A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

i'd be okay with a podo lynch

then again

i'km p sure we're gonna win so

To be honest this is kinda how i feel at the moment.

[Mirhawk]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Actually that's a fair point. Scum must be talking about something at night, surely at some point someone would have pointed out to Dwlee that he wasn't helping.

Also Flubber, do you still talk in the neighborhood with Piper?

[Mirhawk]

Both variants are possible. If a player with a passive ability is aware when it's activated, that would be noted in their role PM.

Thanks!

That's unfortunate. I really wanted to know what happened night two.

[Mirhawk]

Keep forgetting it's dave and not TO. Dave happens to be confirmed town, which is actually worse than scumreading TO.

This is a bad point as it assumes that he knew Dave's alignment at the beginning of the game.

[Mirhawk]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

I don't understand this, the team is completely random, it's not like scum could have chosen extra deathtunnelers or something.

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Opportunistic.

[podoboq]

i think the things you're focusing on in your replies are the kinds of angles scum find it much easier to defend against

I mean, I'm defending against everything people have brought to the table. If my defense is focused on weak points, then maybe the reason to scumread me is focused on weak points.

[podoboq]

i'd be okay with a podo lynch

then again

i'km p sure we're gonna win so

To be honest this is kinda how i feel at the moment.

You could replace replace my name with anyone's in there. I'd like to replace it with somebody who has a chance to flip scum, though, especially since Cakez is pointing at me as the vig target anyway.

[podoboq]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

I don't understand this, the team is completely random, it's not like scum could have chosen extra deathtunnelers or something.

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Opportunistic.

I think it's worse than opportunistic, but I don't know if I want to elaborate yet, because if I'm wrong, I'm just outing a PR.

Just, know I have an opinion on this slot, and I'll make sure to bring it up before I'm lynched.

[podoboq]

Keep forgetting it's dave and not TO. Dave happens to be confirmed town, which is actually worse than scumreading TO.

This is a bad point as it assumes that he knew Dave's alignment at the beginning of the game.

He never went back on scumreading dave. When dave died, he didn't seem to adjust his reads in any measured way. The only person he ever added to his scum reads was TPP, and that's as his other targets dropped like flies (despite never being lynched).

[podoboq]

I dunno I think Dram is exactly the kind of person who would pitch a fit and self vote.

That's fair. He has shown that he's the kind of person to do that. It could also be melodramatic ATE, though.

Also suggesting a policy lynch on someone in this situation halfway through the game is fucking stupid.

I'd rather we lynch him because he's scum. Since a good number of town seem to think we win regardless, it'd be cool if those on the fence put their vote on the person who is volatile and antitown rather than the one who's clearly trying to contribute.

I would also like to point out that "the business" with Piper isn't unbelievable, he thinks Dwlee was busing, which is plausible.

I don't think it's plausible that TPP is busing. TPP doesn't make it to the end game here, and I think they're smart enough to know that. Too many people stubbornly refuse to reassess their scumread on TPP. They're good players. They wouldn't bus their scumbuddy for towncred when they have no way of inevitably surviving it anyway.

The real question is do you think Dwlee is the kind of player that will deathtunnel a scumbuddey for the entire game. It's a gutsy move, but one that can potentially pay off in terms of distancing.

No, I don't. dwlee was deathtunelling town. He demonstrated this by unvoting, when he thought they were going to die, so that he'd get towncred when they flipped town.

[podoboq]

sorry podo but i'm not convinced

You're clearly convinced of something, enough to vote for me, and I'd really like it if you could spell out that logic for me.

Throw me some rope. If I'm town, you give me enough to climb out of this groupthink hole I've been put into. If I'm scum, you give me enough to hang myself. Just do me a favor and make a case on me being scum, so that I can respond, rather than just sit here and wait for all the people who aren't reading the game to lynch me.

[itlepip]

current endgaming stuff

The Pied Piper lynched
SirCakez NKed
Mirhawk lynched
dramonic vig tonight
Marquis
Flubbernugget lynched in f3
Cerberus v666 lynched
Malakittens Nked
itlepip Nked
pistachi0n Nked
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq lynch today

[Malakittens]

We aren't punching tpp

[Malakittens]

Oh phone i hate you. Lynching

[Cerberus v666]

current endgaming stuff

The Pied Piper lynched
SirCakez NKed
Mirhawk lynched
dramonic vig tonight
Marquis
Flubbernugget lynched in f3
Cerberus v666 lynched
Malakittens Nked
itlepip Nked
pistachi0n Nked
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq lynch today

Wtf is this?

[podoboq]

current endgaming stuff

The Pied Piper lynched
SirCakez NKed
Mirhawk lynched
dramonic vig tonight
Marquis
Flubbernugget lynched in f3
Cerberus v666 lynched
Malakittens Nked
itlepip Nked
pistachi0n Nked
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq lynch today

Wtf is this?

A bunch of bullshit. Glad someone else noticed it.

[Mirhawk]

current endgaming stuff

The Pied Piper lynched
SirCakez NKed
Mirhawk lynched
dramonic vig tonight
Marquis
Flubbernugget lynched in f3
Cerberus v666 lynched
Malakittens Nked
itlepip Nked
pistachi0n Nked
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq lynch today

Lol no.

Well probably not. What order are these in? Is there a reason you only have 1 vig kill?

[Mirhawk]

Also, why on earth would scum shoot you instead of marquis.

[The Pied Piper]

Friend itlepip it is best to put your lylo plans in the thread with the purple background.


Marquis, help me see what you see about podoboq? I wrote a towncase for him earlier and I know it had a lot of words in it but these are the parts that are most important to me:

I thought his behaviour around the deadline scramble on day 1 was ridiculously town and there are also a bunch of areas where I think there was an easier route available to him if he were scum that he chose not to take; I liked some of the depth in his early reads.

Axel, you town read me, right? Please read up and strongly consider hammering ranger. The alternative is no lynch.

Do you really think podoboq calls out to his buddy and asks him to hammer a mislynch in public?



In other news, I wrote a 15 page essay on my Cakes read in my hydra PT. I don't think this game needs 3500 words from me right now especially when the conclusion is that I want to sync with Nacho.

His responses to our pressure on day 2 or whenever it was feel really town and talking to him he seems town and there are some points in his ISO that I really liked, for example he pushes dwlee to read the game in 3024, and dwlee doesn't, so he summarises the game for dwlee in 3041, and it's a good summary, a thorough summary, and the only reason to write a summary like that as scum is to get into the town replacement's good graces and dwlee wasn't a town replacement. Doing that for a buddy deprives them of any towncred they might've gained through their own efforts to read the thread, so that feels pretty town.

That said, about 80% of the words were about things in his ISO that worried me. Cakes was scum with beeboy and flubber in Borderlands and so I read through their triple ISO in that game, all 7 pages of it, and i have concerns as a result, about both Cakes and beeboy.


My itlepip read is sort of on hold because it's tied up with my cakes read and some other things, but reading Borderlands gave me worries about beeboy, too.


I just got done modding a game with 9 neighbourhoods so I have things to say about neighbourhood dynamics and newbies. The tl;dr of it is that a lot lynchbaity players especially when they're new tend to really blossom in neighbourhoods. This'll be easier to talk about when the QTs are released though, (they have a little while to object), so probably on Saturday is when I'll make a towncase for Flubber's predecessor. If I did it now, I'd cite most of the newbies' play from Micro 600, but especially Creature's, but Fractals is fresher on my mind and is a better example of what I want to say.

[The Pied Piper]

Elyse

is like cop-clear levels of town though.

Maxous

confirmed her neighborize and

Maxous

is nigh confirmed town.
And Nero some of your pairings make no sense. Like

Elyse

+

Titus

or

Elyse

+

Maxous

would be obvious but not

Titus

+

Maxous

.

Cakes, in Borderlands, just a few weeks before this game started, you learned a hard lesson about confirmable role not being the same thing as confirmed town alignment when

Elyse

endgamed your buddy. Why have you been so quick to townread people whose roles were confirmable in this game?

[itlepip]

Shit that was a draft. Also TPP we don't have daytalk so I have to do it here :(

Also, why on earth would scum shoot you instead of marquis.

I will guarding one of the confirmed every night. So either scum can not shoot confirmed town or I will flip.

The Pied Piper lynched d7
SirCakez NKed n8
Mirhawk lynched d6
dramonic vig tonight d5
Marquis-this is prolly town
Flubbernugget lynched in f3-one I'm least sure about even through decent play at points.
Cerberus v666 lynched 8
Malakittens Nked n7
itlepip Nked n5(basically just the night before mala/pistachion)
pistachi0n Nked n6
drmyshottyizsik-town by TO
podoboq lynch today

So here's the thing. 1 vigi shot because worst case, I probably wouldn't ever assume more than 2 or so. In order for this game to actually be super easy we would need to agree on 6 absolute town

[Cerberus v666]

You forgot that I'm never gonna get lynched yo, even playing a shit game like this one..:p Recommend assumption of vig or me being in the endgame.

[podoboq]

Shit that was a draft. Also TPP we don't have daytalk so I have to do it here

Also, why on earth would scum shoot you instead of marquis.

I will guarding one of the confirmed every night. So either scum can not shoot confirmed town or I will flip.

The Pied Piper lynched d7
SirCakez NKed n8
Mirhawk lynched d6
dramonic vig tonight d5
Marquis-this is prolly town
Flubbernugget lynched in f3-one I'm least sure about even through decent play at points.
Cerberus v666 lynched 8
Malakittens Nked n7
itlepip Nked n5(basically just the night before mala/pistachion)
pistachi0n Nked n6
drmyshottyizsik-town by TO
podoboq lynch today

So here's the thing. 1 vigi shot because worst case, I probably wouldn't ever assume more than 2 or so. In order for this game to actually be super easy we would need to agree on 6 absolute town

This is making a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[Flubbernugget]

Thanks for giving me something to respond to Cakez. I have to admit, though, that I don't really see how my interactions with dwlee are scummy. You say they're "not very good," and I assume by that you mean they're scummy, since it's basically the only reason you're giving to scumread me. So I went into my ISO, did a find on "dwlee" and these are some of the posts I found.

Spoiler: posts I made that demonstrate that dwlee and I are not scum partners

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.

Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.

pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.

I can see wagonning on dwlee here. Let's do it and see what happens. VOTE: dwlee

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

time to get the iso!!

On it!

post 4329

Apparently dwlee wagon isn't happening. Cerb, I thought you wanted to do that.

VOTE: FS

Happy to lynch (in descending order of happiness):
dramonic (always happy for this)
Mirhawk
FS

Will accept, begrudgingly:
Cerberus
dwlee
TPP (this and dwlee are to resolve the conflict. one of the two needs to die soon, and TPP's mislynch could at least have protown implications in proving their reads as legit town's. I will only accept if the only other option is no lynch)

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

I treated him like a dumbass but his inability to make any attempt to sort me from his actions is scummy

That's a good point. Dwlee has completely dropped the ball on actually trying to accomplish something with that counterclaim gambit.

Prod dodge / read list:

Def Town:

Marquis

- Pretty self explanatory. I also happen to have experience with her play, and she's playing basically exactly the same way she did last time we were town together. Not lynching.

dramonic

- I didn't want to have to spell this out, but look at the voting pattern. Dramonic voted Axelrod before it was cool, when Axelrod had absolutely no pressure on him, for basically the entire game. Dramonic is town.

pistachion

- duh

Mala

- Marquis has an innocent on her.

Pretty towny:

Cakez

- A lot of gut. A lot of consistency with how he played as town in our previous game. A lot of him having good reads. A lot of players I trust trusting him. I think Cakez is good.

shotty

- Don't like his opinions on the current game state, but I liked TO/Talah a lot. Would like to have him back.

Flubbernugget

- I don't know why, but I like him. I was ready to lynch Tictac, but I like Flubber's claim, and his contributing today has been worthy of keeping him around, as opposed to some other players in the game.

Pretty scummy:

dwlee

- HEY, HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CASE INSTEAD OF SHOUTING INTO THE VOID, which is basically what I'm doing by trying to speak any amount of reason to you.

itlepip

- Kinda just tired of this slot, to be honest. Beeboy was a whole lot of wifom, death tunneling someone who is now confirmed town. Itlepip protected dramonic for absolutely no reason other than "I think he's town, lol," then backed off of voting me when I was adamant about my read, but didn't actually vote for dramonic, or explain why he stopped voting for me. Like, I was 1v1ing dramonic, itlepip picked a side, then just jumped out of the middle of it when I gave him shit for it. Dramonic and I were town v town, and itlepip probably just realized he should leave me alone and let me fight rather than egg anything on, because it was bringing attention to him. But that's just how I'm reading it. If anyone forgets this exchange, and would like me to find the post number where it starts, I'll go digging.

I don't even know what to think any more:

TPP

- If I wanted to read a book, I would have finished Game of Thrones by now.

Cerberus

- All of his votes in the game have been for Mirhawk, which I find really weird. I don't know how to read this slot basically at all. I intend to ISO it at some point.

I trust Marquis:

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.


I'm voting Mirhawk because I trust Marquis to read him better than I would, so I'm basically sheeping. If it were up to me, I'd lynch dwlee or itlepip here, or remove TPP and just call it a day.

Of course, some amount of this could easily be construed as some form of distancing. I'm aware of that. I'm hoping that the volume of these posts, matters for something. If I hadn't been absent from the start of the very fast dwlee wagon, I would have jumped on board. Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood. As you can see from my ISO, I was happy with lynching either dwlee or TPP, I just didn't think dwlee was happening, and we were running out of time.


I obviously intend to be more active now that I'm on the chopping block, so if you have any questions for me, or anything you'd like me to elaborate on, please ask, so I can respond in kind. Unless you're scum, and you have no interest in giving town the chance to defend themselves.

The biggest issue with your town case as far as interactions with dwlee is that the only votes on him that really matter are the ones that got him lynched.

In all honesty if I squint at your posts hard enough I can see you steering into the proverbial skid of dwlee's play.

[Flubbernugget]

sorry podo but i'm not convinced

You're clearly convinced of something, enough to vote for me, and I'd really like it if you could spell out that logic for me.

Throw me some rope. If I'm town, you give me enough to climb out of this groupthink hole I've been put into. If I'm scum, you give me enough to hang myself. Just do me a favor and make a case on me being scum, so that I can respond, rather than just sit here and wait for all the people who aren't reading the game to lynch me.

I think I see what marquis is saying

When I'm scum and under pressure, I feel compelled to prove I'm town, which detracts from actually playing town