Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think the detriment for scum was that they had too many people they needed to kill since there were obvious PRs that needed to be taken out, and still had to get past the bulletproofs and what not. Like, I think almost every kill they made had to be that kill, (except I think they erred killing RC over tictac, even though they didn't know mastina was about to clear RC).

I doubt it would have mattered, both were sucky kills.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually was aware mastina had basically cleared RC after MB flipped which was exactly why I chose to kill RC

[mastina]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FFXIV Role PM
Date: Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:19 pm
From: GuyInFreezer
To: mastina

Warrior of Light

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Warrior of Light (

Eorzean 1-shot Universal Backup 1-shot Raid Leader

)

Ability:

• Job Change:
  Once a game, you may PM the mod to job change to one of the eliminated town role during the night.
  
• Raid Leader:
  Once a game, if you are in the raid, you may PM the mod to make the raid 100% succeed.

Win Condition:

• All hostile factions are eliminated

Success bonus for raid participants:

gains 1-shot for applicable roles

Question.

If I use Raid Leader on this raid, does that mean I get another Raid Leader?

Raid Leader is a 1-shot ability and the raid success bonus is a +1 to x-shot roles, so this is important to ask.

Yes

Questions about the job change:
-Do I lose Raid Leader if I use the Job Change ability? (Basically, how thorough is the job change? Is it completely and totally making me into that role losing all of my prior abilities, or are they added onto the abilities I already have?)

-Do I lose Job Change if I use the Job Change ability? (It says 'once a game', but I am gaining a +1 so I should have two uses of it, this is asking if I use one would I still have access to the other. Basically, same basic question as above.)

-If I can use Job Change twice, do the roles accumulate? (Say I use Job Change on a Cop and Job Change again on a Doctor. Am I still the Cop while also a Doctor, or do I become just the Doctor?)

-Do I inherit the entire role of the player I job change on, or just one ability?

-Is my use of the role I inherit from job change unlimited, or is it 1-shot? (For instance, if I inherit a full Cop, am I then a full Cop or am I a 1x cop?)

-If I job change onto an x-shot role, do I get all of their shots, or only however many they had remaining? (For instance, if I inherit a 2x Cop that used one shot, do I get two cop shots or just one?)

You don’t lose raid leader.
I don’t know what I was on when I wrote that role PM but intended way of how that role works is that you gain 1-shot of the dead townie’s role when you use it. Yeah I know. Now that I look at it it doesn’t mention that at all.

So let’s say there’s a 4-shot cop who died. If you use your job change, you keep your role and gain a 1-shot cop to use. You inherit the 1-shot version of the entire role. So if the dead cop was macho you would be macho until you job change again. Gained role can be stacked with Garuda raid bonus.

tl;dr you gain 1-shot of active role, you keep passive until you job change again.

I think I get it.
It adds onto my existing role, I get the entire new role but can only use one shot of an active, I keep any passives, and actives stack but passives do not. (So if I backed up a Bulletproof Cop and backed up a Weak Doctor, I'd keep a 1x of the cop and lose the BP but also get a 1x of the doctor and gain the passive of being Weak, as a hypothetical.)

Do I have that basically right?

You’ll lose the shots you didn’t spend.

Pending an answer to this question,

will not be taking the role

, but need to ask:

How does the scum taking a role interact with my backing up of a role?

Do I back up the initial pre-stolen role (meaning, the original role, meaning I still get the powers), or do I get the role after it has been stolen (meaning, the new role, meaning, I get nothing)?

You'd get the stolen role and fail because you cannot take a mafia role.

Right that confirms it then.

I will not be taking a role tonight; I am no-actioning tonight.

Couple more questions.
1: What would happen if I tried to use my backup on Elsa Jay after Elsa had swapped roles?
You said the stolen role is what I'd get if I targeted H1H2 here and it'd fail as I can't get a scum role; is the inverse true as well, that if I target Elsa I would succeed by picking up the stolen role?

Or is it being in possession of scum in spite of being originally town, make it count as a scum role?

2: Per rule 2 in the rules for raids, where raids fail if not enough players are on them, if I am on a raid without enough players and use my raid-success ability, will I cause a raid to succeed?

Consider like this.

You can’t take H1H2 role because it’s [mafia role].
You can’t take Elsa’s role because it’s mafia [role].

And yes you can force a raid to succeed in any circumstances unless you were eliminated.

Another important role question:
Per what you've established previously, my backup needs to be used during the night.

My question is, can I use the role immediately that night, or do I need to wait until the next night?

For instance, if N4 I copied Momrangal's role, would I be able to use it N4, or would I need to wait until N5?

Next night.

jsyk picking up an inventor will give you 1-shot of giving devices each.
(1-shot strongwill giver, 1-shot commute giver)

So I pick up two for the price of one, effectively?

Another question.

Can I back up a role on the same night I use another role?

For instance, tonight, can I use the commute-or-strongwill AND pick up the 1x cop, or am I forced to choose?



Additionally:
If I back up an x-shot role that used up their shots, do I get 0 shots or x-shot?
If I back up an x-shot role that GAINED shots, do I get their gained amount or their original amount?

1. You're not multitasking so no
2. You get 1-shot.
3. You get 1-shot.

Important question; can my obtaining a role be roleblocked?
It's technically a night action per my role PM, but I figure I should ask this finally. (I didn't want to know the answer earlier in the game, but now it's actually important to know.)

Yes

Question.
Can I back up the same role twice?
As in, tonight, could I back up Romance again and would I get another cop shot from it?

Yes

(I probably didn't ask all the questions I should have, honestly.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Ah yes my English really need to be checked because I feel like it’s getting worse every day

[Nancy Drew 39]

So there's good news and bad news.

The bad news is, I don't have any idea who the scum is within {Qrow and Raven, tictac, Dwlee99} (tho if I were forced to have an inclination I'd vote them in that order).
The good news is, it doesn't really matter.

We've got 7 alive now, and enough time for 3 eliminations.
I'm never eliminating Toogeloo here;
I'm never eliminating Tomorrow Corporation here;
I'm almost certainly not eliminating Bell here;
Given I know I am town, that means that even in the worst case scenario, we can just brute force our way to a win by eliminating in the pool of {Qrow and Raven, tictac, Dwlee99}.

If you want me to chose it'd be Qrow and Raven > tictac > Dwlee99 in that order but I'd rather actually leave the choice to someone else and sheep their choice.

VOTE: Raid (not that it matters but still gotta do it as a formality I guess)
HURT: Qrow and Raven
(is a soft-vote)

Mastina, why’d you make this post? Did you not realize we were already hammered?

[mastina]

Mastina, why’d you make this post? Did you not realize we were already hammered?

Me?

Read before posting?

Since when?



(I was 5 seconds too slow on submitting an overkill vote on you tho after I realized there was a hammer.)

[Mandelbrot]

Qrow and Raven, Gaius Van Baelsar (

Garlean Invader Factional Roleswapper Evolving Roleblocker

), was eliminated Day 8.

Spoiler: Role PM

Gaius Van Baelsar

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Gaius Van Baelsar (

Garlean Invader Factional Roleswapper Evolving Roleblocker

)

Ability:

• Ultima Weapon:
  As the operator of Ultima weapon, you gain following abilities when you are in successful raid other than your given standard roleblock ability.
  • Garuda slain:
    gains
    Ninja
    to your role.
    
  • Ifrit slain:
    gains
    Strongarm + Strongwilled
    to your role.
    
  • Titan slain:
    gains
    Combined Rolecop
    .
    
  • All three primals slain:
    Gains a night action to increase Realm danger meter by 1.
• Leader of the Invasion:
  You are too important to lose. Any time before your elimination you may choose a role from your team to sacrifice. When you are eliminated, you will swap a role with the member you have chosen beforehand.
  
• Garlean Linkshell:
  PT be here

Win Condition:

• All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

All

Garlean Invaders

have been eliminated.

Eorzeans

win!

Wow, what a flash of a last Day.

Over before I even caught up, lol.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Also House I crumbed my original role to you

Kinda silly, considering you know I don't crumb hunt.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

GG everyone!

GiF, thanks for having me. Amazing game!

- House

[Mystic Bears]

Good game!

[Gamma Emerald]

Also House I crumbed my original role to you

Kinda silly, considering you know I don't crumb hunt.

- House

Well, would you have been able to confirm it later?

[Gamma Emerald]

I sometimes crumb to sort people but that’s a one-and-done thing where you can only really do it on one person.

[House]

Also House I crumbed my original role to you

Kinda silly, considering you know I don't crumb hunt.

- House

Well, would you have been able to confirm it later?

Idk, where is the post?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: House
Bring back the old signature!

-Qrow

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact I voted you and not “Mandelbrot” was deliberate.

[House]

I fucking KNEW you felt off this game, though!

[House]

VOTE: House
Bring back the old signature!

-Qrow

The fact I voted you and not “Mandelbrot” was deliberate.

Yeah, see, that kind of stuff just goes right over my head.

I don't get it even after you told me that's what you did.

[Gamma Emerald]

The but where cfj said bodyguard was better than doctor in most scenarios
My original plan was to claim BG and just never act because of scars from last time I rolled BG

[Gamma Emerald]

The bit*

[House]

Would've been nice if that was something I could intuit.

If anything, I would have considered it a Roleswapper crumb, so be thankful I don't crumb hunt, I guess?

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, i had a feeling that the ppl that went after Mirio D1 were scum.
Also FFS GIF, way to have an unlimited shot doctor and an unlimited shot strongman at the same time.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and my notes PT is fine to release.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The extremely quick hammer and game end gives me flashbacks to HW, where Sakura instabombed me.

[House]

It's annoying that people were still trying to scumread me after my play this game, lol.

I thought our role was a powerhouse for town, and no way would I give Titus free reign to use her role after her n1 hood posting.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still unsure on STD's role wording stuff, that stuff was weird. I mean the Encryptor thing.