Since this game is frustratingly dead I'm going to try to do some review. Had considered starting with MafMen, but as I asked implo his opinion of him I don't want to out any analysis on him before implo does so I can be sure his conclusions aren't influenced by mine at all. So instead I'm going to look over Greeting to see if I have the right idea or he's been in my blind spot all game.
Greeting:
I encountered Greeting in our previous game, I think there he became obvious town to me when he started complaining about the SEs in that game not doing much compared to his previous game. Was also fairly obvious town in his first game where he started scumhunting and putting in efforts to be helpful more or less right away.
I didn't really love the vote on margotrosa in
88, voting an inactive player is a fairly safe move that doesn't accomplish much, either they're going to start posting or they aren't but it's not like someone missing the start of the game is necessarily scummy, and as it turned out she'd flaked anyway. But it's not a guaranteed scum thing, town could legitimately think they're trying to force someone to post with that vote
The reasoning for going after igorsprite in
95/
96 is actually meh, I can see town going after him based on how he was playing the early game but on a reread the lack of real explanation doesn't quite sit right with me
I don't know if it's my own bias speaking but in his previous games Greeting was able to present pretty fleshed out thoughts and I find the reads list in 96 a bit lacking, the exclusion of players who "sound like genuine newbies" and me as the least suspicious somehow reads rather arbitrary, the thoughts on mafmen are just that he "didn't sound very towny" but decides he's not as suspicious just because he's not likely to be a teammate to igorsprite, which is just bad associative reasoning that's dependent on igorsprite being scum, doesn't analyze mafmen's posts at all.
The
109 is also pretty weak reasoning, doesn't get at anything specific for clearing me or the other newbies, just that i'm "acting similarly" and the other newbies are "making newbie posts". I feel like in my skims of his previous games just before this Greeting had more fleshed out thoughts, but I'll have to check again after this.
The mechanical posts in
120 and
123 don't really bother me and are more or less consistent with how Greeting-town acted in his first game, but I don't really consider it a towntell at all and would expect he'd talk similarly as scum.
I actually like
140 as townish, the unease/hesitance toward implosion feels like believable paranoia and the way he talks about wanting to vote MafMen for sounding similar to a player who'd fooled him as scum sounds good.
141 stings a little because I had initially read post 50 as townish as well but second-guessed myself, something of the confidence in the read makes me afraid it's white-knighting but I don't think the reasons for Greeting's defense of Thyn are all that bad ultimately.
The sequence from
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149/
151/
160 still looks town to me, feel like the confusion at val's accusation and the gradually increasing incredulity as he doubles down on extremely faulty/contradictory reasoning looks genuine.
Could it be scum getting miffed at an unreasonable accusation from a townie? Eh, I suppose. But it all looks town enough to me.
The attempting to check Val's posting history and feeling like what he's doing doesn't match with his other games in
169/
171 is also a manuever I don't see newb-scum faking, bothering to even think about the meta angle is one most don't often bother with. Even the weird ridiculous angleshooty read where he speculates if Val could somehow be an unregistered hydra in
184 is one I don't see mafia making, ever?
I don't really like the rabbit hole associative read in
185 but if I had to guess it's a town post. Not strongly though.
Something about talking about the game being brought to a "harmful frenzy" in
193 I also like, that kind of feeling of victimization comes way more often from town and isn't often faked by mafia, particularly inexperienced ones. Generally speaking that type of thinking where they're perceiving things people are doing as plots and threats comes from the paranoid mindset of a townie.
The emotive threat to selfhammer in
204 left me conflicted. Greeting was mis-eliminated in his first game and came under pressure in the game we played together and he didn't react that way when he got heat in those games. But this is also a different game and it's possible he got tired of being pushed on. His explanation for it when I asked was related to his confidence in Val being scum. In general I think this sort of threat comes from frustrated town more often than scum, though, and the type of player who does it as a ploy is rare - I don't think Greeting has encountered anyone like that in his previous games so my guess would be this is genuine town frustration leading to the threat rather than a bluff.
234 asking about Thynhith does ping a bit.
235 trying to call out frogs for being online but not posting is also a type of angle-shoot read I almost never see from scum, ever, and I'm glad I went back and reread to remind myself of that. Bothering to investigate the activity of someone random while in the midst of a 1v1 with val indicates a genuine scumhunting mindset here, scum can and will use getting in a fight with a townie as an excuse to avoid commenting on the rest of the thread but Greeting isn't doing that, he's continuing to look around at other people even while locked in a tunnel on Val.
continuing after this but felt the last bit was a strong enough point to end the post on.
