, we believe. We are massclaiming, because in case you hadn't noticed, we have a mess of night actions.

What is the difference between mylo and lylo, if any?

As far as I know lynch-or-lose already means that if we lynch wrong we lose.

And from what I understood the mess of night actions was between three players. It is very likely that at least one of those three players is scum, so if only those three players claimed it would be enough information to lynch someone.

No need to risk the rest of town's power roles, specially since we had no kill last night.

Well if KoC turns up scum I'm almost sure that Ku_F will be too..

Why is Ku_F's alignement connected to KoC's?

[Awesome Pants]

From my understanding, in mylo you can no lynch whereas in lylo you can't.

Why is Ku_F's alignement connected to KoC's?

The way in which she's gone after me after KoC did places a pretty strong connection in my mind. She also very much discouraged a KoC lynch.

[Dead Rikimaru]

That means a no-lynch is being considered?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I claimed when I hammered because I wanted to avoid all the "claim plz" crap that would inevitably have happened at the start of this day. I felt it wiser to let people know before I made the hammer.

[Ku_F]

First of all, I have claimed my role, Gravity, and the targets, Gorrad and AP.

Besides, when the mass claim started, I wasn't in the game yet. It was organized by other players and I support the idea as I believe we could get information out of it. What do you think of the targets at this moment?

You also stated that the best roles could be picked. At this moment every role is known, except yours and AP, who said that it would be better for town if he didn't tell it.

My vote for AP has been told. He's the only one together with you who don't want to say their ability. Also he doesn't want to share his night targets just like you. If you think about it, in mini games, it's most likely that there are three scum. Meaning one of them has told his night actions. So what are you talking about a fake claim. I'll tell you. I've got the best ability of all. But just like AP, it's better not to know . That's the reason why I don't continue asking what his ability is, however he could reveal his night targets. I have done the same. Besides, there is only one ability as far as I know, which doesn't want to reveal his night targets.
Also, he attacked KoC immediatly. Not that's special, but it is when you don't mention anything about the massclaim or anything in that direction, which includes the posts where I asked if he could reveal his targets and tell his role.
This is counted double as KoC was under heavily attack. In his return post, he only mentioned KoC, while he missed a lot.

Like I said, there are probably three scum. We're with eight left meaning that one mislynch and one NK will mean the end. Is this convincing enough?

AP, why do you only ask Dahill1? There are other players here as well.

The difference from what I understand is:
We have 8 players left. Probably 3 are scum. Meaning that if we lynch wrong and that there's a NK, we lose. However, if we don't lynch and there is a NK, it would mean that there are 7 players left. This means that the scum haven't as much players as tonies in this game, which mean they haven't won yet.
That's why it's possibly Mylo.

Let's see, why would I discourage a KoC bandwagon. First of all, I believe that someone is scummier. Secondly, I don't see KoC as scum yet. Yes, he's scummy, but not as scummy like someone else.

[Lord Gurgi]

Dead Rikimaru, please don't attribute AP quotes to me, that's bad.

Now that someone has brought it up, what's the problem with a nolynch? We could get more information from our claimed RB's, and all that stuff.

[imaginality]

As long as KoC states who he will target (so town players don't get killed by the PGO, which could cause us to lose the game), no lynch might be okay. The remaining risks would be:

KoC is a PGO creator

and

is scum, and lies about who he will target.

There's a scum redirector or bus driver or similar, who could cause someone to target the PGO instead of their original target.

At first I thought I could negate these risks by jailing KoC again, but if Gorrad is scum he could roleblock me.

Those are the game-losing risks if we no lynch. The benefit is another night's info, and if scum kill, one less player to choose from tomorrow. Do the benefits outweigh the risks? Not sure...

[Lord Gurgi]

Imaginality, RB doesn't affect RB. KoC should

none

. Because he's just causing randomness until then.

[imaginality]

Imaginality, RB doesn't affect RB.

Are you sure that's how armlx does it? In this thread, some mods (e.g. Xyl, somestrangeflea) said that they use a 'chain' approach, which would mean I'd get roleblocked. (Roleblocker A -> Roleblocker B -> Player C = B is roleblocked, C is not.)

Also, since I'm a jailer rather than a pure roleblocker, it's possible that Gorrad's roleblock action would be resolved first, before my roleblock&protect action?

Of course, it's all moot if KoC can choose not to target anyone. He hasn't said whether that's possible though. KoC, do you have to use your power each night?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes, because God forbid I use this to catch a scum killing someone and flip it back on them.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Damn, simul-post. No, I don't have to use it.

[Lord Gurgi]

KoC, with this many power roles you are more likely to kill town than scum, do you understand that?

[Knight of Cydonia]

*shrug* Let's face it, they're just waiting for someone to hammer me so they can win with NK anyway. This is a big fat rhetorical question, since the scum should have no intention of leaving someone who can kill them if they try to NK my target, and if they have half a brain cell, I'm as good as dead, whether you lynch me or no.