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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:27 pm
by Firebringer
In post 6473, Deacon Blues wrote:
I am so incredibly certain that dandelion is town. I reserve the right to have a paranoid meltdown because it is day 3 after all, but every sane neuron in my brain says they're town.
I think ur the town ones now so better prepare for the paranoid meltdown
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:27 pm
by Firebringer
Good night skitter!
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:28 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
I'll look forward to reading that tomorrow then.
Don't forget! I won't.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:29 pm
by Firebringer
If i had a gun to my head right now asked to name scum on this side i would probably say: dandelion, skitter, midwaybear, and maybe almost50
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:33 pm
by Firebringer
Brian really did a number on other thread from turning everyones universal townread on Titus slot into a scum read slot and then us lynching SS here.
Like im still baffled at what transpired yesterday. I now know how imperium felt when we lynched Flavor leaf.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:33 pm
by petapan
In post 6465, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:But here's a question for you: Do you think that the SB9-LLD interaction from day 1 was S-S?
Is that your current stance?
i think it's plausible
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:36 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
That's pretty wishy washy.
I want you to elaborate on that. Like, right now you're calling SB9 your most confident scum, right? am I wrong about that?
and so I'm asking, for you to really nail this down for me. If it's plausible, in what way?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:37 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 6478, Firebringer wrote:If i had a gun to my head right now asked to name scum on this side i would probably say: dandelion, skitter, midwaybear, and maybe almost50
You've maaaaaaaaaaaybe named one scum in that group IMO.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:38 pm
by Firebringer
In post 6482, Deacon Blues wrote: In post 6478, Firebringer wrote:If i had a gun to my head right now asked to name scum on this side i would probably say: dandelion, skitter, midwaybear, and maybe almost50
You've maaaaaaaaaaaybe named one scum in that group IMO.
I would have named 2 but didn't feel like adding my name
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:39 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
anyway I'm having some dissociation so i might get high and call it a night.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:39 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
Dunn, I see you wrt pooky and it's on the list.
Trust.
Anyone got anything before I slip into weed edibles
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:40 pm
by Firebringer
LLD do u scumread pooky?
I don't feel it anymore and i don't know if it has to do with his affable nature getting to me.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:44 pm
by petapan
In post 6481, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
That's pretty wishy washy.
I want you to elaborate on that. Like, right now you're calling SB9 your most confident scum, right? am I wrong about that?
and so I'm asking, for you to really nail this down for me. If it's plausible, in what way?
yeah.
what do you mean in what way? that you'd stage a fight with your teammate early day 1 to get townread? because yeah you'd do that
but even independtly i just don't townread you as much as other people
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:48 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 6486, Firebringer wrote:LLD do u scumread pooky?
I don't feel it anymore and i don't know if it has to do with his affable nature getting to me.
I consider myself the person most comfortable with Pooky in this game.
Day 1 I would have bet a lot he was scum.
Day 2 I wanted to give him space to prove me wrong cause the demotivation was super weird for him. He made a semi decent post and I had better things I think needed to be dead.
As of right now I lean town, but I am going to be spending a lot of time grilling pooky today to nail it down.
Give me until I get time with pooky and I'll be more definite.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:16 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 5411, Annie Edison wrote:It’s more effective if I can quote stripe it but
A) Cabd is in that list ffery spoke of early on that would LOVE to have the feather in his cap of snowing her in a pt
B) I still feel like bell is town and I feel like Cabd is almost trying to isolate Ffery from us? Like encouraging her paranoia?
C) continuing off b, I hated how yesterday he went and brought up how his read on me was dropping WHILE OUR THREAD WAS LOCKED and then like 4 pages later went “well I wish this came up while the other thread was unlocked” because that was sketchy as fuck.
D) how the fuck can’t he see bell is town
feel like most of this stuff is either hypothetical or also applies to ffery (esp wrt bell and her read on you) but you haven't batted an eye on our slot
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:34 pm
by petapan
annies probably town just from reading the tracker
also sb9 is practically openwolfing
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:48 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I am ready to be grilled and pressed into a sandwich please be gentle.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:53 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 6490, petapan wrote:annies probably town just from reading the tracker
also sb9 is practically openwolfing
yep. forwards thread need to be pressuring him.
our bad for giving him turnstile access. Mie scuse
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:08 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 6369, midwaybear wrote:UNVOTE: skitter
UNVOTE: LLD
UNVOTE: Pooky
Still not sure on Pooky. I need to look at his reads again.
this is so weird
why skitter and LLD?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:56 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 6432, skitter30 wrote:I think there's a decent chance scum!lld brought up the whole idea to turnstile town!ss to get the free misflip
but the default was like SS getting elimed today if I remember which direction the thread was going when she brought it up? was she the first one to bring it up?
Like I don't see the point of scum giving up a mis-elim target especially in a cramped game where everyone is feeling very townie?
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:41 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
did a quick skim through of this game that just ended:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85074
Peta/Mwb/Ico scum team stomped the town and their play looks nothing like what's going on in this game
Though it could be that Peta and Mwb just had like 0 respect for the town in the game so they both decided to straight up open wolf their way thru the entire game balls out.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:41 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
did a quick skim through of this game that just ended:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85074
Peta/Mwb/Ico scum team stomped the town and their play looks nothing like what's going on in this game
Though it could be that Peta and Mwb just had like 0 respect for the town in the game so they both decided to straight up open wolf their way thru the entire game balls out.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:53 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 6486, Firebringer wrote:LLD do u scumread pooky?
I don't feel it anymore and i don't know if it has to do with his affable nature getting to me.
i can to 100% toxic tryhard but it wont be pleasant for anyone and i kind of am trying to turn over a nicer leaf.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:56 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 5244, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Bell
Inverse thread was looking to elim pooky yesterday and then it swerved onto pisskop. You guys should almost certainly elim pooky today and examine what happened yesterday.
@Peta why superbowl9? I'd feel better getting Bell instead of letting him get away again.
I had a really angry response to this written out but for the sake of avoiding thread toxicity I have shortened it to:
No Stop Being Bad
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:52 am
by skitter30
In post 6471, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay, so another empty post from the person who has no real ammo to hit me with, so is hitting the "well scum would prefer to send SS over".
Sure let's just ignore the fact you can't even defend your own argument, which says a lot about it's veracity, and move on to something else.
You think I'm scum with Firebringer here? What are some other reasons you scum read us, that don't involve us scumreading you?
Ok i'm going to take a step back and explain a lot of how i form scumreads. Basically, one thing that i do is look at key moments of the game, figure out where scum are likely to be positioned in the abstract based on the gamestate in that moment in time, and then look for the people who have those positions. That forms a p decent shortlist that usually contains scum. Town also show up, sure - these actions arent *exclusively* likely to come from scum. The trick is that they're *more likely to come from scum than town*, and by focusing your attentions on this shortlist, you're p likely to hit a scum.
In otherwords, what all this means to me is the fact that there's potential town motivation is not super important. What is important is the fact that i think scum are overwhelmingly to take said positions, so if we focus on those people, we'l find scum. There might be a miss or two, but there will, quite simply, be scum in that group of people doing those things.
In this game, a key momement is the fact that i think scum are ridiculously likely to want to try to grab a free miselim if possible. There are multiple indicators that they feel they're in a cushy position, and that things are going well for them - why not try to capitalize on that and get that nice easy free ss misflip? Putting all of this together, this means that we need to look for people who wanted and pushed for turnstiling ss over, and in my mind, you were the catalyst for that happening
I dont know if i inherently think you and fire are partners (although your posts in the past couple of pages do in fact point in that direction), but i scumread you both independantly
You largely for this. I also think the whole 'well i think gamma may have died protecting me' bit you just did was fake because i cant imagine scum choosing to nk you in that position
Fire i think there are very, very few reasons to townread + i think him being scum would help explain scum feeling like they were in a good position going into n1