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In post 6321, Alisae wrote:

In post 6319, mastina wrote:Anyone is a good pick for Pine--and if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the game.

not true
Pine actually considered not inviting you but I told him that he should because games are meant to be played with friends.

In post 6319, mastina wrote:

In post 6253, Pink Ball wrote:Tired of mastina calling scum to players when her stance on herself and other players is "anyone is a good pick for Pine, if someone wasn't a good pick, they wouldn't be in the game".

And by the way?

Pink Ball loses the entirety of his fucking townread for this massive fucking misrep of me.

Anyone is a good pick for Pine--and if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the game.

This is true.

That doesn't mean there aren't players who are better picks to make than others; that doesn't mean there aren't players who are more likely to be picked; that doesn't mean picks can't be hypothesized, picks can't be theorized, picks can't be discussed.

Anyone could've been picked, but as I said before, the question to ask isn't why Pine would or wouldn't pick someone; the question is why Pine did or didn't pick them. The former is a shitty question which you will never get good answers for. The latter is something that can be talked about, discussed, debated, and so on and so forth and that is precisely what I have done, outlined who I think Pine did pick and who I think Pine did not pick and the whys behind it.

In post 6253, Pink Ball wrote:Mastina is not really playing the game.

Yes because me giving my reads on the entire playerlist along with reasons why, and continuing to engage on those reads the entire fucking game. Is totally me not playing the game. Me explaining my stances, engaging players and pushing my stances. Is totally me not playing the game. Me being in a situation where by every fucking right I should be conftown and then after by EVERY FUCKING RIGHT ME SHOULD BE CONFTOWN BEING CALLED SCUM BY HALF THE TOWN.

Is totally me not playing the game.

In post 6253, Pink Ball wrote:And she's actually a good pick for Pine

Bullshit.
I have gotten mislynched or misvigged in almost every fucking game I have played this year and even in the games I didn't get either of those I came damn fucking close. L-1 in Undertale comes to mind for instance as does the fact that I was being lined up to be the next lynch in Skygazer's Everything Normal and only averted it because the last scum was lynched so the town can't mislynch me when the game's over in a town win before they can. Fuck even in xyzzy's anyone can post, game, I was almost fucking lynched although to be fair it was a crossvote between me and a different town player so scum could've picked anyone they wanted to to be the lynch and it'd have gone through and it was almost a coinflip where they did lynch me.

Mislynched.
Or misvigged.
In almost every. fucking. game.
I have played.

What makes that magically change with me being scum?
What makes me magically stop being an easy town lynch?
What makes scumastina magically, mystically, go from being a town mislynch as town, to not being lynched as scum?
...Anything?

...No?

Okay, so we've fucking established that if I am scum I still get fucking lynched. So my value can't be in me living to the endgame.
So what other value do I provide?
I can set up my scumteam for success after I am lynched.
Okay, then why was LLD scum, and why was LLD scum specifically the D1 lynch? LLD filled that role for the scumteam. Pine WANTED us to focus on her D1 and focus on her D1 we did indeed. LLD filled this role on the scumteam; are you seriously going to posit that Pine doubled down on having not one but TWO, a full THIRD OF HIS SCUMTEAM, be fucking sacrificial lambs?

Because suggesting I am scum this game when LLD flipped scum is suggesting exactly fucking that.

Okay.
So my value as scum isn't that I endgame.
My value as scum isn't that I prop up my scumbuddies.
What value does that leave in my scumplay?
Propping my scumteam up? I am a bossy bitch; that is not a skill which is really in my repertoire. It can happen, but only if I am on a scumteam where I've got good friends as my scumbuddies, and even then it's not a guarantee. (For instance RC's game had my scumteam and I heavily fight with one another behind the scenes in spite of me being entirely surrounded by friends in it. That was literally one of the best scumteams I could ask for in terms of propping up my scumteam, and I

didn't do it then

because as I said: it's not a skill which is really in my repertoire.)
Speculating as to the identity of town PRs?
I don't fucking PR hunt as scum; this is not a skill scumastina would thus bring to Pine's scumteam.
Working on mechanics to shut down any town mechanical solve?
That's literally the closest to a possible skill Pine could see value in picking me for, and that is still not my specialty as scum.
Crafting fakeclaims for my team?
My modus operandi as scum is to tell the fucking truth and encourage my scumteam to do the same.
Help Pine create a plan?
So what's the fucking plan I helped create then? This scumteam is not fucking following any plan I'd have made and the jjh kill is fucking proof of that. (jjh was, by the way, a scumread and good fucking luck finding a scumgame of mine where I kill a fucking player I am scumreading.)

What makes me a good pick for Pine this game, pray tell?

Absofuckinglutely nothing, at least given the known and proven facts so far in the game given what has happened and what we know has transpired thusfar.

There is good reason for me to be picked in theory--there is such reasoning for every player to be picked. Every player has a reason they would be picked and I am no exception to that. There is damn fucking good reason Pine DIDN'T pick me.

In post 6253, Pink Ball wrote:along with PP. Called them out on D1, they're both scum.

Oh yes I am scum with a player who I would happily fucking lynch because I was literally the first fucking person to call PenguinPower possible scum on D1. Right. That's how scumastina plays these days.

In post 6343, mastina wrote:The bare minimum, because Krazy hated that game.

In post 6244, Aristophanes wrote:

In post 6238, Alisae wrote:Honestly
The only thing I can really say atm is thank you

I held it for tou, Ali! <3

If LLD was town commuter I wanted to use it D2 on her and would have sacrificed myself for a conftown commuter LLD.

That would have been the most epic of things!
Alas.

In post 6267, Pink Ball wrote:Forgot to bold:

Jingle, will Firedaddy get his vote back now that someone else died this day?

In post 6354, Krazy wrote:Imagine the amount of effort it took to put together that wall exactly 0% of which actually went into engaging me ever throughout this game

In post 6349, Krazy wrote:

In post 6347, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'd actually agreed with mastina's stance until D2 started

Why?

In post 6356, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why I agreed or why I changed my mind?

In post 6350, mastina wrote:

In post 6321, Alisae wrote:

In post 6319, mastina wrote:Anyone is a good pick for Pine--and if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the game.

not true
Pine actually considered not inviting you but I told him that he should because games are meant to be played with friends.

Um.
If that were true.
Why the fuck do you think I'm scum?
If you think my statement of "Anyone is a good pick for Pine; if they weren't a good pick, they wouldn't be in the game" isn't true because Pine almost didn't invite me to the game.
Why the fuck do you think that in spite of me apparently almost not being invited and thus by my logic not being a good pick, Pine picked me?

If what you're saying is true then it's pretty damn fucking strong proof that I'm town.

In post 6308, Gamma Emerald wrote:

Bargain: Neighborize

Pops or Smarty are who I'll neighborize if I get it
I feel like a politician posting this

In post 6358, Krazy wrote:

In post 6356, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why I agreed or why I changed my mind?

Both actually

In post 6360, Pine wrote:

In post 6308, Gamma Emerald wrote:

Bargain: Neighborize

Pops or Smarty are who I'll neighborize if I get it
I feel like a politician posting this

Nah I’d pass on this

In post 6361, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Ali I think it's prolly a TvT, Mastina makes solid points but I just don't agree on the conclusion

In post 6329, Krazy wrote:Anyway, I was thinking mastina is town. And she still might be town actually. But given I've basically retired from this site precisely because literally everyone on this site seems unable to go a game without getting into interpersonal drama that goes beyond the game (myself included), I'm kinda over just letting mastina try to read me based on whether I'm "miserable" or not. She knows I was miserable in pretty much every game I've played on this site in the last few months regardless of alignment.

In post 6329, Krazy wrote:A I think the fact that we're ignoring her most likely check is nonsense.

In post 6329, Krazy wrote:I'm like, looking at her play, and her reads are just... not good enough to be town mastina.

In post 6329, Krazy wrote:I'm kinda done dealing with her after how lazily she tunneled me in EICN.

In post 6361, Gamma Emerald wrote:I agreed because you didn't seem really engaged in the game and you seemed to be reflexively FoSing those who pushed you. I changed my mind because I felt like a fresh start was a good idea

In post 6364, mastina wrote:What if I said that if I were to actually give a guess as to who she hid behind my guess would be you?

In post 6364, mastina wrote:What if I said that if I were to actually give a guess as to who she hid behind my guess would be you?

In post 6366, Titus wrote:Fire loses his vote to get the governor...how convienent with someone studying VCA here.

In post 6366, Titus wrote:Alisae suggests a Firewagon,

In post 6364, mastina wrote:the source of my scumread on him from that game

In post 6101, mastina wrote:

In post 6079, Alisae wrote:I'm more interested in why krazy in particular

Simple.
Exercise.
Take a look at literally any Krazy towngame this year.
What is he doing in those games?

Scumhunting a plenty. Active, giving content, giving reads. Doesn't matter what the pace of the game is, doesn't matter what's happening in his life, doesn't matter how V/LA he is. He has contributed content, reads, reasons, to all of them. Sometimes with a slow start, but he's always giving eventually and it's always good, solid stuff with good reasoning, good logic, sound stances that even if they aren't correct you can follow and understand the logic behind him having taken those stances, and these stances are based around players' content and him commenting on them.

Exercise.
Take a look at the majority of Krazy's scumgames this year.
What is he doing in those games?
Pretty much jackshit. When he does contribute, a lot of his content as scum revolves around mechanics and theorizing about what those mechanics mean for the game.

Now tell me.
Which of those two resembles his play this game?

THAT is why Krazy is scum.

In post 6335, Krazy wrote:Right now it feels like that's the conclusion she reached because that's the order she decided to put names in in her reads list and now that Ari and jjh are dead she feels compelled to continue going up the list regardless of anything else that happens in the game.