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↑ kuribo wrote:Paragon of crime = godfather?

Elusive flipped Avatar of Lycanthropy, which I'd assume was the same level, but death still got a guilty. I could be going way off track and both roles aren't equal, but it's possible.

↑ Titus wrote:VOTE: BBMolla

Not sure why this is a thing.

Also, aren't you stumped today?

Plot, that is...a lot of work for one read. Initial knee-jerk is town, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out why plot-scum would go to this much length to try and see if I'm scum only to find out I'm town (with a blue/WW caveat that would almost be enough to call absolute idiocy if the blue scum had no idea they were a team). Can someone else give their thoughts on that? I feel a little biased because it's a read about us.

Drixx, I'm not really a fan of voting boon. At this point he's kinda like an "as a last resort" lynch. OC's better.

↑ BBmolla wrote:yeah.

...sarcasm?

-Ivy

↑ Boonskiies wrote:Drixx is not mafia. Unfortunately.

Anyone paying attention has known this for a long time.

↑ Boonskiies wrote:I was hoping that Drixx wasn't actually this bad, and was scum.

Step outside of yourself and take an objective look at your ISO. You've been a lurksack and the case I put forth against you makes sense. Since I jumped back into the game and stopped trying to troll you all into lynching me to prove Titus wrong, my reads have been pretty spot on. If being right almost all the time and wrong occasionally is "this bad" ... I'll take it.

You maybe could drop the whole "How dare you make a case against me. Anyone who thinks I'm scum when I've got almost no activity and the details fit must just be really bad" hyperbole, and you know ... plug into the game and be useful? That would help.

↑ Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:...sarcasm?

I mean

no?

I mean if you think I'm a randomly Activated Serial Killer Volcano Miller

then you do you I guess

↑ Oranje Crush wrote:Sorry I wasn't that active yesterday, lets win this.
Also:
Chrivi, how many kills does your protect block?

Why?

VOTE: Oranje Crush

@Drixx: Could you stop being a horrendous asshole about everything and actually try to play the game instead of constantly spewing insults at me? Really. You're being useless and if we weren't so close to winning I'd put my vote on you just in the hopes of a policy lynch so I don't have to listen to you bitch and whine about me. Seriously. The last 4-5 of your posts (especially the one right before the flip) were totally uncalled for and dick moves. Take a break and cool down, alright?

Because it wasn't totally a dick move and uncalled for when you started by telling me to stop playing on this site? You don't get to be an asshole to me and then complain when I return that back to you. I am fairly certain I didn't start it because as a general rule I don't actually insult people unless they come after me first. I might be a little sarcastic or something, but I'm pretty sure you started the nastiness. If you want to end it, I'm totally in agreement. I dislike nastiness that serves no purpose in mafia games. I also am nobody's doormat, so when someone comes at me, I give it right back. So if we're talking mutual agreement that we both said things we shouldn't, and we would both rather be better than that, I am down for that. Sound good?


Also ... Orange has struck me as scummy for a long time, but it occurs to me that I can't really make a case against him. Can someone summarize the actual case?

How things stand (roughly) from my perspective. These are pretty much solely my (Ivy's) reads with notes about the other heads' reads if I recall them.

Conftown:
TPTG - Mason
ChriVi - conftown via Cerb's death. ALso needs to get the stick out of their ass and stop acting like they're high and mighty because they're conftown.

Others:
BRantz - Ability is not a scum ability. After thinking on it for awhile (which may or may not have been the couple of minutes I've been typing this post up), I really don't see how his ability could be a scum PR, mainly because of near-MyLo shenanigans. I also think that BRantz, while not taking the initiative regarding the 2nd shot, has been amiable to using it in a way that looked town, especially considering he locked himself into using it today or being forced to use it/lynched. Probly leaning too heavily on his role for the townlean, but I'm not really seeing it any other way. Bare quess as to a plausible scumteam: ...Berlin? Otherwise enough town that he's not in my lynchpool (tho he really shouldn't be in any atm).
BB - Unless 6274 isn't sarcasm (though I'm betting it is), I just don't see BB's role as being a scum PR. I'm ambivalent toward his Oranje push (inasmuch as I don't quite remember what he's scumreading them for despite feelling like I should know). I agree with plot that TVL is the most likely scumslot for BB, but I'm not really sure that kind of team fits. Maybe if OC turns up nothing (aka flips town even if they don't flip commuter) will this be worth reconsidering.
Drixx - Partially due to boon's new target (which was a good target, actually), partially because I've kinda been maybe warming up to him (cue possible contradictory posts). Some of his pushes have been kinda silly (this boonskiies one, while I kinda understand it and accept it's plausible, I don't really think has much merit to it atm), though. And the constant attempts at self-sacrifice, while well-meaning in intent, are giving me mixed reads after the first one D1 (and ignoring any that may have been done D2). Plausible lynch candidate, but certainly not the one I want for today.
Titus - Kinda not doing anything because she's stumped and we can't lynch her even if we wanted to, but still needs mentioning. Venus, as of her last posts, has a serious scumread on Titus (though I'm not countenancing any Titus votes whenever she's available to be voted just yet), and I am in some ways deferring to her read because she's better at sussing out good VCA from bad, If there was literally almost no one else I'd go here. Also, I think I know why she says she'll know when MyLo is (or around that area), and I kinda wonder why I didn't think of it before.
boonskiies - The game's sole surviving lurksack, pretty much entirely on the back of his claim. Despite what he may say Drixx's case on him is still plausible. Given his role, very likely WW if not town. Depending on today's lynch, should probably go after OC.
Plotinus - I was figuring he could be a lynch still despite what happened yesterday, but then he made that wall about me and now I'm feeling conflicted. Still kinda waiting on others to respond to it, but I'm starting to be inclined to think he's not in the lynchpool today, or at the very least near the back of the line with Drixx.
Oranje Crush - To be quite frank, PoE is a part of why I think they're the lynch target for today, but I've honestly never really be comfortable with them. The push onto Vonflare is commendable (and I'm glad that my initial scumread turned out to be right), but it's just as likely that Oranje is scum taking down other-scum, or scum attempting to bus and get some cred to stay out of the crosshairs (though I think BRO's smart enough to not do that kind of play, but I'm not sure about geurts). The point about the commuter being town is very likely to be true, but my beef with that is that if it is then it's more likely that BRantz is scum, and there's really not much to say that BRantz's ability is a scum one. I also have the slightly nagging feeling that the commuter claim isn't their actual role. As far as I remember no one's actually checked OC to see if they really are untargetable because of their commute, so it's possible that they are skirting by being checked thanks to the commuter claim (if so, I do commend you for that) or that they're a roleblocker of some sorts and have been able to guess who's gonna check them to keep the façade going (less plausible, but possible). Also, I am aware Pika did try that FV stuff on Oranje, but the first point is that they flipped scum RB and the second point is that Oranje may have actually RB'd them. It's even possible that there is a scum FV and PIka may have been covering for said FV and OC either successfully blocked the FV or didn't blocked the FV but lied about it and just happened to catch scum. I'm not really buying OC-town that much anymore.

Preferred lynch order is OC, boon, Plot, Drixx, Brantz, BB, of those who aren't conftown and aren't ourselves.

↑ ChriVi wrote:@Drixx: Could you stop being a horrendous asshole about everything and actually try to play the game instead of constantly spewing insults at me? Really. You're being useless and if we weren't so close to winning I'd put my vote on you just in the hopes of a policy lynch so I don't have to listen to you bitch and whine about me. Seriously. The last 4-5 of your posts (especially the one right before the flip) were totally uncalled for and dick moves. Take a break and cool down, alright?

No. No no no.

You don't get to throw insults like "Stop playing mafia" when people disagree with you or ask you to (re-)explain your positions, and then turn around and cry wolf about being insulted and others getting angry. No fucking way. Not even being conftown lets you slide by with that. And yes, you're the one who started it because you're the one who threw the "stop playing" insults before anyone else started actively insulting you for your play or those remarks.

You get off your high horse first, then maybe we can talk about cooling down.

OC's at L-2. I think we should let BRantz activate his ability before anyone else posts (and we should try to keep boon from hammering anything)

Word

Alright. Will submit right now.

I think OC is a good lynch target today. I think there are too many people that need to get off their high horse in this game. It seems extremely likely that we (town) will win no matter what, but we need to work together better than we have been.

I like the reads list from bc as well.

See you all tomorrow.

BC, I am stumped today but after that flip, I wanted to come out swinging.

Why after that flip

↑ BBmolla wrote:Why after that flip

Narninan redirects from you instead of known cops. Kinda suspect. Reminds me of yhe game that shall not be naned.

↑ Titus wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:Why after that flip

Narninan redirects from you instead of known cops. Kinda suspect. Reminds me of yhe game that shall not be naned.

You think I'm a Berlin volcano miller

Like seriously

how about if the scum just surrenders


i mean you could just stretch this out to three-way LYLO but unless you have a way to break the mason-cross-protect-circle, you're straight up going to lose

So Berlin use the "Nuke from orbit" and Volcano uses "Incinerate". Yes, we've remembered our role. In fact we did a while back (remember I was being all odd about it earlier and BRO refuses to say wether we remembered). I'm making a larger post, first eating my breakfast.

~wgeurts

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Yeah, I hate this OC wagon.
I said I'd defer to my other heads on it, but them so soon?
Hell no.

↑ Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:BRantz

Trusting to be town.

BB

be scum, but I don't see it.

Drixx

I buy him being town a whole heck of a lot more than I did before.

Titus - Kinda not doing anything because she's stumped

And therein lies the problem.
A town Titus would be getting stumped right now.

Plotinus

I don't buy him being town at all.

Oranje Crush

I just don't see him as scum. I'm not gonna fight the wagon, but I very much object to being on it, especially so recklessly.

/dissonance, I know, kinda sorta.
But I hate the flow of the OC wagon.

It's like...everyone's saying, "Hey, they're scum, let's lynch them!" and I've not seen a single voice go, "nah, probably not". (I'll take it back if someone does show it to me, of course.)

I asked why OC was scum and got told to stop playing mafiascum if I was too stupid to see it for myself, which prompted the back and forth that got discussed earlier. I still don't actually know why he's supposed to be scummy. I think we have some confirmation from confirmed townies that he was unreachable during the night, which seems sort of not like a scum role (not that all the roles in this game have matched expectations).

BRO wants us to claim what we learned from our "Amnesia" once we're L1. He says that the chance still exists that our wagon will die, I disagree because I believe our info is useful now.

We've been given our new abilities, we got them day 3. We are now a coroner that can either choose to commute or to receive someone's role PM if they are dead as an investigation result. The down side to investigating is that we can't be protected by doctors if we choose to investigate. On night 5 we targeted Vyse as we wanted to know his role as it was ???.

He's a "Chief of Intelligence". He could choose each night receive someone's role PM or to hide someone's role when they die. I assume he targeted himself, hence he flipped ???.
His role PM also revealed that his factions kill flavour was incinerate: the ability name for the faction kill is "Scorch". The name for the cop was "Infiltrate" and the name for the janitor was "Encrypt". I can hereby say vonflare was trolling and lying.

We targeted Pirate Ika Night 6, so last night. Her faction flavour was the nuke from orbit and it's a delayed kill.
She roleblocks her players and made them show up guilty on inspection. Her targets however are notified they got a fruit that night.

We were intending to target narn tonight, to find out wether he really redirected or wether he's a godfather etc. However if we didn't claim we'd be todays lynch. So I've decided to claim sooner rather than later today.
We're going to commute tonight to block whoever targets us. We'll probably commute for the rest of the game if needed.

let me get this straight

you're claiming Vyse fucking killed and janitored himself

...

I guess if Narn actually was a redirector that's possible

explain more about the pm where you got your abilities