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Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:31 pm**

Cheeky, are you thinking GMo/S_S/T3?

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:32 pm**

Plus whomever I guess.

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:33 pm**

In post 6328, Gamma Emerald wrote:He was a weird governor-bodyguard hybrid thing from what I gathered

Did he have any abilities that would be useful to scum?

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:35 pm**

In post 6344, Taly wrote:
NANCY
, THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP COMPELS YOU

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:35 pm**

Hmm, not sure if "scummier" but i dont like how Loftwing first admits to not playing the game and now says that Titus, who's already dead, is suspicious.
Not knowing what happened in WB doesnt make this easier, so it's hard to name someone

objectively

scummier, all i've gathered from your end is that there's at least 1 scum in WB and that T3 is likely GMo's partner due to some neighborhood stuff, and that you think deimos is scum due to VCA (Speaking of can you explain how you got to that conclusion? i'm not very good at VCA and everytime i used it, it backfired)

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:55 pm**

In post 6350, Galron wrote:Cheeky, are you thinking GMo/S_S/T3?

Deimos/SS/T3

GMo and Vic have already flipped red.
~C

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:04 pm**

VCA is like divining tea leaves. It's not a method you can explain to others.
~C

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:13 pm**

In post 6345, Cheeky Wings wrote:BUT you tmi'd on Vic by saying JJH was her buddy when JJH was pushing GMo.

What

I Never Said Jjh Was Scum I Townread Him Up Until He Died

I Don't Understand What You're Trying To Argue Or Why It Would Be Scum Indicative

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:36 pm**

Mhmm.
~C

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:53 pm**

Are You Going To Explain It Then Or What

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:16 pm**

Spoiler:

In post 3099, Something_Smart wrote:Taly Are You Serious Right Now

This Is Literal Spam I Expect Better From One Of My Favorite Subjects

In post 3383, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3380, Loftwing wrote:So yeah GMo is a liar then.
At Least

Possibly A Traitor But Certainly A Troll

In post 3438, Something_Smart wrote:I Refuse To Believe That Victorine Has A Post Restriction That Prevents Them From Playing The Game If That's What You're Implying GMo

Well I Say That But Not Known 15.0 Does Exist

But My Post Restriction Is Not That Bad Annoying Though It Is

In post 3499, Something_Smart wrote:Personally I Think That The Proportionally Most Likely Combination Is Victorine Being: Loyal And GMo Being: A Traitor

I Do Not Have Much Experience With Either But GMo Feels More Like Trying To Reach Out To And Pocket A Loyal Subject Under Pressure Than Saving An Ally

In post 3560, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3543, Victorine wrote:I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.
Is That All

Why Did You Make So Many Other Cryptic Posts Then

This Shifty Attitude Is No Good If You Want To Remain One Of My Subjects

In post 3568, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3562, Deimos27 wrote:Guys wanna wagon jjh after all
No

In post 3581, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3570, GrandpaMo wrote:jjh might be town for this shitty push
I Think If Jjh Is A Traitor It Is More Likely With Victorine

What Better Way To Distance From A Flailing Partner Than To Accuse Someone Else Of Distancing From A Flailing Partner

I Think His Contributions Have Been Pretty Nice So Far However

In post 3875, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3866, Deimos27 wrote:I highly doubt Mo would fake such a weird trigger sentence for their vig
If they were reaction testing they'd go for believable
Sounds Like That's Exactly What He Did

In post 4077, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4045, Datisi wrote:i want to say jjh is townie but i have no idea what his scumgame actually is like so i am a but paranoia there
I Basically Feel The Same Way

In post 4183, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4178, Taly wrote:I don't understand the votes on
Vic
from people who also scumread
Ircher
.

If anything
Ircher
is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.
Ircher Is Actually Playing The Game Though

In post 5680, Something_Smart wrote:Killing Gypyx Here Makes No Sense Especially When Victorine Is Still Alive And Still Useless

HEAL: Gypyx

In post 5681, Something_Smart wrote:Has Victorine Even Claimed Their Action

There Are Multiple People With Easy Flavors To Guess There Is No Excuse For Not Getting It Right

In post 6339, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6329, Cheeky Wings wrote:I'm trying to say that you knew Vic and GMo were scum when you tried to chainsaw JJH and you voted ratmans and Ircher over Vic when Vic was in your poe D1. It all looks pretty obvious in hindsight since we know some alignments now.
~C
Yeah Totally That's Why I Switched To Victorine Three Pages Later And Never Voted Ircher

Did You Even Read My Iso Before Posting This

In post 6357, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6345, Cheeky Wings wrote:BUT you tmi'd on Vic by saying JJH was her buddy when JJH was pushing GMo.
What

I Never Said Jjh Was Scum I Townread Him Up Until He Died

I Don't Understand What You're Trying To Argue Or Why It Would Be Scum Indicative

Besides literally PoE and having stronger reasons to tr others, there is actually nothing scummy in your ISO, so help us find the scum SS, if it isn’t you and rn, I’m weakly leaning to it not being you.

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:22 pm**

I Am Going To See If I Can Get Back Into This Game Tomorrow

No Promises Though The Post Restriction Is Definitely Not Helping

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:48 pm**

Spoiler:

So you have a very clear difference between how Datisi expresses a decisive strong tr on us, contrasted with Deimos who’s also seeming to tr us but being extremely hedgey about that read.

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:14 pm**

Spoiler:

In post 2830, Deimos27 wrote:Mo thinks Galron uber scummy
I think they're maybe one or two hair's breadths +scum
What say you

In post 2903, Deimos27 wrote:I'd rather not vote Galron for now

In post 2925, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 2913, Galron wrote:
In post 2911, Deimos27 wrote:I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me
So what's scummy about me?
Asking questions whose answers you openly admit not to having read, generally refusing to keep up with the game, refusing to make reads, feeling tonally adversarial throughout, finally posting some superficial one sentence per player analysis

My first impression is that scum wouldn't play like this, though there is a chance you just have gargantuan balls

In post 2998, Deimos27 wrote:So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

In post 3001, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 2999, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 2998, Deimos27 wrote:So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

stop copying me >:(
I said it first!
Tstbs
If anything you're copying me

In post 3066, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3051, Victorine wrote:Morning

Ni
Give me one reason why you should not die for being utterly useless

In post 3131, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3116, jjh927 wrote:Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine
You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

In post 3134, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3131, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3116, jjh927 wrote:Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine
You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them
Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is
obvious
.

In post 3239, Deimos27 wrote:Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming

In post 3242, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3224, jjh927 wrote:While we're at it though- Ircher-

Do you think there might be a reason why scum!Yume could get excited about a scum role PM? Perhaps in a upick where you can pick anything? Where she picked a character she likes?

That is, if you actually believe she is excited about her role PM because I really don't believe she's done anything to justify that stance of yours

In post 3227, jjh927 wrote:I actually think faking a post restriction in order to avoid the thread is the opposite of being excited about the role PM you have received
mindmeld

In post 3243, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3241, Good Luck Buddy wrote:
In post 3239, Deimos27 wrote:Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming
Join the dream team
I've been on it since time immemorial

In post 3246, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3240, Good Luck Buddy wrote:
In post 3237, Deimos27 wrote:Conclusion: Ircher indeed feels more shade-throwy and adversarial than normal towngame (on sample size of 1)
not to immediately disprove u but i think thats just ircher personality dependent on environment. i don't know how much reading into the kinds of reactions he is giving is useful.
'Tis possible
In any case I feel he's scummier for me than he used to be at least
I'd have voted him if the Victorine wagon hadn't blown up
Am considering it even now

In post 3247, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3245, Good Luck Buddy wrote:
In post 3243, Deimos27 wrote:I've been on it since time immemorial
and i literally asked u for a scumread 2 pages ago smh

What kind of salesman ship u doing
Well I'm not actually confident in the Victorine scumcase I think this "fear" hypothesis is pretty speculative
This was a placeholder vote aiming at pressuring them into actually playing the game

In post 3248, Deimos27 wrote:Victorine is anti-town and I think limming them is +equity in a vacuum
But we do not play in a vacuum, if I have a strong enough sr elsewhere I want to go for them instead

In post 3257, Deimos27 wrote:I explained why I was voting Victorine last page
The obvious conclusion is that I have not achieved sufficient confidence on any SR to outweigh the value I perceive on pressuring Victorine slot
I am very seriously weighing Ircher rn though
Might have another look-see at Gamma too right after I finish a few more econ exercises

In post 3562, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 3531, jjh927 wrote:-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script
Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

Deimos is very hedgey in his read on Galron.

Deimos’ progression is super hedgey on Vic to suddenly wanting to flip jjh.

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:25 pm**

Spoiler:

Possibly interesting associatives with Mo?

Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:57 pm**

A reminder to everyone about GLB.

GLB has been possibly pro-scum at every single opportunity.
Sheeping on Victorine and "pushing" for towncred without really pushing Victorine.
Switching to Ircher when it seemed opportune.
Pushing Gypyx instead of Victorine Day 2.
Pushing me+T3 as a 1v1 with me

preferred

; whilst being totally scummy on a might be scum but lets go somewhere else read on GMO on Day 3.

At this point I want to see why people are NOT scumreading GLB.
If you have reasons to townread GLB, bring them here, to this thread, as detailed as possible.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:30 am**

I've played with

Fire

for years and I've never seen him hyperpost or engage like this as scum before. I don't know how he can pull this much interest out of his ass unless his WIM and perspective is honest.

I see the points you've made but scumsiding and scum alignment are not quite equal.

I also think

Fire

resisting a townread on me D1 was natural given that I have the reputation of an otherwise dangerous player.

I cam see a world where I'm hard pocketed by scum

Fire

but it feels so distant because his play and my play in here is an outlier compared to the rest of our games relatively speaking.

I also don't think he so quickly scumclaims with me in memes if he were actually scum. His play is just too ballsy for me to think it's Mafia. I know that's not the beat justification but it is what makes the most sense.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:39 am**

fire

am I pocketed by u

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:45 am**

You say that his play is an outlier. This suggests that it is not his town meta einher, correct?

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:50 am**

I remember

Fire

as more active and aggressive as town but not to this degree

So my read on him here is not entirely meta, yes.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:24 am**

His play also fits with scum trying to hold a bad team together while trying to survive. Scum backed into a corner is an explanation for an unusually agressive or active playstyle. We flipped two scum already and both were under suspicion by jjh day 1.
Memeing being scum with you does not sound AI for me, here. If it is an obvious meme, why would it?

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:41 am**

GLB also defended GMO against a cheeky push in the day 3 thread, before GMO was caught.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:25 am**

Anything uPick: Votecount 4.263

T3 (3):

Ydrasse

, Deimos27
Deimos27 (3): Cheeky Wings, Good Luck Buddy, Taly
Loftwing (1): Gamma Emerald
Not Known 15 (0):
Gypyx (0):

Sakura Hana

(0):
Galron (0):
Good Luck Buddy (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Taly (0):
Clemency (0):
Cheeky Wings (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Ydrasse (0):

Not Voting: Gypyx, Sakura Hana, Clemency, T3, Something_Smart, Galron, Loftwing, Not Known 15

With 14 alive it's 8 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-21 21:00:00).

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:46 am**

Repeal the First Amendment

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:20 am**

In post 6371, Not Known 15 wrote:GLB also defended GMO against a cheeky push in the day 3 thread, before GMO was caught.

Ya know, this is the kind of things I wish people would tell me about the western block.

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