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Ok start drinking water now we don't wanna go overboard

Bork needs a shot

I really hoped that AA9 would talk to me.

AA9's feels more like scum as time goes one. To the point that I think that she is scum.

But the repeated self votes feels like maybe she is the non-corrupter scum ?

Is it possible that we live in a Annie+AA9 world, and that is why AA9 decided self voting was better then joining the Annie wagon?

That was my concern, and why I wanted to see if AA9 would talk about the Annie wagon, but she appears to have dipped :/

I will talk about my wagon I love to talk about my wagon

Do it

I’m just frustrated bc like look at my iso there’s some pristine fucking obvtown there but it’s still not enough and like I get it paranoia bc I was paranoid too but at the same time like… dude

The mech makes sense for aa9 but playstyle makes sense for manatee but everyone’s just like yolo vote Annie instead of trying to engage the read more. At least Medea and Luke were consistent but Dunn’s breaking my heart

I mean everyone else is kinda falling where I expected except manatee but I have this wifom she’s waiting for the hammer on me so fuck if I know

But like even though I understand I’m the universal scumread today it’s really out of left field and annoying I’m the only one bothered by it

Like yeah I’ve been bitter af and snarky af bc unwnd showed me the light but like, come the fuck on

Being obvtown didn’t fucking work. Maybe being snarky will

“Notty why are you focused more on being townie than killing scum”

Bc I’m good at both but we all know which I’m stronger at and the last chance at this game is if I can lean into it

i dont really think youre scum

I mean that’s nice and all but you aren’t one of the ones voting me who should know better

In post 6375, Spiffeh wrote:Actually

I'm tipsy enough to be brave here. AA9 just makes so much sense as corrupter to me. Corrupter didn't act Night 1 (that we know of). She was demonized Night 1. Corrupter began acting Night 2. AA9 has spent literally the whole game "misunderstanding" the set up or self-voting. She is self-voting now. It is on her if this is wrong.

I have been townreading Annie this whole game. If notty is scum here it is his best scum game of all time. I'm also comforted by the fact that ffery and Bell also town read Annie. I don't love Annie's play today but I just can't shake AA9 as a scum read anymore if she won't even help herself.

If I'm wrong I'm sorry. I hope you all don't hate me if scum quick hammers and it's their winning lim


^^^^ I was gonna vote AA9 with this post

VOTE: Arcangel9

Orlok Dracule

Human Vanilla Townie / Demonic Vanilla Townie

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

What? Bael? How about you get the hell out of my castle so I can read in peace?

...It’s not actually my castle? Whatever, I’ve still got all these books. You want to borrow a book? You’d better return it within a week.

Or we’re going to have a

problem

Abilities:

None

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Harry

Human Vanilla Townie / Demonic Vanilla Townie

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

A farmer from Arvantville, Harry not only survived the initial demon attack, but remained in town during the aftermath, hoping to restore the town to its once prosperous state, one crop at a time.

Abilities:

None

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Anne

Human Vanilla Townie / Demonic Town Unknown Backup

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

Anne is a villager rescued by the combined alchemist and church forces arriving in Arvantville after the recent demon attack. While more seasoned personnel storm the castle, Anne is more than happy to help look after the shops in town.

Abilities:

Demonic - I'm helping! [????] (Backup)

- You are a backup to a particular ability. When a player with this ability flips AND you are currently

Demonic

(these events may happen in any order), you will gain that ability for yourself and be informed of what it is at that time.

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

(Anne inherits powers from Dominique when killed)

Zangetsu

Human Vanilla Townie / Demonic Town Macho Deathseeking Bodyguard

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

Zangetsu is a demon hunter by trade, and has tangled with Bael’s servants in the past. Knowing the current incident is another attempt to revive him, Zangetsu infiltrates the castle in Arvantville, eager to cut down every last demon he finds.

Abilities:

Demonic - Unquellable Rage [Macho] (Passive, Night)

- You may not be protected from a kill by any protective ability.

Demonic - Legacy of the Zangetsuto [Deathseeking Bodyguard] (Active, Night)

- Select a target. If your action is successful, and your target would otherwise be killed, your target will survive and you will be killed instead. If you die protecting a target from a kill, you will revert to

Human

on death. If you die in any other way, this will not happen.

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Benjamin

Human Town Demon-phobic Hider / Demonic Vanilla Townie

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

Benjamin somehow has found himself trapped inside the castle in Arvantville! And what’s more, it seems that he has, on several occasions, ended up inside a wall, cave, or other structure with no exit- no doubt the work of the wild magic that infests the castle. Well, hopefully someone comes along soon to rescue him!.

Abilities:

Human - How did I get myself into this? [Demon-phobic Hide] (Active, Night)

- Select a target. You will hide behind this target at night. Any kills that target you will fail, but any kills that target your hide target will also resolve as a kill that targets you (and will be resolved separately). If you successfully hide behind

Demonic,

player you will not be able to use this ability on subsequent nights, and will be informed of this if it occurs.

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Gebel

Human Town Medium / Demonic Town Reflexive Rolecop

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

Gebel, a shardbinder, currently possesses the Book of Logaeth and, to the casual observer, seems to be the one responsible for the appearance of the castle in Arvantville as well as the demonic attack on the town itself. Yet, inside the recesses of Gebel’s own mind, a different truth lives, waiting for someone both willing and able to discover it.

Abilities:

Human - Lucid Dream [Medium] (Passive, Night)

- At the end of every night, you will be given a list of role names (not character names) that visited you that night.

Demonic - Waking Nightmare [Reflexive Rolecop] (Passive, Night)

- At the end of every night, you will be given a list of player & role names (player names will be matched with role names. No character names) that visited you that night.

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Rul’sha

Human Vanilla Townie / Demonic Town Introverted Doctor

Initial Shards: 2 (Demonic)

One second, Rul’sha was hanging out in...well, wherever demons hung out when they weren’t being sucked into interdimensional portals to peaceful little farming hamlets, and the next she was stuck in a castle with not only several more of her own vicious kind, but a band of marauding demon hunters massacring anything in their way! Maybe if she doesn’t attack them, they’ll leave her in peace?

Abilities:

Demonic - Live and Let Live [Introverted Doctor] (Active, Night)

- Select a target. If your action is successful, your target will be protected from any attempt to kill them that same night. If you are visited by any other player the same night, your action will automatically fail. You will not be notified if this occurs.

Win Condition:

The Castle Banished

: All Mafia aligned players have been eliminated.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Dominique

Human Mafia Demon Vanillaizer & Shard Destroyer

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

An exorcist for the church, Dominique lost her faith when her parents were killed by demons. Desiring the power of a god for herself, Dominique pretends to assist the banishment ritual by collecting and destroying demonic shards, but in secret keeps the shards for herself, furthering her true dark objectives of summoning the Demon Lord Bael.

Abilities:

Dark Alliance [Mafia]

- You are a member of the Mafia and may talk to your partners here, and, at night, elect a member to perform either a single factional kill OR assign two shards to any combination of living players.

Zealotry [Cannot be turned] (Passive)

- You are completely immune to corruption and may not be turned

Demonic

, no matter how many shards you receive.

Exorcize [Vanillaize & Destroy Shards] (Active, Night)

- Select a target. If that target is

Demonic,

they will be stripped of all powers permanently (Become Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon) and will lose all of their shards. They also will be informed of this. Otherwise, nothing happens.

Win Condition:

Rise of Bael

: The number of living Mafia players equal or exceed the number of living Town players.

-OR-

The number of current

Demonic

players (living or dead) of any alignment is equal to

nine

or more.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Bloodless

Human Mafia Auto-Corrupting Goon / Demonic Mafia Corruptor & Semi-permanent Tracker

Initial Shards: 0 (Human)

A vampire who lives in the castle summoned to Arvantville, Bloodless cares about little more than her next meal. As such, she is aching to find humans to sink her teeth into so that her powers can continue to grow.

Abilities:

Dark Alliance [Mafia]

- You are a member of the Mafia and may talk to your partners here, and, at night, elect a member to perform either a single factional kill OR assign two shards to any combination of living players.

Human: Demonic Soul [Auto-shard] (Passive, Night)

- You automatically gain two shards at night.

Demonic: Bite [Corrupt and semi-permanently track] (Active, Night)

- Select a target. If successful, and your target is

Human

, you will apply the "Corrupted" effect. When applied, the affected target will take one fewer shard to become a demon from now on than they normally would. This effect can only be applied once per player. In addition, that night and every night thereafter, you will learn the name of any player they targeted at night, until such a time as you revert to Human form. However, if your target is

Demonic

or your action fails, you will revert to

Human

(losing all of your shards in the process).

Win Condition:

Rise of Bael

: The number of living Mafia players equal or exceed the number of living Town players.

-OR-

The number of current

Demonic

players (living or dead) of any alignment is equal to

nine

or more.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.

Ok, great, it's over, you're free, and since I haven't been living under a rock for the past two weeks, I'm acutely aware of the general mood regarding the game. Honestly, all feedback is good feedback as long as it's something I can act on, so I promise everyone will have plenty of time to get the last word about everything and anything regarding things you liked, or (mostly), didn't.

But I'm going to get the first:

I sincerely appreciate everyone sticking with this, even when they were very obviously unhappy with the way the game was designed and played out. Not having to replace anyone is a really rare thing and you made the game very easy for me to run, even if hard to watch because I knew this conversation was going to have to happen postgame.

Now to the elephant in the room: This alternate wincon was a failed experiment for a number of reasons, not the least of which was that I initially designed the game for scum to want to start out using kills early game, and only resort to the alternate wincon if they weren’t able to make kills happen due to the high amount of protective roles in the game once they got activated. However, the scumteam correctly realized that they could basically blitz the alternate wincon with no regard to the primary one, and due to a lot of late stage evolutions of the setup I basically just failed to notice this. That’s entirely on me and for that I’m more than willing to apologize.

Hopefully in this light it’s a little easier to see why the initial demon target number was so low, and some roles appear fairly worthless (medea, spiffeh) and some a little questionably designed (lld) - in a game that started with nightkills, my expectation would’ve been that scum may have lost some NKs early due to town awarding shards to players that asked for it, and scum countering that either by vanillazing away roles they didn’t want to deal with it or blitzing toward the alternate condition late game. I think the bloodless role made ignoring NKs entirely way too easy.

I don’t necessarily think the scum BP role was inherently unfair (i specifically thought the comparison to my earlier mistake in the touhou game I ran was maybe a little much), and I’m a fan of anti-swing measures in general, but people hated it, and since I interested in reviewing for fun, well, message received on that one.

Otherwise I’m not sure what to say -- it’s rare that I have an experience where both teams are just livid the whole time and despite being reasonably confident that this would be a nice “medium complexity mechanic” and it just ended up being a nightmare for everyone involved.

If anyone has any more targeted feedback, I’m glad to listen at this time, although I’d appreciate people assuming at the very least that I made a good faith attempt to provide a good experience and am not “trolling the players”, which is not something I’d ever do in a real forum game.