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Locke and Sotty are accurate in that Percy is the most logical lynch choice for today.

Sotty, I’ve explained countless times why Percy needs to hang.

However The last 2 scum may or may not have been on the RC wagon. Regardless, that wagon was a town, and town only failure. If Percy is scum, 1 scum didn’t make that change happen. Town has only themselves to blame for that horrendous failure.

Percy’s lynch, while likely scum, is nonetheless the next required step in this game. Either A) we lynch a scummer. Or B) we can assess his reads through the lens that he is town.

So I agree that he needs to stop flailing, stop attacking those he thinks town, and start saying why he believes x,y, and z scum. Then he should accept his death as the best course for today and for the town. A town win, if hes town is still a win for him.

Thor665 wrote:Page 14-catching up

Scummiest post I've seen from Benmage, and really the only scummy thing I've seen.
@Benmage - justify, please?

Ask a question please. Do you also want to play the noob card this game and not understand what V/LA means?

Thor665 wrote: I want to lynch either BabySpice or IAI today. They are both pretty dang scummy. I don't seem to have much support out there for the IAI wagon, though I'd like you all to weigh in on my comments about his case as it currently stands.

Vote: Baby Spice

I never even had a town read on Mongoose for her to destroy

Please wait till you are caught up in thread before voting. You're voting on out-dated/inaccurate information.

Mina, You have Thor on whatever page he is casting shitty votes. Lynching town RC. So gladddddd he listened to your advice and voted with blindfolds on (siiiiiiiike). Rather than following confirmed town. Good choice. (<----internet sarcasm)

Baby Spice wrote:Benmage is still arrogant scum, nothing changed there. Seriously 'confirmed' in this game means you're dead and flipped. Claiming otherwise is scum trying to make themselves into a white knight and lead the town to a loss.

And if there was 1 scum team. A dead GF and a dead cop whose results said I was town.....Would you call me confirmed?

Lrdwhyt could be scum. And worth a strong look over once Percy hangs. But right now isn't the time for distractions. It's a Percy Hanging and thats that.

So, uh, Elmo, other than fluff posts, do you have any ? Any thoughts on the players off the DF wagon, who you said you'd be willing to vote? What does Red Coyote's flip change for you?

Last week, it also felt as though you were enjoying the me vs. Benmage friction for its entertainment value rather than trying to be constructive. I'd assume that since you're pushing Benmage to accept my avatar bet, that means you think Percy's town, right? Or are you just trying to saddle me with an embarrassing avatar?

(Oh, and for the record, Percy...if you're scum in this game, I am going to be seriously annoyed with you for egging Benmage on to take up that bet. This is the thanks I get for defending you. )

Thor665 wrote: So...wait, IAI's theory is that I was scum because I didn't vote for my scumbuddy and instead lurked (hoping to get BS lynched? Hoping the Percy wagon would dissipate/go through without me?), and then later came in with defense of said scumbuddy, called him town, and voted the alternate big wagon.

If I'm a ballsy enough scum to call my scumbuddy town and vote the "obvious opposing town wagon" then what in my lurking was scummy at all? The fact that IAI is painting me as both lurky scum and ballsy buddy-defending scum suggests that all he's doing is taking whatever I do and deciding it's scummy. Case is terribad and so is the current Percy case. I'm okay with the Lrdwhyt case, but would rather lynch Baby Spice.

I don't think I've agreed with a single read, or even a single argument, all game from I am Innocent. But I'll toss him a bone and say you have decided to lurk, then shifted your vote to the largest wagon. I'd be shocked if any distancing went on in D1 P2, because scum would have been screwed had they lost 2/3 members on the second day.

But that said, I am Innocent's thinking is ridiculously simplistic. I mean...seriously. I think it's almost a general rule that scum rarely say positive things about a buddy unless he's in a super-good position and widely trusted.

Like, there is no way that Baby Spice and Percy are scumbuddies, for example. Not just because Percy's throwing her under a bus--because he's throwing her under a bus at the same time that she's been kissing up to him and calling him obvtown all game.

Thor, by the way, I have a question. What makes you suspect Baby Spice more than Lrdwhyt? Yesterday, you seemed lukewarm to BS, and actually seemed to like the LW case.

Also, you had a townread on Furcolow yesterday. Out of curiosity, where did that come from?

Sotty7 wrote:See this is another thing that eats at me. Your case on Red was on gut as well right? I don't think I have ever seen such a wordy gut based player before. Normally the people who post walls (which I can be guilty of sometimes) are more logical players. I dunno, it's strange to me.

I've been accused of being a gut player before, but I'm not sure if that's fair. I just think in generalities rather than specifics, and believe rhetorical skill rarely says much about alignment. So I prefer looking at motivations/behaviour/thought processes to breaking down someone's post line-by-line and finding fault with their logic. Also, I probably look more gut-driven than usual because I've been playing so badly this game. Had I not fallen so far behind, I might have approached the Red wagon differently (paid more attention to the finer details of his posts, probably articulated my suspicions with more than "he just feels off," asked him more hard-hitting questions so as to better read him).

And I usually dismiss gut reads unless I can articulate where they're coming from. I left it at "note to self: read Sotty if RC flips town" because I knew I didn't have anything on you but niggling paranoia at the back of my mind. (All the people suspecting you and treating you like a master scum player didn't help. ) Writing that long explanation of my thought process helped me get my opinions in order, and made me realize that I'd imagined half of what I disliked.

Sotty7 wrote:Red then went on to backtrack/lie with his case on me. He misrepped the exchange with IAI as a slap fight which he recanted once I pushed him. He also tried to claim I never explained my town reads when I had.

Does "slap fight" have a negative connotation on this site that I'm missing? I just read it as a colourful synonym for "back-and-forth" or "kerfuffle" or or "clash"--which, um, was pretty much what your [BLANK] with IAI was. It seemed weird to me that you assumed he was mischaracterizing you.

But I missed the town read thing. Okay, following those links, I see where you're coming from on that.

Also, all I meant by the "late to join the wagon" comment was that you weren't the first to voice suspicion of Red or vote him--in all your examples, at least one other person had already attacked Red...although in hindsight, it's a bit unfair, since there can only be one first vote on any wagon.

I've felt a lot better about her posts today (the kind of things she's asking me and noticing about my play look natural, as though she's genuinely trying to figure out my alignment), so I am officially removing the question mark beside Sotty's name in the town column. I'd rank her as more townish than Percy and Elmo right now.

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EBWOPreview: And hilariously, I may have given more fodder to Baby Spice's theory that Sotty and I are...um, I dunno. Are we distancing? Is one of us trying to appease the other by voting for her suspect so as to say, "See? See? Don't pressure me because I like your suspect!" And yet...because one of us must be scum, that absolutely makes Lrdwhyt even more likely to be scum because...because...I dunno, everyone knows scum are more likely to vote for their buddies over another viable wagon even when they can't afford to bus?

Okay, I should be happy that you're voting Lrdwhyt, but obvious badly-justified opportunistic wagon hop is obvious.

Mina wrote:Last week, it also felt as though you were enjoying the me vs. Benmage friction for its entertainment value rather than trying to be constructive.

Damn straight.

Sotty7 wrote:

I Am Innocent Post 613 wrote:So let's recap. Nikanor's vote is stuck, he replaces out, Thor comes in, and does what any good scum should do around a deadline. Play the wait and see card...

Wagon leaves his teammate, takes off on the townie. Gives the ol' UNVOTE Whoever I'm voting, hahaha, and vote RC, despite only reading 9 pages. My vote can be bought tho, cause I like the attention, hahahaha. (not funny by the way).

I might be able to swallow this narrative if you can sell me on the Percy case. You just lumped your vote back on him today with no elaboration. Change that?

Well there is Post 477 below from D1P2, then add on Percy's stalled wagon so RC's could take off, scum Thor protecting Percy with the RC 6th vote, that is mostly my case.

Post 477 in case you forgot it.

I Am Innocent wrote:....As for your last question, "Also...why is your vote on Percy? I don’t see you voicing any suspicions towards him prior to DF’s lynch", as you can see in 418 & my next post 437, I reread the thread knowing Dry Fits allegiance and those players jumped out at me.

As for Percy specifically, I did not like 195 - 197. He lists Dry Fit as one of his suspects. Furcalow specifically asks him to join that wagon, and Percy responsd "As for Dry-Fit, I don't like his votes on Oso or on Jason, but I like my wagons better." I get the impression (hindsight anyway) that his listing of Dry Fit as scum wasn't really sincere...

Oh, and after 195-197, Percy continues to mention Dry Fit in his next five posts. Little obsessive about that wagon, don't ya think?

"Locke moved onto Dry-Fit before you explained your vote. Before that it was just "something different". So why ask us where it went? It's your wagon."
"Things are not adding up for me with Bemmage at all. I'm liking the Dry-fit wagon less because of him."
"Now you've switched to Dry-fit, dropping the RC wagon from three to two, and the only reason you give is because you "want to see a lynch"."
"Oh and I don't know if I mentioned this, but:
1. What did you like about the RC wagon?
2. Why is Dry-fit the superior choice for today?"
"I haven't had a chance to read the RC or Dry-fit wagons close enough to commit."

After his next post (16 words) does not include Dry-Fit, he continues again in his next/last two posts prior to the lynch:
"Nowhere near sold on Dry-fit case." (votes for Furcalow at this point, last ditch effort to save a partner?)
"Why should Dry-fit be lynched?"

Any other questions I can answer for you???

PS - My vote stays unless we are headed for a no lynch.

Thor665 wrote:

Mina wrote:Thor's moving his vote from Baby Spice to RC killed the BS wagon.

Derp - I had thought Nika was on Percy.

No he never bussed his partner.

Thor665 wrote:So...wait, IAI's theory is that I was scum because I didn't vote for my scumbuddy and instead lurked (hoping to get BS lynched? Hoping the Percy wagon would dissipate/go through without me?), and then later came in with defense of said scumbuddy, called him town, and voted the alternate big wagon.

If I'm a ballsy enough scum to call my scumbuddy town and vote the "obvious opposing town wagon" then what in my lurking was scummy at all? The fact that IAI is painting me as both lurky scum and ballsy buddy-defending scum suggests that all he's doing is taking whatever I do and deciding it's scummy. Case is terribad and so is the current Percy case. I'm okay with the Lrdwhyt case, but would rather lynch Baby Spice.

First of all, I called a Nik/Percy scum team early D1P2, right after my reread. Your actions just supported my suspicions.

And when did you defend Percy? I'd love to see the post. Cause the first time you mention Percy was not until RC's wagon got up to 5 votes (and Percy's got down to 4 votes). A safe time to defend your partner huh? Would only make sense since you were voting the competing wagon. Not so ballsy huh?

You are scum. Just admit it so we can vote you and Percy out and be done this game already.

: When you ask replacements whether they've seen the mod message confirming you as town, you're pushing it way too far.
I think it's ridiculous that you're arguing that the VIs are the ones who think I'm not scum, you're taking a useful characterisation of play and distorting it to fit your narrative.
Finally, my case against you developed from my point in this initial post, and whilst you might not follow the line of argument, others will.

: Your hypothetical "this is what I would do if I was in Percy's situation" is complete crap. I'm trying to defend myself at the same time as present my cases. You're just sitting on your one vote and doing whatever you can to convince yourself that you don't have to do anything else.

I have zero interest reading or responding to anything KScope, jason, Benmage or IAI have to say until they unvote me. It's distracting and stupid.

(I will skim right over your posts, so don't even bother.)

I believe the case on me goes something like this:

1. Percy initially declared a scumread of Dry-fit, without giving solid reasons.
2. Later on, Percy says he doesn't like a Dry-fit lynch, and actively pushes against it.
3. Dry-fit was scum.

Sure, this narrative doesn't look good for me. I made a mistake. I regret it. If you want to hang a second person for making essentially the same mistake, then go ahead, I don't really have anything else to say in my defence.

: I think Benmage's rhetoric is indistinguishable from that employed by Hannity. However, I had no idea that calling someone Hannity is as bad as calling them a c*nt, so I'll ease off

: Your argument makes sense if I am scum; then looking for people who pushed the RC wagon over mine would look scummier. But if I'm town, what information do you get? You don't need to establish why it's good to lynch me even if I'm scum.
(Mina has made a great post on this.)

I found the recent Mina/Sotty exchange very informative. I was halfway through tapping out my case against Sotty, but Mina asked interesting questions and Sotty gave very townie answers. I'd put Mina above Sotty in a town spectrum, and I still think Sotty bears watching, but I'm not interested in making a Sotty case at this time.

Sotty's case against Lrd is similar to mine. I agree with each point (especially the hesitance over voting DF), but I still think Baby Spice is worse. I've stated my case before, and others are developing it well. Here it is in point form:

1. The slip where BS criticises jason's vote on Elmo as being "on town",
2. Her Benmage case, especially after the DF flip,
3. Her most recent post is some powerful cognitive dissonance. If you really thought this:

Baby Spice wrote:Sotty, Mina. You both seem to be having a go at each other, but are both voting the same player. It makes me think that one of you is faking the discussion/arguement, which is scummy, whilst buddying up to them, which is also scummy. Or that one of you is bussing hard and trying to use the other as cover.

...why would you then join the Sotty/Mina wagon on Lrd, without stating any reasons?

Mina wrote:"Mina...f-for me...make Benmage's avatar...Barney/Baby Bop X-rated fanart...AAAAAAAAAAAH DEAR GOD MY RIB CAGE!"

: If I'm lynched please make these my actual last words plzkthx

Benmage wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Page 14-catching up

Scummiest post I've seen from Benmage, and really the only scummy thing I've seen.
@Benmage - justify, please?

Ask a question please. Do you also want to play the noob card this game and not understand what V/LA means?

Are you playing a newb card to try to avoid the question?
Do you believe scum can be VIs?

Benmage wrote:Please wait till you are caught up in thread before voting. You're voting on out-dated/inaccurate information.

Mina, You have Thor on whatever page he is casting Smurffy votes. Lynching town RC. So gladddddd he listened to your advice and voted with blindfolds on (siiiiiiiike). Rather than following confirmed town. Good choice. (<----internet sarcasm)

I am now caught up (the post you're quoting is page 14-catching up, hence is page 14 through to catching up, natch). Is Baby Spice town somehow? Please educate me.
Also, my vote on RC is mine, not Mina's.
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I Am Innocent wrote:And when did you defend Percy? I'd love to see the post.

here

I Am Innocent wrote:Cause the first time you mention Percy was not until RC's wagon got up to 5 votes (and Percy's got down to 4 votes). A safe time to defend your partner huh? Would only make sense since you were voting the competing wagon. Not so ballsy huh?

And what was the relative space of time between the moment I replaced in and said I had a town read on Percy? I'm sorry the super obvious wagon on scum fell apart between when I first posted on and called Percy a town read on . I probably planned that too, amirite? Thank gawd my lurking paid off within 24 hours of awesome.
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Mina wrote:Thor, by the way, I have a question. What makes you suspect Baby Spice more than Lrdwhyt? Yesterday, you seemed lukewarm to BS, and actually seemed to like the LW case.

I do like the LrdWhyt case.
Baby Spice is Mongoose, and I called out Mongoose for scummy acts pretty early as I recall - I frankly think I probably dinged them both equally if anything.
Also, right at the moment, Baby Spice on the LrdWhyt wagon makes my toes curl. You should come over her, I have hot chocolate and Barry Manilow records.

Mina wrote:Also, you had a townread on Furcolow yesterday. Out of curiosity, where did that come from?

Off the top of my head it was because of interactions with Dry-fit around the start of the Dry-fit wagon. The reasons that furc got onto that wagon did not look like buddy-bussing reasons, they looked like "you annoy me" reasons. Scum usually try to earn town points via bussing. I also think Dry-fit was kinda pressing on furc aggressively at the time and that also didn't look like bussing. If you want me to pull relevant quotes and make a case of it I can, but I prefer not to bother unless anyone is trying to do a serious run at furc.

Mina: you're right, I haven't been contributing anywhere near enough. Thankfully my number of games has reduced to 2 now so I'll have a lot more time for this one.

I'll get to some other points this evening, including the subject of Percy being the logical lynch.

Mina's post fucked with my mind at a skim
@percy, I don't have time to provide 3 games of anything right now. I am way behind. I will hopefully have time to catch up tomorrow.

VOTE: mina
ill keep this as a placeholder just to get my vote out there at this point. i really, really didn't like your last post mina. I don't like the way you try to abuse colors/schemes/formats. Sorry.

Well, I'm not really that sorry, but I might move my vote when I catch up.

Percy wrote:I believe the case on me goes something like this:

1. Percy initially declared a scumread of Dry-fit, without giving solid reasons.
2. Later on, Percy says he doesn't like a Dry-fit lynch, and actively pushes against it.
3. Dry-fit was scum.

Later on, it was 2 posts later!!!

Post X, Percy: "Dry Fit is one of my 4 scum picks"
Post X+1, Furcalow: "Percy, will you join me on Dry Fit's wagon"
Post X+2, Percy: "Nah, I like my wagons better"

?????

Then you compare everything to Dry Fit over your next 5 posts. It seemed as his wagon gained steam, you became more and more obsessive about him being innocent.

mina, why in your #551 are you encouraging benmage to do your scumhunting and pushing for you? Are you chastising him for saying "player A is scum, lynch player A" without reasoning and argumentation? How would you respond if I claimed I felt your post here is both dodgy and forced?

then, in your #578, you poison the well and take "pride" in "gut reads"
this is anti-town

also, do you really expect us all to believe you "hit enter too early" after jason's post ... an hour before yours.... when it took you less time to make a lengthier post right afterwards?

i just skimmed havingfitz to see who he was suspicious of (possibly why he died?)
IAI/sotty were his only reads besides me. If there were two scum left, who do you believe would be sending in the kill? Me? Yeah, right.
If only.

IAI: he is suspicious because of the early self vote
Sotty: he is suspicious because havingfitz voted him before voting RC and was his main suspect besides RC/IAI
that being said
VOTE: unvote until mina responds

Percy wrote: Finally, my case against you developed from my point in this initial post, and whilst you might not follow the line of argument, others will.

Quoting is so much better than linking. This is what you’re referring to?:

Percy wrote: (Also, Benmage said he

forgot

that the flips weren't instantaneous, but it sure looks to me like he read the OP and didn't read the Rules post.)

If I recall you attack me for lying. So what did I lie about? About forgetting the instant flips? Was that the lie? So all along I knew of the instant flips but lied to save face….is that it?

So where is the all “CHANGING OF THE STORY” Because you still have failed to quote me “I didn’t realize the mistake” To “I forgot”.

Face it, you created a fabrication. Maybe you misunderstood, but you stuck to your incorrect point and now you’re realizing your mistake.

Percy wrote: I have zero interest reading or responding to anything KScope, jason, Benmage or IAI have to say until they unvote me. It's distracting and stupid.

(I will skim right over your posts, so don't even bother.)

This is worst most novice thing I have ever seen Percy commit. He won't talk with anyone voting him until they unvote!!! Are you fucking kidding me. My jaw literally dropped reading this.

Admit you lied. That there was no changing of my story and I'll unvote you.

Percy wrote: I believe the case on me goes something like this:

1. Percy initially declared a scumread of Dry-fit, without giving solid reasons.
2. Later on, Percy says he doesn't like a Dry-fit lynch, and actively pushes against it.
3. Dry-fit was scum.

Sure, this narrative doesn't look good for me. I made a mistake. I regret it. I

f you want to hang a second person for making essentially the same mistake, then go ahead, I don't really have anything else to say in my defence.

Worse AtE defense ever. Sometimes you need to lynch 3 people who commit the same fallacy before getting it right. AtE

The Case also constitutes Percy:
4. Attacking easy targets (Furc/BS)
5. Fabricated lie/Continuous undermining of obvious town-Benmage
6. Flails around attacking town-reads over scum hunting.

Lets breakdown the BS case:

Percy wrote: I still think Baby Spice is worse. I've stated my case before, and others are developing it well. Here it is in point form:

1. The slip where BS criticises jason's vote on Elmo as being "on town",
2. Her Benmage case, especially after the DF flip,
3. Her most recent post is some powerful cognitive dissonance. If you really thought this:

Baby Spice wrote:Sotty, Mina. You both seem to be having a go at each other, but are both voting the same player. It makes me think that one of you is faking the discussion/arguement, which is scummy, whilst buddying up to them, which is also scummy. Or that one of you is bussing hard and trying to use the other as cover.

...why would you then join the Sotty/Mina wagon on Lrd, without stating any reasons?

Percy wrote: Fuck. Fuck!

With my Hannity read blown, and my RedCoyote read blown, I'm reeling and need to re-read.
Fuuuuck.

Based on nothing more than the slip that has been pointed out before, I'm going to

Vote: Baby Spice

. For those that missed it, here it is again:

jason wrote:

Baby Spice wrote:Hmm, Jason's #98. Blatant buddy on Sotty and

a vote on town

that includes buddying as a reason.

Note the bold! Vote on TOWN.... now how is BS so sure eh?

I really like this slip for BS-scum. I'm going to re-read and figure out whether my vote should stay, but that's where I want to go right now.

^Here’s the previously stated case btw. I’m not sold on the slip. But Percy needs an easy target right…especially since In this quote he realizes I’m confirmed town. Anywhose…

Break down of case:
1. Calls town v town?
2. LOL This is why I have a town read on her. This is the reason why BS is both town and an easy mislynch. Noone but a huge dumbass would attack me after the DF lynch.
3. Well this is new….so your past case must’ve been excellent….oh wait….and yeah BS = easy mislynching fool.

Percy wrote:

Scummy:

Baby Spice
Sotty7
Lrdwhyt

For now,

Vote: Baby Spice

, on the back of my case yesterday.

I am going to do a full re-read of my scumlist before my next post.

We ever get this? Or just flail, attack town-reads?

Thor665 wrote:

Benmage wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Page 14-catching up

Scummiest post I've seen from Benmage, and really the only scummy thing I've seen.
@Benmage - justify, please?

Ask a question please. Do you also want to play the noob card this game and not understand what V/LA means?

Are you playing a newb card to try to avoid the question?
Do you believe scum can be VIs?

-You didn't ask a question. You asked me to justify...and I said justify what, while taking a guess on what you meant. So again....justify what?
-Are you fucking kidding me? Of course. Stop wasting my time.

Thor665 wrote: Is Baby Spice town somehow? Please educate me.
Also, my vote on RC is mine, not Mina's.

Yeah. Read point 2 of Percy's case against BS. That is why BS is obv--town.
Yes, you're are foolish for voting RC while not being caught up in thread instead of listening to the better judgement of a confirmed town player. Mina is also foolish for suggesting to not listen to me. You two can live foolishly happily ever after. Ignorance is bliss.

Furcolow wrote: VOTE: unvote until mina responds

It's usually voting till they respond than weighing whether you like the response to unvote or would like to keep the vote on....just saying.

I'll take you up on your avatar bet if you vote Percy and do not unvote him until he is dead.

I would like to rebring people's attention to this telling votecount: (fyi there was no VC 10 )

Zachrulez wrote:

Vote Count #9 of D1 P1

Redcoyote - 4 (

KaleiÐoscøpe, Mina, Percy, Elmo

)

Jasont1981

- 4 (

Nikanor

, RedCoyote,

Dry-fit

, Furcolow)
Dry-fit - 2 (

Oso, Locke Lamora

)

Zachrulez wrote:

Vote Count #11 of D1 P1

Dry-fit - 6 (

Oso, Locke Lamora, Benmage

, Furcolow,

KaleiÐoscøpe

, Sotty7)
Jasont1981 - 3 (Nikanor,

RedCoyote

,

Dry-fit

)
Furcolow - 3 (Mongoose,

JasonT1981, I Am Innocent

)
Redcoyote - 2 (Mina, Elmo)
Benmage - 2 (Imkingdavid,

Percy

)

The Blue are our confirmed town players. The red are those who react the way scum do and are therefore worth a sterner look.

how the fuck can anyone be confirmed town in a mountainous
VOTE: benmage

Use your noggin Furc. (hint: there's no absolutes in mafia) (help: at least pretend you know whats going on, you'll give the appearance of being better)

I had quite a big post written up looking at Baby Spice, Lrdwhyt and Percy, then MS logged me out when I went to preview it and I lost the whole lot, so now I want to break my computer. The crux of it was that Lrd is the scummiest on a reread, particularly for focussing on someone he didn't think was that scummy in his first post (Jason) and then saying that RC was scummy for trying to paint Jason's daycop response as a slip when he totally ignored the likes of Dry-fit making a big deal of it at the time.



Incidentally, I don't think we should scumhunt just by association. I think we could get some useful voting behaviour information from Percy's lynch either way; it's still informative to look at how people justified their votes on any wagon and we do have plenty of voting data on Percy's slot. I threw the over-simplistic comment about it being the logical lynch out there because I wanted to see if anyone would take the bait and try to piggyback the easy lynch reason with a vote.

Sotty7 wrote:

Lrdwhyt

starts as IKD who does little really. His RVS unvote is normal for him, town or scum. The only real thing of note is his apparent belief of Nikanor's role cop claim. What I didn't realize until now is that Lrd only placed one vote. Red's hammer. He had plenty of time to put a vote out, especially since he claimed to have read the thread in his second post.

Yes, I have read the game. And my lack of vote means that I didn't have anyone to vote at the time (someone I found to be scum).

Sotty7 wrote: Also in the above linked post is a case on Jason that has Lrd end with this conclusion:

Lrdwhyt Post 339 wrote:After that, nothing of his struck me as particularly scummy. There are better votes than him.

I'm considering voting Dry, but I want to see him post some more first...

Really? If he isn't that scummy why spend all the post questioning him when you could have been doing something more productive? Also the tacked on Dry-Fit after thought looks like a scum buddy validating his wagon without a vote. Nice.

The rest of his posts aren't that bad really, but it is mostly him defending himself. There is a lack of any real scum hunting here. Leaning scum.

As I said, I was going to "question" everyone as my entrance, but I gave up. And just because I don't think he's not particularly scummy doesn't mean that I think he's town.

Benmage wrote:The Case also constitutes Percy:
4. Attacking easy targets (Furc/BS)
5. Fabricated lie/Continuous undermining of obvious town-Benmage
6. Flails around attacking town-reads over scum hunting.

4. That is true, but it doesn't really incriminate him.
5. You aren't confirmed town at all, honestly. I don't see his doing so as a scum move, just someone tired of your dumb assertions.
6. What are you talking about? I don't see him scumhunting much in recent posts, but I only see Percy attacking townread. I guess someone's bitter.
1-3 does make sense for Percy to do if he were scum, but the square root of a positive number has two answers.

Percy wrote:1. The slip where BS criticises jason's vote on Elmo as being "on town",
2. Her Benmage case, especially after the DF flip,
3. Her most recent post is some powerful cognitive dissonance. If you really thought this:

Baby Spice wrote: Baby Spice wrote:
Sotty, Mina. You both seem to be having a go at each other, but are both voting the same player. It makes me think that one of you is faking the discussion/arguement, which is scummy, whilst buddying up to them, which is also scummy. Or that one of you is bussing hard and trying to use the other as cover.

...why would you then join the Sotty/Mina wagon on Lrd, without stating any reasons?

1. It could be a slip, or just poorly chosen words. Did she ever explain herself?
2. What's wrong with her Benmage case?
3. Yes, this looks like a thoughtless bandwagon vote, which is strange because she's accusing the two people on me.

Not a very compelling case, I'd say.

Anyway, for today's lynch, I don't have any solid ideas so as to who's scum, but in my readthrough, past-me did seem to find Mina really scummy. I'll check her out later, ignoring the fact that past-me also thought Dry-fit was suspicious when current-me thinks no such thing, even after his flip.

Locke Lamora wrote: I had quite a big post written up looking at Baby Spice, Lrdwhyt and Percy, then MS logged me out when I went to preview it and I lost the whole lot, so now I want to break my computer. The crux of it was that Lrd is the scummiest on a reread, particularly for focussing on someone he didn't think was that scummy in his first post (Jason) and then saying that RC was scummy for trying to paint Jason's daycop response as a slip when he totally ignored the likes of Dry-fit making a big deal of it at the time.

I assume you're referring to this:

Lrdwhyt wrote:RedCoyote's voting Nikanor for not pointing out his own error was a dumb vote. Also slightly suspicious for trying to say jason's was a scumslip, though it wasn't.

This post was made after Dry-fit had already been lynched, so there's not really much point in saying that he was slightly scummy.