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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:54 pm

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And finally:

ZERO!
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:49 pm

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Wow, I've missed a lot.
Kast wrote:I'm doubting the existence of a gunsmith as a town "cop" power. In a game with possible affiliation changes, investigative roles are already weakened. With a confirmation that at least one player has found a revolver, an investigation that is set-up to give potential false positives such as a gunsmith is very unlikely. Oman may have fake claimed the toy monkey as a gunsmith with the knowledge that mafia kill method is shooting.
Frankly, I can't defend against this. I have only my honesty that I had a gunsmith role. Yes, it was weakend, but that is completely fine with me. I don't know about you guys but A) I have nothing against the weakening of cop powers as a standard, and I'm pretty sure Farside agrees with that in some part.

And more importantly B) I would think that powers are designed to have benefit to either side. My monkey would not be useful to any mafia members in the early days. As I said earlier, thats just a thought, not a defence.
PS wrote:Because it just occured to me that Flash Williams, the character who found the Monkey, and hence probably Oman's role, has a clear association with Ash's role, Mdn Zostra, according to the info Kast provided.
What is this association?
kast wrote:As a fake claim, the gunsmith claim is safer than a normal cop claim. It is less common and weaker than a cop, so even if there are other investigative roles, they are less likely to counter claim.
This is probably true. I'm not sure I'd waste a gunsmith claim early though, it would be better in the final two days.
hero wrote:I didn't move my vote because removing a vote from the wagon on KMD would make me the deadline-lynch, and I find KMD scummy. Now that banana has unvoted, that is no longer an issue.
This is totally legit, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
KMD wrote:Yes! Exactly what I've been trying to get you to do.

Deflect: Hero
Activate Time Bomb

Anyone wanna count down the next 6 posts? :twisted:
This is a development.


Until I see where KMD's timebomb takes us, I have no idea where to take this information.


Okay, so I still haven't got my PS stuff done (and fuck you if you call me out for it :P), but I'm still looking at him. Watch him throw stuff on me about role information (the last resort for someone who can't get an actual case on someone). I'd love to hear how Madame Zostra and Flash make so much more sense than anyone else. I mean, really outguessing the mod on flavour? Don't you know any better than to the most rookie move in mafia?


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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:41 am

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Oman, what did the toy monkey do?
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:13 am

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GUNSMITH: Told me if someone carried a gun or not. I think someone told you this earlier, if not just wiki GUNSMITH.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:17 am

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I don't think it was gunsmith. Either that, or the revolver is one-shot killing (which is unlikely because revolvers have multiple chambers). Now we know the dynamite was multi-shot, it makes it much more likely that the revolver, IF it was a killing item, would only be single shot to avoid two items doing exactly the very same thing. I think someone said, too, that the revolver is unlikely to only grant one kill, so it is more likely to be gunsmith. That means that the toy monkey isn't.

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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:54 am

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Unvote, Vote Oman


Banana killed scum. Two gunsmith items in one game doesn't seem plausible. I just vidged Hero unless he is the traitor. If we lynch Oman, we have one more of the three (2 scum, 1 traitor) to find unless the traitor was scum, in which case we'll win anyway.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:12 pm

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Okay, let me ask you this: A) My toy monkey would clang his cymbals if he found someone who had a gun B) How would a revolver help you find out if someone else had a gun C) What else would a toy monkey do? I've never used it to implicate anyone, nor have I used it to defend myself, it would be OH SO FUCKING STUPID to lie about what my item did for no reason. D) How much less does a one-shot-kill-plus-gunsmith-revolver make over two different items that do the same thing. E) Obviously farside doesn't want a lot of power floating around, evidenced by the potects and RBs that are being claimed. Do you think she's likely to have one super-revolver or several weaker items?


Banana, either you still don't get what a gunsmith does, or you misunderstand me and KMD, or you're insane.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:43 pm

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No, it's not a super-revolver, it's either a gunsmith OR a one-shot vig item.
Oman wrote:Okay, let me ask you this: A) My toy monkey would clang his cymbals if he found someone who had a gun B) How would a revolver help you find out if someone else had a gun
Maybe that connection is a bit like a toy monkey and a patio, a bloody room and some adrenaline, or a kitchen and some rope. It's not for me to question the mod.
Oman wrote:C) What else would a toy monkey do? I've never used it to implicate anyone, nor have I used it to defend myself, it would be OH SO FUCKING STUPID to lie about what my item did for no reason.
So obviously you do have a reason, but you're trying to hide it from us. You don't want us to know what the toy monkey really did.

BTW, if anyone hasn't moved rooms yet, they should steal from Oman.

Mod- votecount here plz?
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:20 am

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banana wrote: IF it was a killing item, would only be single shot to avoid two items doing exactly the very same thing. I think someone said, too, that the revolver is unlikely to only grant one kill, so it is more likely to be gunsmith.
banana wrote: It's not for me to question the mod.
THATS ALL YOU'VE BEEN DOING! I could find several instances of you outguessing the mod in the past three pages!


Also, I welcome someone stealing from me if its gonna alleviate banana's head here, all you will find is the book.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:55 pm

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Ok, looks like some really puzzling stuff happened when I wasn't around......

@banana: As usual, I can't make any sense out of your posts. How exactly does a revolver fit as a Gunsmith item? Most of the items and powers claimed so far are fairly straight forward (candles lights up room, adrenaline shots give life/protection from death, dynamites blow up, rope role-blocks/tie people up.....I think....). A Toy Monkey as a Gunsmith
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plausible, I can't see how in the world a revolver can be a gunsmith object.

If I read Kast's post correctly, he was saying that the revolver's existence makes the Gunsmith item dubious, because if a town guy picks it up he'll show up as guilty/miller to the Gunsmith, so it won't be an effective cop item. Which is a valid concern. Oman's claim is suspicious not because there's another Gunsmith item, but the fact that a Gunsmith item is unlikely to be useful in this game.

As for you saying the revolver has to be either Gunsmith or 1-shot killing item.....again I don't know how you arrived at that. A revolver can be multi-shot. It won't be the same as the dynamite, so there's no clashes. If what you said about the mod telling you is true, the dynamite probably targets the ROOM (everyone in the same room as your target dies), while the revolver targets just the player, but can be used on separate Days. There's no clash between the two items, even if the revolver is multi-shot.

@Kmd: What's that time-bomb thing supposed to do? It wasn't in among your claimed items. Is that your own ability, or some other item that you've been hiding from us?


Oman: One day left and still nothing? I'm so glad the wagon's shifted to you.

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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:03 pm

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Oman wrote: C) What else would a toy monkey do? I've never used it to implicate anyone, nor have I used it to defend myself, it would be OH SO FUCKING STUPID to lie about what my item did for no reason.
Okay, it's true that banana is making no sense about the revolver = Gunsmith idea, so I'm not arguing with the rest, but regarding THIS part that I'm quoting:

There are all too many things a Toy Monkey may be able to do, including being a killer. It's one of those items that isn't quite as straight forward as things like revolver.

Yes, you hadn't used it to implicate anyone, but like I said you made a totally pointless claim when you didn't have to. Nobody suspected you of having an item. It didn't matter that you no longer had it, there was still no point in claiming at the time.

It seemed to me that you gave away as a way of deliberately telling town that "Hey, I investigated a scum last night (one who conveniently is already dead), so I'm clearly town." A really suspicious case of trying to proclaim yourself town before major suspicion was even on you.
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:05 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Unvote, Vote Oman


Banana killed scum.
Two gunsmith items in one game doesn't seem plausible.
I just vidged Hero unless he is the traitor. If we lynch Oman, we have one more of the three (2 scum, 1 traitor) to find unless the traitor was scum, in which case we'll win anyway.
Hold on, you
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:10 pm

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Oman wrote: Also, I welcome someone stealing from me if its gonna alleviate banana's head here, all you will find is the book.
Alright, I take it up:

I am stealing an item from Oman.


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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:17 pm

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Can I just give in?

If not
Defend

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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:31 pm

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I don't wanna vote too soon before a votecount happens.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:03 pm

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Some basic "I don't have time for you people" thoughts on PS:
Always a reliable tell for me. Voting a buddy straight out is common practice, something I see a lot of.

I think the early call out of Claus is him trying to puff his chest out and offer a bit of resistence with a really weak defence to make himself seem like a difficult target. It a huge overreaction that doesn't have to happen, especially from a regular wagon. Look at the way he calls Claus Obvscum and rants. I made a short post referencing you. Nothing special, just saying it was interesting, not even accurate (you weren't ignoring it). Instead of doing what I'd expect town to do he explodes with the post he does. Its a bit ranty, but basically says "hey, you've pushed a button".

I also dislike the way he treats Hero with such a middle-of-the-road attitude:
PS wrote:'m not disputing this theory or supporting it at the moment, but I'm questioning why you see fit to raise this discussion on the very first Day
PS wrote: Your third reason is also a little curious (IMO), because if anything, I think drawing attention to the issue might be more likely to prompt an early claim like the one you mention.
PS wrote:At any rate, no damage of this nature has been done, but I'm a little wary of your bringing up the nameclaim issue early.
PS wrote:And I will form my opnion on Herotodus after I hear the reason for his proposal,
[HERO]

As opposed to:
PS wrote:there already is a scum on my wagon, and his name is Claus.
PS wrote:Why would I want to be distracted from my biggest scum suspect?
[CLAUS]


The first person that I say I suspect: Note: PS hasn't been too worried about anyone but himself and Claus (with the Hero thing and a small mention of banana). He hasn't inquired as to why anyone has certain suspicions.
PS wrote:Why AshMC, of all people?
There is also a pretty big theory coming from me that Hero is his buddy because when we work out that we can't lynch the traitor, Hero is named traitor by PS.






Then again, why is KMD going along with this gunsmith thing?


Current thoughts:
mafia = Hero/PS
Traitor = KMD(/banana, he's gotten more aggressive lately I think)
Town = Me and Kast


UNOFFICIAL wrote:
vote count:

Herodotus (1) Kast,
Kmd (1) Herodotus,
Oman (2) KMD, PS

Not voting
Oman and banana
Deadline: Aug 3rd, 9:02am PST
with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

I will
Vote Hero
to try to get a lynch other than mine up on a mafia member, I would totally prefer PS though, but I'll take Hero over myself (unless he claims traitor).
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:44 pm

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Oh, and I realise I said the opposite about Hero about two pages back. But I hadn't re-read then, and it was mostly a gut feel. Guess my gut is sometimes wrong.
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:09 am

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I'm not sure exactly how the votecount stands, but I think it's

Oman: 3
Me: 2

I hoped we could lynch KMD, but at this point, it doesn't look possible. Is anyone on at the moment and in agreement?

Oman has been somewhat scummy, and his lynch is acceptable.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:37 am

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My lynch is only acceptable if you are the traitor. If you are, claim now, and I will gladly take the vote off you and put it on KMD.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:44 am

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vote count:
Herodotus (2) Kast, Oman
Oman (3) Herodotus, kmd, PsychoSniper

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Deadline: Aug 3rd, 9:02am PST
with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:49 am

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Bah, I missed hero's vote on me in the unofficial count. This is why I don't mod anymore.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:03 am

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I'm not. I'm town.
Does that mean you aren't, either?
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:39 am

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I'm not happy with the way suspicion has turned away so easily from Kmd. I reckon his buddy was helping him, he's scum (BTW, I'm not traitor either).

Vote: Kmd


We need a Kmd lynch now, that or no lynch.
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:14 am

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I agree with banana that we need a KMD lynch, however, (a) it's still going to take one more vote for KMD, and (b) I think we're too late.

By the way, Oman, it was your vote on me that made it impossible for me to move my vote. Again, I'm stuck unable to move my vote or I'll be lynched.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:21 am

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The crew looks to Oman as the mafia.
We know you are working against us. Trying to kill us with your partner!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
You are fools!!!
You are all fools!!!!
I don't work with anyone. I work for the house.
Oman pur's as he rubs his face against the banister like a cat being petted.
The house wants you dead!!
He picks up an Ax.
Everyone screams in fear.
People run and scatter but Oman seems every fast compared to everyone in the house.
You think I will go down that easily? Oman ask.
Suddenly without warning the walls close in on Oman.
No!!!! Why? I did everything for you?
Blood comes on the wall
YOU FAILED AND YOU MUST DIE.

Oman is crushed by the walls of the house. The wall reopens and a book falls to the ground.


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