I'm going to try to turn "gives other people's opinions instead of own opinions by mistake" into a superpower by going through Bulba's ISO and charting his opinions about everybody else and how they changed throughout the game. This will hopefully help me to detect things like bussing, softbussing, deflecting, ignoring certain players, defending, etc.
+ means Bulba has a positive opinion about someone or defending them from criticism
- means Bulba has negative opinions that go beyond simple disagreement about setup spec
= means casual interactions
v for voting
? means i'm not sure if the opinion is positive or negative
u for unvoting without revoting someone else.
multiple conflicting signals sometimes just mean hydra dissonance ("i scumread x but my others heads are townreading him"). if this weren't a hydra both townreading and scumreading someone in the same post without some kind of "until post x I felt this way now i feel differently" marker would be scummy.
Alive and Conftown:
ChriVi
-
952 -
1426 -
1741 -
1760 =
1910 -
1972 -?
3263 +
4516 =
4590 -
4791 -
4793 -
4794 -
4795 -
4796 =
5326 =
5345 =
5546 =
6023 =
6094 =
6218 -
6225 -
6226 -
6227 -
6235
Bulba has consistently disliked ChriVi's posting, mainly citing inactivity and unwillingness to explain opinions, but Bulba has also been consistently townreading now that they've been confirmed and was townreading them before that considering them almost confirmed or contingently confirmed.
=+
945 -=
948 =
1388 =
1426 -
1741 -
1760 -=
1785 =
1912 -
1972 -
2522 +
2556 =
2802 +
2804 +?=
3220 =
3373 =
4007 =
4009 =
4787 -
4823 =
4875 =
5101 =
5102 =
5442 =
5767 =
6067 =
6094 =
6094 =
6209 +
6212 =
6231
Bulba has mostly gotten on well with Trousers. There were times they disagreed with each other and other times Bulba defended them to other people.
Alive ordered by my own suspicion level (the end with me on it is the end i'm least suspicious of):
Plotinus
+
948 =
952 =
2182 =
2522 +
2528 +
2531 +
2556 =
2802 +
3815 -=
4050 -?
4926 -
4948 -
5059 -
5111 -
5194 +
5326 =
5345 -
5638 =
5688 =
5725 -
6026 -
6045 -
6051 -v
6052 -
6077 -
6081 -
6094 =
6094 -=
6094 =
6231
Bulba liked my predecessor for a while, when some of the heads were liking Drixx some of the like splashed over onto my slot and when some of the heads were disliking Drixx some of the dislike splashed onto my slot. Since I took over the dislikes have been more due to my own misstakes I think, but he's been civil with me and tried to get me to explain my thinking -- which is predominantly how he's treated his other scumreads too.
Titus
-?
952 =
1760 -
1780 =
2522 +
2556 =
2566 =
2705 =
3046 =
3053 =
3071 +
3220 -
3247 -?
3349 +
3351 -
3373 =
3497 =
3620 -?=
3719 =
3808 =
4033 =
4036 =
4253 -
4333 +
4367 -
4461 =
4516 =
4525 +
4787 -
4788 -
4789 -
4793 =
4802 +
4823 +
4875 =
4901 =
4926 =
4928 =
4930 =
4935 =
4946 -
5035 =
5041 +
5058 =
5094 -
5102 =
5107 =
5133 -?
5638 -?
5684 =
5790 =
5901 =
5906 =
5908 =
5910 =
5917 =
5919 =
5924 =
5926 =
5929 =
5945 =
5950 =
5956 -
6026 -
6045 -
6051 -=
6067 -
6077 -
6081 -
6084 -=
6095 -
6109 =
6235 -?
6241
They've been back and forth a bit on Titus. Initially they weren't so happy with the slot, then when Titus took over they were townreading her for a while, then they were annoyed with her, then they were getting a long until Mastin came back, which I'm not really sure what to make of.
Brantz
-
562 +=
1388 -
1608 =
1760 =
1910 -
2090 =
2522 =
2522 -
2556 =
2802 -?=
2804 -?
3053 +
4901 =
5049 =
5094 =
5386 =
5573 +
5638 -
6028
Initially didn't like Brantz, then a while later disapproved of someone else voting Brantz, then in the third interaction about Brantz is telling Lucian that Brantz is a candidate for a vig shot. Towards the end defends Brantz to Drixx when he feels Drixx is being unfair in a push against Brantz. Positive/neutral interactions with Brantz until finally in 6028 which was yesterday lists Brantz as a lynch candidate for today. I'm not sure if this is due to Brantz' ability, Brantz not being conftown +PoE or something else. Bulba, would you like to clarify?
Boonskiies
=
948 +?
952 -?
1403 +
1426 -
1972 +
2556 -
3053 -
3263 -
3265 -
3349 -
3351 -
3373 +?
3643 -?
3736 -
3815 v
3821 -v
3956 -
3957 -
3999 -
4254 -
4367 -?
5590 =
5638 +
5638 -
6028 =
6094 +?
6216 -
6238
Back and forth on Boon in the beginning but is pretty consistently negative towards him, citing playstyle, lurking too much, posting without really catching up, and general chaos. Defends him now and then when he's right about something but mostly views him in a negative light.
Drixx
=
110 v
209 -
562 +
945 -
948 =
952 -=
1388 -?+?=
1426 -
1608 +
1780 +
1785 +
1910 =
1972 +
1973 +
2103 +
2136 +
2144 -
2148 +
2152 +
2525 +
2556 +=
2665 +
3220 -
3247 -
3251 -
3256 -
3257 -=
3261 -=
3263 +?=
3265 -?
3351 +
3373 -?=
3497 +?
3502 +-
3608 +
3808 -
3815 -
3892 =
4050 -
4253 -
4333 -v
4787 -
4823 -
4875 -
4875 -
4901 -
4926 -
4949 -=
5035 -
5040 -
5041 -
5058 -
5059 =
5133 +
5326 =
5345 -
5638 -?
5682 =
5688 -
6026 -
6045 -?+?
6051 =
6209 =
6214 =
6225
The three heads are divided about drixx, early on I think one was townreading and the other scumreading driix, but eventually they settled into mostly townreading drixx until that thing in day 2 when they tried to reach out to drixx a bunch of times and eventually gave up. After that they scumread the slot for a while, and the best they currently have to say about drixx is that he's the least likely scum in [titus, me, narninian, drixx]
BBmolla
+
562 =
945 -?
952 -?
2090 =
2159 =
2522 +
2556 +
2705 -=
3719 v-
3724 +?
3738 =
4253 =
4901 +
5638 -
6028 -?=
6069 +?=
6072 -
6075 =
6082 -
6094
Bulba is mostly positive about BBmolla until early Day 3 when they seem irritated with BBmolla and ultimately vote them, though a few posts later they do say they don't want BBmolla lynched. They then mostly like or are neutral towards BBmolla until yesterday when discussing who should be lynched on Day 7.
Oranje
+
110, +
562 =
952 +
985 =
1388 -
1403 +
1426 +
1760 -
2556 -
2665 -
2673 -
2705 -
2802 -
2804 -=
3046 -
3053 -=
3056 -
3247 -=
3349 =
3578 =
3611 =
3719 v
3720 -
3815 -+
3892 -
3956 -
3999 -=
4333 +?
4802 -
4823 -
4875 +
4926 =
5386 =
5550 =
5554 =
5576 +
5638 +
6026 +
6082 +
6094 +
6225
They have consistently scumread Oranje since fairly early day1 (thought not at the very beginning of the day), though they were civil towards Oranje when talking to them and answering questions from them and were occasionally willing to work together with Oranje to off a mutual scumread. Then in 4926 when Narninian was listing potential lynch targets or luciankill targets don't quite remember, Bulba says "nah" about Oranje as a potential kill and then is positive towards them ever since. What changed?
(I'm writing these short summaries on day 7 because I need to use the preview function to work, though I did the ISO diving and -+?ing during the night phase., which means my memory is a little fuzzy about some of the details but I'm confident about the overall picture.)
+?
952 -
1403 -
1741 -
1760 -
1780 v
1787 -
1910 -
1972 +
1973 -
2090 -
2136 -
2144 -
2152
Venus initially read the slot as town but everyone else was scumreading the slot.
+
562 =
948 =
985 =
1388 =
1403 =
1403 +
1426 +
1741 =
1910 =
1972 =
2090
Was neutral to positive in their interactions with and about Marquis.
+?
1403 -
1780 -
2182 -
2665 -
2705 -
3053 -
3056 -v
3220 -
3349 -
3373
They thought Lihin's posting style was scummy and thought Lihin's ability was fairly weak or maybe even anti-town, especially when Lihin used it on them instead of a lurking target bulba would have preferred like vonflare.
-
110 =
945 +?
952 -+
1388 -
1403 =
1780 =
1972 =
2090 -?
3247 =
3351 -?=
3373
Mildly negative about this slot but was civil towards it.
=
110 =
562 =
945 =
948 +
952 -
1388 +=
1426 -
1741 -
1760 =
1780 =
1785 =
1972 -
2090 -
2103 -
2133 -
2144 -
2148 -
2152 -
2182 -v
2518 -
2522 -
2526 -
2528 -
2556 -
2665 =
2673 -
3053 =
3056 -
3056 -
3220 -
3349 -
3351 =
3373 -
3373 -
3497 -
3502 -
3504 -
3553 =
3578 -
3606 -=
3608 -=
3611 -
3612 =
3615 =
3618 =
3623 -
3632 =
3637
mutually tunnelled with copper but it felt more like a town tunnel to me because they remained civil with each other and occasionally admitted that copper was right when they felt copper raised a good point. Towards the end their primary complaint about copper was that copper was still tunnelling them.
+
110 -
945 -
1388 -
1426 -
1741 =
1972 -
2133 -
2152 -
2159 -?
2556 -
2665 -
2673 =
2804 +?
3046 +
3053 =
3373 =
3497 =
4254 =
4400 =-
4460 =
4516 +
4590 +
4791 +
4796 =
4799 =
4823 =
4926 =
4935 =
4939 =
4946 =
4948 +
5035 =
5049 =
5094 =
5326
Initially disliked this slot quite a bit but accepted it as conftown once Lucian shot Ika based on Ozgin's result and was positive towards this slot after that.
=
948 =
1426 +
1760 =
1780 =
1785 =
1910 -
1972 =
2090 -
2522 +
2525 +
2556 -
2705 =
2802 +
3373 +
3553 =
4050 =
4254 +
4400 -+
4460 +
4516 +
4590 +
4823 +
4935 =
5035 -
5326
Disagrees with cerberus for a while but eventually townreads him for the most part.
-v
562 -
945 -
952 -v
985 -
1340 -=
1388 -
1426 =
1608 -=
1741 -
1785 -
1910 -
1972 +
1973 =
2090 =
2133 =
2525 +-
2665 +
2802 =
2804 -
3046 -
3053 =
3067 -?=
3256 +
3349 =
3373 -?=
3502 +
3553 =
3608 =
3719 +
5094 =
5133 =
5194 +
5345 =
5638
Dislikes Lucian and scumreads him for a while because he feels that lucian isn't playing very well, but after the vig shot mostly accepts lucian as town with some lingering concerns about his playstyle.
-
952 +
985 -
1388 -
1403 -
1760 +
2556 -
3349 +
3608 =
3892 =
5133 =
5326
Mostly dislikes this slot because of inactivity, but accepted them as almost confirmed town.
=
945 -
948 +=
952 +=
1388 +
1741 =
1760 -
1780 =
1785 =
1910 =
1972 =
2526 =
2528 =
2531 =
3056 +
3220 =
3373 =
3611 =
3719 =
3740 -?=
3808 =
3892 =
3956 =
3999 -v
4031 =
4039 -
4050 -
4333 =
4367 -
4407 -
4410 -
4460 -
4537 -
4590 =
4787 =
4901 =
5326 =
5347 =
5386 -
5450 +
5638 =
5682 +=
5694 =
5713 -
6026 -
6094 =
6094 -
6212
Spent the first day feeling deathfisaro out, then was mostly neutral towards him. The negative posts were mostly about disagreements about logic or about death's playstyle and then later on about the "no result"/"investigation proof" misunderstanding.
=
948 +
952 -
1388 -
1403 +=
1426 +
1741 +
1910 +
2095 +
2518 +
2556 +
2673 v
2802 -?=
2804
Had good rapport with Ika throughout and they were townreading each other. It was hard for him to accept Ozgin's result at first and he spent some time looking for alternate explanations which also felt genuine to me, like was having trouble making sense of how this could be true when he was townreading her so strongly, but he did vote for her in the end and accepted her guilt in a way that felt natural to me too. I would have expected scum to do some mild distancing instead of what Bulba did.
+?
952 -
1780 -
1910 -
1972 -
2525 +
2528 +
2556 =
2665 =
2673 =
2802 +
3349 =
3373 =
3502 +
3724 =
3729 +
3892 +
3956 =
4333 =
4798 -
4823 =
4901 =
5194 =
5326 =
5386 =
5386 =
5556 =
5590 +?
5638 -
6028 -
6045 -
6081 =
6094 =
6094 =
6113
Bulba was conflicted about Narninian from the beginning, but at the start of Day 2 when Narninian confessed to redirecting onto Marquis, Bulba felt that this was a mistake but he was town for owning up to it. I also thought this. He's kind of neutral towards Narninian through the rest of the game. He calls him out when he's being scummy, defends him when he makes sense. By yesterday, he was feeling negative enough towards Narninian that he put him in the small pool of final entries for the remaining scum. I was still townreading Narninian when I read all these posts so i might need to reread them again to see if I think they were distancing from each other or just consistently not sure what to make of each other but because of Ika I was pretty sure Bulba wasn't red so I'm sticking to that.
-
952 -
1388 -
1403 -
1741 -v
1785 -
1910 =
1910 +
1973 +-
2090 +
2556 +
2665 =
3220 +
3502 +
3504 +
3553
Bulba consistently scumread Vyse from the very beginning, including voting for him and wanting him to be lynched. Then from post 1973 onward they weren't willing to lynch vyse. They later stated this was due to a change in vyse's posting, that the slot had improved and then they townread him until his death.
-
110 -
562 -
945 -
948 -v
952 -
985 -
1388 -
1608 -u
1741 -=
1760 +
1780 -
1973 -
2090 -
2103 -
2136 -
2144 -
2518 -
2525 -
2556 -
2665 -
2804 -
3056 v
3058 -
3263 =
3892 -
4050 -
4367 -v
5326 =
5442
Bulba consistently scumread vonflare from post 110 onwards, voted him multiple times. The best Bulba ever had to say about vonflare was "for once, I agree with vonflare" (about jackel being sketchy)
-
945 -=
948 -+
952 -
1973 -
2090 +
2556 -
3220 -
3247 -?
3263 -
3814 -
3892 -
4875 -
5035 =
5094 =
5133 =
5194 v
5563 =
5606 -
5638
Bulba was consistently suspicious of Om the nom and elusive and noticed some things were off especially about elusive that I didn't even notice when I was first joining this game, for example about the odd choice of ISOs that elusive read (mostly people long dead). At the time I thought maybe she just knew what she was doing better than I did but now I think I was the right one choosing to read the ISOs of the living.
+
2090 +
2133 +
2152 +
2159 =
3497 -
3643 -
3815 -
4333 -
4926 -
5638 v
5688
Bulba liked some of Peregrine's posts initially but grew tired of their inactivity and eventually wanted them lynched.
Things that stood out:
In
post 948, Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:
Also, and this is just a general question going out to anyone who chooses to respond, do you think, if scum saw momentum forming on a train for one of their partners, they would prefer to pile on said train, or to take advantage of the other votes lying around and split the momentum to other options?
It's possible, but I think that MS site meta is moving away from bussing as a good strategy (although I haven't really peeked my head into the Mafia Discussion forums since I came back, so I'm just taking a guess there or adopting the same thinking as Venusaur).
Here's the vote count they were looking at:
Vote Count 1.06
VysePresident
(5) -
copper223, Toon Fighter, ChriVi
, Narninian,
deathfisaro
vonflare
(5) - Plotinus,
Pirate Ika
, BRantz,
House
, Oranje Crush
LucianRoy
(2) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx
Toon Fighter (2) - Marquis
,
vonflare
deathfisaro
(2) -
elusive
,
Three-Pronged Trouser God
Magua (1) - Cerberus v666
Oranje Crush (1) -
Jackel98
Titus (1) -
Magua
Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1) - BBmolla
Not Voting (5):
PeregrineV
,
VysePresident
, Titus,
Lihin, LucianRoy
, Boonskiies
town motivation for this: cerberus was town asking the question so bulba could be town sharing their sincere beliefs, perhaps influenced by the position of their scumreads on the wagon in question and other wagons. This makes sense because his scumreads were not on VysePresident's wagon: elusive, vonflare, and so was drixx who I think he was only disagreeing with not actively scumreading at the time.
Bulba was voting lucian at this time so we know they weren't bussing at the time. If they were lying about theory and was scum then I would expect them to be bussing while they said this.
scum motivation for this: i can't find one.
Despite scumreading Bulba going into this, I like what I see in the first 4000 posts of this game. Yes they townread pirate ika even past ozgin claiming a guilty up until pirate ika's death, but they didn't seem nervous about it between ozgin's guilty and the death or try to distance himself which is what I would have expected.
They were caught in a mutual tunnel with copper until copper's death but in my 1 game worth of experience I've only seen townies doing that against each other, which doesn't mean that scum doesn't do it too, of course scum does, but it all seemed very genuine to me and like they both had fair points against each other.
I also really like how civil Bulba consistently is even with their scumreads. They seem really openminded and like they're genuinely open to their scumreads changing their mind about things.
I also can't see Bulba being orange because they were really against both vonflare and vysepresident for reasons that I agreed with. Bulba incorrectly re-evaluate their read on vysepresident partway through but it seems like they were just wrong.
They were also wrong about Lihin and Jackel but the reasons they were wrong seem fair enough.
That said, it does seem like they were flailing a bit when deathfisaro called them investigation immune. If I had an investigative role and I got a no result from somebody I would also conclude that they were immune to investigation. I wouldn't be thinking Reflexive Jailkeeper I'd be thinking roleblocker or Godfather or something. Or I'd be checking the wiki to find out what no result might mean. The wiki mentions Ascetic so I had to look that up. I mean if this were a newbie game the only option would be "mafia roleblocker" I think?
I get that this is a rolemadness game and that deathfisaro had claimed to enjoy setup spec so he should be less likely to be confused by things like this but Bulba really overreacted in response which is out of step with all of Bulba's reactions prior to this: being annoyed at drixx-titus, being tunnelled by copper, his interactions with oranje and boonskiies while he was scumreading them, etc.
Sure death was tunnelling them but copper tunnelled them too and that didn't panic them so much. Bulba has been cool and collected all game and when deathfisaro interprets "no result" to mean "investigation immune" which seems like a logical conclusion, Bulba panicks. Why? This still doesn't sit well with me. Even though I'm pretty convinced Bulba's neither red nor orange and Bulba's only blue if the blue team were all independent of each other and didn't know who each other were.
I do like Titus' interaction with Bulba in
4787.
It feels really levelheaded and protown to me when Bulba doesn't hesitate to acknowledge when their scumread has made a good point.