Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:26 am
Sure go for it
In post 62, Bell wrote:VP baltar’s posts give me incredibly mixed feelings.
There first vote made me wanna vote them.
And then the rest of their posts were chill and cool and good.
In post 425, Bell wrote:Are they using their trauma for good or evil
In post 415, Bell wrote:Andante, psychoanalyze this post for me please.In post 394, Andante wrote:I mean, what have you done that I should read into and sort you from? Like, if you expect a TR from "IM ENTERING AND VOTING ANDANTE" think again, cause like, I've been on top of this game, trying my best to sort people, and you literally just "don't care! andante maf!!" like, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time if you are town, so... not a great feeling, cause if I said something you hate, again, feel free to point it out, ask questions...
but yeah, got stuff to do, and if I didn't post my thoughts, yall are getting like an entirely new readslist tomorrow..
And by that I mean, explain where all this angst is coming from.
In post 433, Bell wrote:Baltar, Cephrir.In post 431, Frogsterking wrote:In post 428, Bell wrote:I'mma go read a book now.
Tbh, I'm somehow not town reading anyone yet.
I have some eh scum reads tho.Lol. What are your scum reads?
In post 604, Bell wrote:Gotta go to work. Gunna run late.
Nvm on vp baltar scum.
Too wholesome. Must be town.
In post 844, Bell wrote:Why are you leaving it at thatIn post 726, Morning Tweet wrote:First time replacing??? It's like mafia, but better in *almost* every conceivable way!
Im not sure I buy Luke as scum but I'll leave it at that
In post 872, Bell wrote:My experience with MT has not resulted in me getting a read off of them yet. But my experience is that they’re pretty hedgy as town, so I don’t agree with GL.
In post 876, Bell wrote:I think this more nuanced statement is more true than the previous one. Not sure if scumz MT tho.
In post 1135, Bell wrote:It's pretty apparent yeah.In post 1010, catboi wrote:I wish I were posting like this as scum. But no. And it should be decently apparent to people.
In post 1157, Bell wrote:I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.
In post 1161, Bell wrote:I’m also confused about their positive views on Titus. It’s not all bad, the characterization sort of stops in the second half of the list, but I’m not terribly sure what to make of it. Or why some reads are there, that are, essentially filler for “dude is lurking” etc
In post 1165, Bell wrote:You got the reference. Though i have no idea where the reference originated.
Also cephrir continues to bleh, GL continues to be bleh, bulge is bleh, the fire guy is bleh.
Bleh bleh bleh.
In post 1224, Bell wrote:I called dibs on it being you even before you replaced in.In post 1167, fireisredsir wrote:we can kill somebody but i call dibs on it not being meAlready spoke about this, it's very much a lukewarm scum read I have, though their wry observations and snide insinuations (this is a movie reference, not actually something they did on the latter half) isn't helping.In post 1169, VP Baltar wrote:Feel like we kind of agree on the game except fire. Setting luke aside, are there specific things about fire that bug you?In post 1165, Bell wrote:Also cephrir continues to bleh, GL continues to be bleh, bulge is bleh, the fire guy is bleh.
Bleh bleh bleh.Uh huh.In post 1173, Cephrir wrote:Maybe you just think I'm a bleh person.In post 1165, Bell wrote:You got the reference. Though i have no idea where the reference originated.
Also cephrir continues to bleh, GL continues to be bleh, bulge is bleh, the fire guy is bleh.
Bleh bleh bleh.
In post 1251, Bell wrote:This is true, I don't usually have the willingness to slap down my own partners when they put in earnest efforts.In post 1249, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't really think Bell!scum sees VPB!scum post an effort wall-post readlist and then decides to call it out for being trashIn post 1237, Andante wrote:I mean, I'm pretty convinced VP is maf... is VP your partner, and you're trying to distract us or something? like, why not VP?In post 1236, Bell wrote:I'm willing to bet the day 1 elimination on fireisredsir
Uh, assuming they're scum this game, which I'm not really. I've been really up and down on them all game.
In post 1259, Bell wrote:Pretty much, one of the things about Baltar that I find sort of difficult to parse (in that I naturally TR people for this) is that they seem to or tend to try collaborating on players they're signaling that they think are town.
It's hard to tell if they're tactically buddying certain players or their are just certain players they're particularly interested in hearing their opinions. They've also put in a lot of effort in engagement this game.
I do think how Catboi recently commented on Baltar points to there being +funny points to VP baltar being scum because I tend to think that Town Peta tends to dead center scum in their reads. But that's for a wry universe in a narrative sense more than an actual take on my part, though maybe there is something to that. If you're waiting me to come to a conclusion or to some kind of point, you're going to be here a while.
In post 1306, Bell wrote:Pattern recognition. Pooky tends to do like these membership lists in games. Pooky has also been scum in a higher number of games than rand with me. It’s a bad correlation. Ignore it.In post 1284, VP Baltar wrote:Huh? I'm not following what you're meaning here?In post 1247, Bell wrote:An aside:In post 1245, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I kind of want CSF/Andante/Catboi/Me for my bomb team
Pooky Posse, Pooky personality cult, Pookybomb squad.
sigh. I shouldn't realy see anything into that, but it always triggers me a little when I see him do that, jut due to how many times they've done it as scum, even though I think they do it as town(?) too.
No, you got it right you can disagree but I think the first half town part is more about characteristics than solve.In post 1288, VP Baltar wrote:What does this mean though? At first I thought maybe I knew what you're saying, like I am giving personality traits or something...but I don't think I'm doing that and I'm not really sure what you actually meanIn post 1157, Bell wrote:read like characterizations first and sorting people second.…why are you bringing up fairness in an unfair world. It’s not something I’m going to engage you about. I don’t apply what is just or fair to games of mafia regarding player alignment. If a player miseliminated a bunch of players I do not think “it’s only fair they die now.” And thinking they must be scum for pushing town wagons a lot.In post 1289, VP Baltar wrote:I would like to see you sell me on fire and not just luke. It feels kind of bad faith for us to lim him solely on some luke reactions you didn't like.In post 1166, Bell wrote:I still dunno where the fire resistance is from, we’re 47 pages in. Time to kill somebody.
Fire's interactions this game don't look that scummy to me, so I'm having a hard time getting the tunnel on him. (Yes, I know you said this is a luke thing, I'm just saying!)
In post 1307, Bell wrote:I do not think how Baltar is posting right now is scummy btw. But I am very weak to aTe. I also know saying that is not going to be helpful.
In post 1308, Bell wrote:I do think that if baltar is town here this is a case of people seeing a player be different and failing to adequately solve for the player when they give you a true explanation for their behavior.
If they’re scum, lol myb for not being very helpful. I’m not terribly against it next game day tho.
In post 1310, Bell wrote:Sure, that’s a plausible explanation.
In post 1315, Bell wrote:That’s sure yes. But you’re calling me lazy and that makes me sad. Even though it’s true.
In post 1352, Bell wrote:Based off of recent experience with MT, I’m simply of a mixed opinion. Some town pings, some scum pings.
Tone is right on. But not as persistent as I’d expect.
The number of votes on them though is weird. Though I get the vp-Luke thing is splitting the wagon. Second highest still weird.
In post 1383, Bell wrote:Koba is what I call a cutt throat. They are motivated to win and enjoy winning.
But they came in here as an alt so I don’t know what they were going for in this game, I also never learned if they stress more as scum or if they left this game specifically because of their alignment plist or something else.
If it had been Koba, No alt. I would’ve been scum reading them this game.
In post 1384, Bell wrote:Titus for the love of god. What are you doing this game?
In post 1549, Bell wrote:This is a good town imo. It feels sort of like there are a bunch of sharks in here.
No idea if we're gunna get owned tho. There's always a risk of scum getting out of the tank.
In post 1570, Bell wrote:I know my own alignment and I'm confident that I can convince anybody that I'm town. There's no reason to sort myself.
In post 1589, Bell wrote:I actually don't think you're posting like scum though.
In post 1591, Bell wrote:I'm not sure if you're posting like town either, but I do think it's a little weird yeah. I think how you're talking to me is odd because it starts with some general premise about how you think mafia works and then you apply it poorly to my posts in addition to straw manning me. Like a normal person, I poke people until they start making sense. Or they don't. Or I forget.
In post 1595, Bell wrote:I haven't a clue why you think I think I don't care about your results or whatever. You just seem to be thinking that I'm thinking from a less charitable position than I actually am and speaking to me from that point of view.
I don't get it. But I don't want you to explain it either, because I'm not sure it would help me read you anyway, tbh. I'm mostly interested in you going to bed and getting some rest and catching up like you did in your catch up in your time in a way conducive to your happiness, satisfaction and personal health.
In post 1605, Bell wrote:If nothing else this exchange made me think Frogster is town.
I'm not sure they'd be willing to embarrass themselves like this as scum and I can't imagine them bussing a buddy like this either.
So that just leaves Frog town.
So that's cool.
Pedit: I know this is anti-town of me, but I'm not required to do this. They're just baiting you and you need to ignore it and go to sleep.
In post 1608, Bell wrote:I'm not even sure it makes sense for you not to realize he's baiting you I'm pretty sure you've played more games of mafia than I have.
So I'm confused again.
Ignore me too, this is also bait in a fashion.
In post 1741, Bell wrote:The frogster needs to stop trying to hero solve talking point is, not a good talking point.
@cephrir: than do something that resembles scum hunting. I’m not going to heal you if you don’t.
In post 1773, Bell wrote:Cephrir, dwlee, Mala.In post 1771, fireisredsir wrote:bell who do you think is scummy besides me
and what makes my list strange?
It’s haphazard and the placement of two PoE lists is confusing for no discernible reason.
In post 1912, Bell wrote:You're right.In post 1906, Andresvmb wrote:I didn’t replace into this game. And I have not done anything I haven’t done as Town in other games. Check again.In post 1903, Bell wrote:I'm more interested in you addressing why you did a huge catch up post this game when you've replaced into other games and didn't do that or chose to go about it differently.
Isn't that exactly what Mena said before the self wagon?In post 6297, Bell wrote:I’m still cool with dying as long as pooky dies right after.
In post 4064, Bell wrote:This feels like the opposite of what you said, but uh, this conversation about an opinion a cowboy avatar has is very much a derail of more fun topics like who the scum are and why they're scum.In post 4057, VP Baltar wrote:For sure. I'm not saying you follow anyone to end game. Just saying, we hit scum yesterday,In post 4055, Menalque wrote:For the record this is wrong both theoretically (confirmation bias) and empirically (it’s very rare for anyone to have perfect reads, so what’s more likely to happen is that you end up limming a few scum and then a bunch of town that person with overall good reads thought seemed scummy).
Nobody in this game bar maybe pooky has reads that are accurate enough to let follow-the-leader be maybe game winning.why are we ego fighting over the play today? We have good reason to lim in the expert pool and dwlee/me have had some correct reads this game. You let the dice roll on that.
In post 4287, Bell wrote:Not by play. But they’ve dug themselves out of a hole based on their approach this day phase to SM and Baltar. They were pretty deep into scum read territory at the beginning of this day phase for me and now they’re neutral to Lean town.In post 4276, Menalque wrote:Is anybody townreading dwlee on play btw?
In post 4315, Bell wrote:Disagree with dwlee’s take they did not get much town cred for that if a bus.
@andante: yeah, I get what you mean but it was done well. It seemed realistic with little bursts of motivation and thoughts here and there.
In post 4328, Bell wrote:OkayIn post 4327, GuiltyLion wrote:I felt all three of Pooky/Ceph/Titus were townie in the hood and I think if scum in any of them were trying to get rid of me they could have just openly scumread me and blown me up without much consequence
I think Baltar is scummier than Dwlee
In post 4393, Bell wrote:Waiting on VP.
In post 4534, Bell wrote:Vp’s response to this is silly, for the simple reason that given the amount of time they had, the whole thing should click for them that dwlee is scum unless their scumdar is entirely broken. Dwlee has enough posts to click.
I am weirded out that delete softened their response too.
I guess auto correct is calling sales sales dwlee99 wow it won’t even ducking autocorrect the same way twice.
Have at you autocorrect. You’re the real enemy.
In post 4538, Bell wrote:Sure. But statistically. You’re probably wrong and torpedoing the chance of getting a scum lim this day phase with a scum team that has been blatantly trying to get you miseliminated for day phases.but okay. Work it out. Maybe you’ll convince me.
In post 4657, Bell wrote:*insert Mandatory Pooky paranoia*
Straight up position reversal sucks. And even if I’m wrong and they’d suspected vp all along I still say the same.
In post 4690, Bell wrote:Mistyx would you like to comment on being the shoe in for an elimination once dwlee or Baltar flips scum?
In post 4691, Bell wrote:I don’t think anyone made a mistake with the bomb and I think the scum team blew up the doc and this argument is terrible and remains terrible.
In post 4693, Bell wrote:Look dwlee. It’s depressing, but somehow I can’t figure out which of you it is.
It’s incredibly poor play on my part because I’m usually pretty good with 50/50’s or rather. I’m 100% on them. But something isn’t clicking and I can see either of you being scum and it sucks bur it’s also true so deal.
I’m thinking.
In post 4695, Bell wrote:Two things that bother me.
1. Pooky’s 180 positioning on baltar.
2. Baltar not really factoring I’m scum team’s plan until I pointed out that their perspective is messed up. There isn’t much like ego or a story in their mind.
There are more things that bother me. But I’m going to sleep.
In post 4696, Bell wrote:I was also hoping baltar would drown the thread in words, something they seem perfectly capable of doing, but haven’t really. So that’s…probably irrelevant and has to do with their availability nevermind.
In post 4698, Bell wrote:Pooky said the scum team was trying to kill VP Baltar by adding him to the defusals repeatedly.
Now he’s just speaking the scum party line that he argued first.
In post 4714, Bell wrote:It’s sad I have to say this, but that was not me being informed that this was in fact the case and I am not in fact scum.
In post 4783, Bell wrote:Andante.
I love you, but please do not try to clear dwlee if BP baltar flips scum or town
In post 5037, Bell wrote:Oh this is a lot better from GL.
I guess I was wrong. But this is what I meant. More Aggro with conclusions.
In post 5039, Bell wrote:This is not a good argument when the scum literally control who gets picked.In post 5005, VP Baltar wrote:Got town another defusal didn't I?In post 5002, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you seriously fucking hint what your role was to someone you thought was scum when you could have let them try to blow you up instead or something
Like bro if you're town why would you not just trade for scum there ahhhh
Nothing is stopping us from. Limming mistyx scum right now
In post 5040, Bell wrote:Their in thread/PT behavior was consistent with their claim though.
In post 5060, Bell wrote:I think this is because you either prepared your fake claim way in advance or you’re just what you say you are.
I just don’t know what to say baltar, your reasoning and justifications are difficult to swallow. But i still want to vote dwlee. Just based off of emotions.
In post 5062, Bell wrote:No Andante. I’m not being sarcastic. Pooky flipped my “pooky is scum switch”
Like, 20 pages ago but it feels irrelevant when we have dwlee and baltar to choose from rn.
In post 5067, Bell wrote:It was at the least consistent with a town perspective.
In post 5072, Bell wrote:Are you serious.
Baltar the reason nobody wants to go after mistx right now is because you or dwlee is scum.
In post 5074, Bell wrote:It’s probabilistic neglect to kill outside of those two.
In post 5229, Bell wrote:I don’t think Titus was a weird pick since from a certain lense they were obvious town. I just couldn’t let them pass until I was confident and I didn’t have time to be confident.
I ended up picking three town reads though. From baltar review, still in progress.
In post 5230, Bell wrote:Anyone else have Baltar associative insights?
In post 5263, Bell wrote:In post 5261, Mistyx wrote:this is so incredibly far from trueIn post 5258, Andante wrote:I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf
VOTE: Mistyx
titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all
No, Titus very much wanted you dead in neighborhood chat.
You were her top priority.
In post 5373, Bell wrote:Ngl. I’m with ceph and Andante on this due to pure momentum.
In post 5378, Bell wrote:I wasn’t saying it was.In post 5374, Menalque wrote:Momentum is not a good thing in and of itself
If anything it’s just me being intellectually lazy and not wanting to have to deal with this madness and just defaulting to previous patterns. Because I can’t cope.
In post 5472, Bell wrote:We hammering misty?
Has misty claimed yet?
When is it a good time to mass claim?
In post 5485, Bell wrote:Before killing Misty I want a claim out of them.
I get real upset when people get blind eliminated.
In post 5520, Bell wrote:100% killing mena today. I can justify some of the moves he made, but all of them points a huge arrow directly at him.
In post 5522, Bell wrote:Yay. I read cephrir as town and they were town. Isn’t that nice.
In post 5530, Bell wrote:You defended baltar. You defended misty and appeared to be arguing at a more urgent tone than someone coming off a scum elim would be by pushing other eliminations. It’s just a burden of proficiency. One mistake is fine. Two major ones with obvious intentionality to both I just think, probably scum. It depends on the player.In post 5523, Menalque wrote:I have nothing to say other than it would be lovely if in future you (collective) could address the multiple points on why I don't make sense as scum before limming me, instead of looking at them after the fact and going "oh yeah, he had a point actually"
But you are one where I think it’s valid.
I suppose the fact you didn’t concede points heavily away from you being scum. But I am not negotiating with the past. I wanna be clear you can’t really change my mind here. Just give us who are scum if you have an idea.
In post 5532, Bell wrote:I have zero issues with your lim pool.
In post 5535, Bell wrote:Pooky just didn’t give much reason. I associate a lack of reasons until mid-late game with their scum game.
In post 5537, Bell wrote:Their bussing points away from it though. But I consider them fluffy busses. With pillows for wheels.
In post 5540, Bell wrote:I mean, it’s probably just mena and I’m confident that Pooky will defend themselves well regardless of their alignment.
We can discuss it if it matters then and we’re both alive.
In post 5547, Bell wrote:Baltar had a tremendous number of associatives and everything up to that point, showed he was a fighter with high activity.
It was not good for the scum team that he didn’t manage 2-miselims to his one.
In post 5554, Bell wrote:Sure. @the concede thing. I feel you might be saltier too.
In post 5557, Bell wrote:Further arguing with a dead cat: Misty had an ability that secures 3 eliminations and had by far the most powerful role in the scum team, I hope.
In post 5586, Bell wrote:No, I don’t, because you’ve been consistent with the pooky push and mind meld.
Though I feel like I’m a hungry for affirmation sort of guy and it’s pathetic tbh. Of me, I mean. I think it’s a weakness.
In post 5598, Bell wrote:I discovered that I thought babysitters were just bodyguards, but in actuality they work like a doc except if the baby sitter is killed the baby is killed as well.
In post 5644, Bell wrote:K.In post 5643, Andante wrote:also mena is legit the towniest person here, so I'm not voting mena
I’m going to though and then I’m probably following Mena’s elimination list to the letter if they flip town.
I except for my elim, because, tbh. I can obv town and I already did tbh.
Some of my interactions with baltar clear me. In addition to some of my defenses of players. But eh. Cross that bridge when we get to it as already said.
In post 5740, Bell wrote:He’s not going to live to end game. No matter how much effort he puts in.
In post 5741, Bell wrote:Want to be clear there.
In post 5781, Bell wrote:Please don’t apologize for having thoughts/fake thoughts mena. Nasty bear is trying to scare people away. But it’s all bullshit. Pooky is a nice bear. He’s just possessed by a mafia ghost.
In post 5842, Bell wrote:All right settle down everyone.
Emotions got hot and so on.
But this advantages scum. So if we could keep things non-toxic and cordial, My win con would appreciate it.
In post 5879, Bell wrote:Would it really count if we blew up GL though, because he’s in the pool.
Getting 3 out of 4 of your suspects is a dream come true for this stage of the game.
In post 5991, Bell wrote:Sorry, need to reword. I want a guarantee. That pooky eventually gets eliminated this game. It can be now or end game. But at some point people need to vote him until he is eliminated. Got it?
In post 6001, Bell wrote:Oh. Yeah that’s a meltdown all right and he was town there? He was more conducive at the beginning of the game.
In post 6025, Bell wrote:Excellent point. Let me know who you want me to vote and when!In post 6007, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea and Strange is scum
In post 6034, Bell wrote:VOTE: Mena
Sure!
Also, just keep listening to everybody else on my alignment, because they're right.
In post 6096, Bell wrote:It’s not Dwlee. Posts are too natural.
It’s not CSF. There are too many posts.
Sanity checked’d.
Then make the case?In post 6292, Andante wrote:I'm still good with yeeting enchant
Ouch. But the stress doesn't make for good jokes yeah. But that's very left field of you.In post 6307, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I skimmed icebox's ISO from that Shakespeare game and it doesn't sound very similar here. He's wittier as town.
Most of them?In post 6317, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Do you have some games where your reads weren't good as town