Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Untrod Tripod]

so I actually think that baning me is a solid choice today. the downside of mislynching me is still pretty high, and in all likelihood I'll still be a good choice for the scum kill tonight so that allows you to wait it out until we have some more breathing room for the mislynch if you're still dead set on doing that

otherwise I kind of want to bane mastin or vezok

which also is imo why trying to out the real Alquin if you don't believe me is super fucking sketchy

[Cheetory6]

UT, vezok is probably at the bottom of my list of "I really really think these people are probably town" players.
Can you talk at me about what you're finding suspicious about him? Because I earnestly think the manner in which he's handled singer/Empireslot this game is coming from town and have a hard time seeing scum doing what he did there.

[Untrod Tripod]

well.

no, if we lynch two scum today.

scum can unmake 2 times each given the Viktor PM if I'm remembering correctly

I don't think they can

show me in the PM where it says that

[Cheetory6]

Might. You may use two active or factional abilities each Major Night. However, you may not use the same Active ability more than once.

[Untrod Tripod]

so factional abilities aren't active abilities?

that seems.... dumb

[Untrod Tripod]

Unmake. Match Sign on target player to kill them. Annihilation may submit up to three Unmakes per Major Night. This is a Factional ability.

even if someone can send two, they only get up to three a night

so

I dunno.

anyway this is off into the weeds

[Gammagooey]

I asked hito in-thread about scum using unmake twice each sometime in the first 10 pages of the game, it is 2 each with the 3 total restriction.

I probably should reread a lot of stuff but I also think it would be useful for me to play this game sans gun-in-my-mouth, so maybe later

[Untrod Tripod]

okay, glad you've already asked

...why do you have a gun in your mouth?

[Gammagooey]

so I actually think that baning me is a solid choice today. the downside of mislynching me is still pretty high, and in all likelihood I'll still be a good choice for the scum kill tonight so that allows you to wait it out until we have some more breathing room for the mislynch if you're still dead set on doing that

otherwise I kind of want to bane mastin or vezok

which also is imo why trying to out the real Alquin if you don't believe me is super fucking sketchy

okay

actually what the fuck are you talking about

the bane doesn't do anything meaningful. why are you suggesting baning yourself.

[Gammagooey]

okay, glad you've already asked

...why do you have a gun in your mouth?

compulsive reaction to trying to reread a 250 page game with titus in it

[Untrod Tripod]

Until the end of the next Major Day, target has no vote, takes one less vote to lynch, and does not count as a member of Annihilation for the purpose of counting if the Annihilation win condition has resolved.

I don't see how taking away my vote and making me not count towards the Annihilation wincon until tomorrow isn't a win/win for you?

[Untrod Tripod]

like if you seriously think I'm scum why would you not want to take away my vote and make me hated? especially if you think I'll be hard to lynch?

[Untrod Tripod]

I'M TRYING TO BE A TEAM PLAYER HERE, GAMMA

MEET ME HALFWAY

[Gammagooey]

not counting towards annihilation wincon would only matter if we were at like 9-10 people alive atm with all scum still alive. that's not the case.

taking away your vote for a day doesn't matter. it just doesn't. it just gives you even more of an excuse to be useless. if it's on 4nx at least he can just get lynched faster and speed up some shit.

[Untrod Tripod]

hey

I don't NEED an excuse to be useless

[Gammagooey]

Hey Cheet

I think it's pretty clear that Titus didn't expect to die last night, and I pretty strongly think that she would have kept trying to keep 4nx alive today and that the kills of TTH and Oversoul, although they were also both pretty much obvtown, would have made it much harder to lynch 4nx. Your thoughts?

[Cheetory6]

Like..
The trouble I'm having right now is that this entire game Titus has been hard-defending that slot and throwing shade on anything and everything that would suggest that it's scum.
That matches her MO of scum-scum interactions.
I just don't know if she would break that MO as a huge setup to make herself look better if 4nx flipped town.
That's my only hesitation at this point.
That and mastin-related things but I mean that's probably just getting petty at this point.

[Gammagooey]

I don't think she ever really thought 4nx would flip at all before lategame. If you think it's possible it was a super-long con then *shrug* but she definitely didn't intend to have 4nx flip today either if she was still alive.

[Cheetory6]

While you're probably right, it also concerns me that mastin could be scum and Titus could have been trying to protect her scumlist from flipping?
Maybe?
I just feel like there's all kinds of weirdness around those interactions that make me feel uncertain in general.

[Untrod Tripod]

mastin is a good bet for scum

[Gammagooey]

eh

even if mastin is scum there's still two more and not lynching someone so a scumbuddy's scumlist doesn't flip is a reeeeal big stretch.

I do want everyone to pop in with their opinions before ultimately hammering in the Choice but I feel like this is pretty much as good of a chance at actually getting the positive end of that choice as we could ever theoretically get. And yeah don't

just

take my word for it because I'm the type of player that's willing to take big risks if the player is scummy enough but do seriously think about whether any of the possibilities you're coming up with for 4nx being town are actually likely.

[Untrod Tripod]

I did think it was a reasonable claim, but I find it super fucking fishy that Viktor flipped, and that person was heavily defending 4nx

I wasn't planning on presenting possibilities for 4nx town because I don't think it's super likely

[Cheetory6]

Like, I don't think we shouldn't lynch 4nx.
I just don't think we should get into a circlejerk of "HES OBVSCUM" and we should at least think a little bit about it first.
I have no qualms with baneing him in the meantime though.

Bane: 4nxiety

UT, I'd still appreciate you talking at me about your vezok read in more detail if you can.

[singersigner]

I don't think she ever really thought 4nx would flip at all before lategame.

If you think it's possible it was a super-long con then *shrug* but she definitely didn't intend to have 4nx flip today either if she was still alive.

This.

@Cheetory...you realize that with the numbers Titus was crunching (which I have no reason to doubt were true though I can't be fucked to look back at it), she was playing for the blitz? There's no doubt in my mind that she was trying to keep the whole scum team alive for the quick win in the next two nights. Part of that probably involved getting a quick lynch on UT (and possibly even CDB though I have to see his results first), but that's just my theory. I still think he's town and have no reason to doubt the claim as I think there are only one or two viable counter-claims which haven't been made yet despite suggesting it might be an opportune time to do so.

Also of note, her lackluster defense of FF despite having literally no reason so do so compared to players like Aronis whom she wanted blood like nobody's business. Note how neither of those wagons (4nxi3ty or FF) happened under her watch specifically because of her defense of them (well more so 4nxi3ty than FF, but seriously she was strawmanning the fuck out of FF).

[Cheetory6]

I mean, I'm not disagreeing with what you guys are saying.
I just like being cautious and thinking about things instead of rushing. It's how I am. q.q