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CrashTextDummie wrote: I'm tempted to go right back to Fonz for reasons outlined yesterday and his rather questionable hammering post (I don't object to the hammer itself, though it did cut me off from getting a post in when I came online the day of the deadline, but that's mostly my own problem - I had been busy)

What's questionable about it, CTD? I expressed my opposition to the wagon. Given that deadline was a few hours away, there was no other viable wagon. Would you have preferred a no-lynch?

Grimmy coming up scum increases my suspicion of CTD, simply because there's now an obvious reason why 'Fonz appears to be defending Grimmy, vote Fonz' makes sense as an argument to push.

but I suspect we are in lylo, and there's no reason to rush. From memory, i lean towards ac1983fan being pro-town, so I'm looking at scum within the group of Nightfall/DGB/Fonz.

I'd agree with LyLo. Likely 4T, 2S.

ac1983fan wrote:

Zilla wrote:Props to me for causing the unlocking!

Heyyyy I sent a message to StrangerSSK too....

As did I...

Nightfall wrote:

CrashTextDummie wrote:I think it's safe to assume that Jebus had innocent results on Zilla and myself.

Sorry but how do you figure this?

It would be my guess that he investigated Zilla and Ala getting innocents on both (notice he seemed to not want to vote for Ala?), or he investigated Zila and AC and got a guilty on AC? He was voting him for most of yesterday.

Suggesting that you yourself were investigated if the evidence is anything but compelling is scummy.

I would have expected a cop-Jebus with an innocent on Ala to claim yesterday, since an incorrect lynch would put us in LyLo, and the people who looked remotely likely to be lynched were a) Jebus himself and b) Alabaska.

Jebus wrote:Here's my scumlist, in order of scum (top) to town (bottom)
Alabaska J
ac1983fan
Grimmy
Nightfall
pacman281292
Braeden
ooba
Zilla

Really, Braeden and pacman haven't been here enough for me to have a good read on them, so count them as the turning point from towniness to scumminess.

Pacman and Braeden weren't enough around for him to get a good read, yet my predecessor, who was around less than Pacman and certainly didn't give much reason to get a town read on himself (self-vote for one, and lackluster play otherwise, to say the least), made the cut below his "turning point from towniness to scumminess".

He certainly got neither an innocent result on Ala nor a guilty result on AC, or he wouldn't have posted that list. Really, I don't see any way to interpret this list and his explanation of it other than he had innocent results on the bottom two. Feel free to give it a go.

Fonz wrote:What's questionable about it, CTD? I expressed my opposition to the wagon. Given that deadline was a few hours away, there was no other viable wagon. Would you have preferred a no-lynch?

Maybe I didn't make this clear enough. I don't question the fact that you dropped the hammer. I would have done it myself if I had the chance, despite not liking the wagon much either. I view your action of hammering him as strictly neutral since it was in the best interest of both scum and town at that moment in time.

What I do have a rather big problem with is your sweeping statement that you're "suspicious of pretty much everyone on the wagon" whilst you dropped said hammer. That list includes people you hadn't previously commented on at all, much less voiced any suspicion of. Expressing opposition to a wagon is one thing, incriminating everyone one it while hopping on is another.

I admit the possibility that I'm suffering from confirmation bias when it comes to you, which is why I'm going to reread everyone carefully and with as open a mind as I can muster.

The wagon was on a) a claimed powerrole who I b) thought was innocent based on c) shit reasoning as a counterwagon to d) Jebus, who i thought was scum.

No, that's clearly not a reason to be suspicious of it...

Jebus wasn't on the wagon. Grimmy wasn't on the wagon. I wasn't on the wagon. The only person that was actually on the wagon that you've ever voiced any kind of suspicion of before was DGB.

You ended yesterday by declaring on the wagon suspicious, despite the fact that only one of these people was ever remotely scrutinized by you. You begin today by attacking the only person alive that wasn't on the wagon. Maybe if you started qualifying your suspicions properly, I wouldn't find it so horribly inconsistent anymore.

CrashTextDummie wrote:Jebus wasn't on the wagon. Grimmy wasn't on the wagon.

I actually thought both were, fwiw. As it happens, Grimmy was pulling the 'i'll FoS and vote if needed' trick- i read that as a vote.

I wasn't on the wagon.

I didn't suspect you. I thought you were irrational, not scummy. Attacking me did not seem like a particularly sensible move for scum at that point. Grimmy coming up scum has made me reconsider.

The only person that was actually on the wagon that you've ever voiced any kind of suspicion of before was DGB.

Correct. So, DGB, Grimmy, Jebus... and as I've noted before, I comment on who should be lynched. Giving opinions on everyone in the game is not only something i don't do, but something i consider scummy.

The Fonz wrote:Giving opinions on everyone in the game is not only something i don't do, but something i consider scummy.

Is that an admission of guilt? Yesterday you said everyone on the Alabaska wagon was scummy, today you say I am scummy, so that's everyone in the game you've given opinions on.

I'll get back to you once I've reread some other people. I don't find my current back-and-forth with you particularly helpful to my grasp on the game.

Erm... Actually, looking back on it, DGB wasn't voting Alabaska J at the end of the day. She voted the Fonz some time before deadline, and even made it a point to once again revote him when this wasn't reflected in the votecount. Her last vote as evident in her isolated posts was clearly on the Fonz. In her last post of the day, she unambiguously announced that she thought Alabaska J was town.



If the answer is yes, there's some screwy voting manipulation afoot. If the answer is no, none of people The Fonz voices suspicion on was actually on the wagon he declared to be so rotten. Unless there are other inaccuracies I'm not aware of.

Right, since it's LyLo, there's no real downside to this, so I've had enough of your shit, CTD. And for once, I have a remedy other than anger available to me.

The reason I expressed suspicion of Grimmy but didn't wagon him was because no-one else seemed interested in a Grimmy wagon, there was a deadline impending,

The Fonz wrote:Right, since it's LyLo, there's no real downside to this, so I've had enough of your shit, CTD. And for once, I have a remedy other than anger available to me.

The reason I expressed suspicion of Grimmy but didn't wagon him was because no-one else seemed interested in a Grimmy wagon, there was a deadline impending,

and I had a bullet with his name on it.

I take it that is a vig claim?

It's a claim of responsibility for the Grimmy vigging. I'll fullclaim when we massclaim, which will hopefully be soon.

Hello Fonz SK. Probably good to work with you until the mafia's dead then.

I was thinking that AC1982 would look bad if Alabaska was town. He was my main suspect if Alabaska ended up being town, personally. I think the thing to do would be to see how other people reacted to Grimmy pushes, but I'm not in a position to invest the time into that.

Lulz. It'd be a pretty poor SK who didn't kill until N3, no?

The Fonz wrote:Lulz. It'd be a pretty poor SK who didn't kill until N3, no?

When did you replace?

The Fonz wrote:Lulz. It'd be a pretty poor SK who didn't kill until N3, no?

It's also a wifom debate. Personally as a SK, depending on the game, I would either kill every night or if I thought I could pull it off, save killing until needed and claim to be a vig.

Seriously? SKs should never claim vig.

The Fonz wrote:Seriously? SKs should never claim vig.

What else would an SK be able to claim?
Can't claim a townie, because then you get lynched anyway. Can't claim another pr, because you'll get a cc, and even if you lynch the real pr, you die the next day and lose almost certainly. But there isn't usually an sk AND a vig in the same setup, at least definitely not in a mini...

Read any of the Md discussions on the subject.

The Fonz wrote:Read any of the Md discussions on the subject.

I haven't read the discussions. But I do believe I have seen SKs claiming vig.

CrashTextDummie wrote:

Mod:

Can you please clarify if the end-of-the-day vote-count was 100% accurate?

StrangerCoug wrote:

Happy scumday Nightfall!

CrashTextDummie wrote:

Mod:

Can you please clarify if the end-of-the-day vote-count was 100% accurate?

It should be, but if there are any errors, let me know.

DrippingGoofball unvoted Alabaska J, but still appears on his lynch at the end of the day. Just wanted to know if this was a mistake on your part or if this is accurate.

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I'm not really sure why everyone is dwelling on the SK/Vig thing, it seems like a pointless thing to consider in our current situation. Now that there's no more vig to protect, I'm on board with a massclaim and think we should get it over with sooner rather than later.

I'm in favor of popcorn style, and think The Fonz should determine the next person to claim.

CrashTextDummie wrote:

StrangerCoug wrote:

Happy scumday Nightfall!

CrashTextDummie wrote:

Mod:

Can you please clarify if the end-of-the-day vote-count was 100% accurate?

It should be, but if there are any errors, let me know.

DrippingGoofball unvoted Alabaska J, but still appears on his lynch at the end of the day. Just wanted to know if this was a mistake on your part or if this is accurate.

CrashTextDummie wrote:I'm in favor of popcorn style, and think The Fonz should determine the next person to claim.

I support this motion.

My vote is on CTD being next for being the one to suggest it.

Mega-BAWWWWWWWW

This game was getting interesting :3
And sowwy Ala

If it's 2 scum situation, no-lynching might have been a good idea, but now we have a claimed vig (read: SK) who is probably going to be killed tonight, and I don't think eliminating the Fonz does us much good for hunting scum.