Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 10:43 am**

VOTE COUNT

Surye (1): Empking
Zinger2099 (3): Surye, Twistedspoon, Baby Spice
Not voting (3): mothrax, xvart, Zinger2099

With

7

players alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch.

populartajo's vote

STILL

doesn't count.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 10:48 am**

populartajo wrote:WHY WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING A SK?

CONFIRM VOTE: ZINGER

Because in your mind and everyone else's I am either an SK or a Vig.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 11:18 am**

Ok Zinger, simply put.

As a vig you are a terrible shot, like here, but didn't ignore the vig/SK question like you did here. IE: You allowed for the posibility of a vig when discussing SK's, but didn't here.

And you are still ignoring the error in your quoted role PM.

Tajo, we can quote the rolePM from the games where our roles came from, not the bits added by SC int the rolePM he sent us.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 11:45 am**

what is the error on his quote role PM?

vote: StrangerCoug

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 11:47 am**

I'd say it, but I don't want to be a spoilsport.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 12:06 pm**

The link the the game included in the rolePM, was to this game, not the game that it should have been.

It's been mentioned a few times, and not just by me.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 12:43 pm**

wtf. I thought I posted yesterday and my post is not here. This happened in another game, too. Ugh. Anyways, populartajo, TheLonging quoted his actual role pm that SC sent him for this game and the people confirmed are BabySpice and her innocent roles, and since SC confirmed Empking's suggestion about TheLonging being confirmed, it essentially confirms BabySpice as the cop so we are in good shape town wise.

I'll get my post retyped up and posted tonight.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 12:55 pm**

Checking the sample role and my role PM even, its very weird Zinger's one has a different structure.

For the sample role PM, StrangerCoug wrote:Let's flash back to Mini 716: El Puma, shall we, StrangerCoug?

Here is the original to one of the roles I gave out that game:

StrangerCoug, you are a
vanilla townie
. You have no gun, no badge, no first aid kit, no magic thingamajiggers, absolutely nothing special except for three things: pride in El Puma, brainpower, and voting abilities. But those three things are all you need to stop the Mafia from taking over the town!

You win when all threats to El Puma have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM me back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role.

The game thread is here, by the way. It's a day start, just so you know.

This time around, you've got the role. It works the same way as it did in that game.

You win when all threats to StrangerCoug's Favorite Roles Return have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM me back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role. The thread is here and you're in a day start.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 12:57 pm**

okay, I see, you could only quote the original role PM.

nevermind

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 1:00 pm**

Zinger you never answered this:

populartajo wrote:
I care, go find why you killed Tragedy and why you killed ani when his firefighter claim made sense with your kill flavor (pyromaniac).

populartajo wrote:
Zinger2099 wrote:

Don't hammer please
. I have something I need to say before the hammer, but I need to think about what it means first.

also this, gogogogog.

populartajo wrote:
Zinger2099 wrote:If you follow this logic, it means that the MAFIA killed Amrun. I ask you all then,
WHY are we going after an SK that we practically KNOW about already
when the real threat to us is the UNKNOWN MAFIATE(S) STILL IN HIDING.

I say we put bobsnox on the back-burner. We can always lynch the hell out of him later.
Personally, I would rather lynch another Mafiate today than an SK, because THEY are the threat to our wincon, not the SK
.

ifyou knew there was not a SK in the setup, why would you contemplate the possibility of a sk? Why would you say "why are we going after an SK THAT WE PRACTICALLY KNOW ABOUT ALREADY"?

Plz lynch.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 6:09 pm**

Sorry guys, I'm going to need another day. Here is my role:

MoI in Mini 1113 wrote:Welcome to Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia, Untrod Tripod!

You are a Gypsy Healer, a Citizen of Gevaudan [Town Vanilla]

You are one of the many peasants, workers and serfs who live and toil for the good of the Count in the province of Gevaudan. Despite the trials and tribulations associated with your lowly status you have lived a relatively happy existence. The Count is a kind member of the aristocracy and you enjoy the benefits for living under his rule. The recent deaths have disturbed the Count and threatened your lives. You will do everything in you power to help put an end to the killings.

Powers –

Power of the Mob – Active Day Power – As members of the group that outnumbers the royalty you have your voice that you can use to influence others. You may vote for a lynch each day.

Win Condition – You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated, at least one Town player remains alive, or nothing can prevent this situation from happening.

Please confirm you have received your role PM and understand your role by PMing me. Please include your role name in the PM.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 6:47 pm**

populartajo wrote:Zinger you never answered this:

I'll get right on that for you.

populartajo wrote:
I care, go find why you killed Tragedy and why you killed ani when his firefighter claim made sense with your kill flavor (pyromaniac).

As I said, I killed ani because his firefighter claim did not make sense, as I am a VIG, not an SK. It doesn't matter if my flavour is that of a pyromaniac, firefighters hunt arsonists, not vigilantes. I am not an arsonist and the number of kills would indicated that one does not exist.

As for tragedy: it was simply a lurker kill. I didn't know who to kill night 1 so I took a shot in the dark at a non-contributor. Tragedy only had 3 posts in Day 1, and none of them contribute to the game.

populartajo wrote:
Zinger2099 wrote:

Don't hammer please
. I have something I need to say before the hammer, but I need to think about what it means first.

also this, gogogogog.

This was me trying to decide if I should claim or not. Basically, I knew bobsnox was not ani's killer, because ani's killer was me. People were hunting bobsnox for the wrong reasons (they believed he was the SK because of ani's death). My concern was two things: that if I claimed it would take suspicion off of bobsnox and put it on to me, and that secondly people might incorrectly assume this new information put bobsnox in the clear when in fact there was still cause to suspect him. I was only confirming that he did not kill ani, not his alignment after all.

Basically I really did not expect ani to actually be a firefighter (I was sure his roleclaim was BS), and when it turned out to be true that threw me off guard. I realized that we have a firefighter and a vig who has pyromaniac flavour as a personal joke the MOD is playing on us. It's a Bastard bgame and this is his bastard way of pointing town in the wrong direction by giving them a plausible reason to lynch the vig.

populartajo wrote:
Zinger2099 wrote:If you follow this logic, it means that the MAFIA killed Amrun. I ask you all then,
WHY are we going after an SK that we practically KNOW about already
when the real threat to us is the UNKNOWN MAFIATE(S) STILL IN HIDING.

I say we put bobsnox on the back-burner. We can always lynch the hell out of him later.
Personally, I would rather lynch another Mafiate today than an SK, because THEY are the threat to our wincon, not the SK
.

ifyou knew there was not a SK in the setup, why would you contemplate the possibility of a sk? Why would you say "why are we going after an SK THAT WE PRACTICALLY KNOW ABOUT ALREADY"?

Plz lynch.

Because in everyone else's mind, bobsnox was obvSK. I was trying to use that to convince you that it was smarter to look for scum than the SK. Basically, I was trying to convince town to drop their bobsnox wagon without having to resort to claiming (because it would have put suspicion on me). It didn't work very well.

In the end I realized my own view of bobsnox was skewed. I was thinking of him as town because I knew he was not the SK, and I couldn't allow myself or anyone else to come to this conclusion because it is flawed logic. Bobsnox might have been scum and I didn't want to turn people off the scent because he didn't kill ani. So I voted him to prove once and for all that he didn't kill ani, while at the same time not causing the cause that claiming before his death would have brought.

Footnote: my aim as vig can't be all that bad, as statistically speaking, I am better than a vig who doesn't get ANY scum.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 2:20 am**

zinger wrote:As I said, I killed ani because his firefighter claim did not make sense, as I am a VIG, not an SK. It doesn't matter if my flavour is that of a pyromaniac, firefighters hunt arsonists, not vigilantes. I am not an arsonist and the number of kills would indicated that one does not exist.

this doesnt make sense. A firefighter exists to protect against fire flavored kills, not to hunt arsonists. If you had a kill with fire, regardless of alignment, then a firefighter claim DID MAKE SENSE. Bastardmod is not a valid explanation.

There were two kills night 1. Your kill and an unknown kill. How did you know that unknown kill did not come from another party?

zinger wrote:My concern was two things: that if I claimed it would take suspicion off of bobsnox and put it on to me, and that secondly people might incorrectly assume this new information put bobsnox in the clear when in fact there was still cause to suspect him.

Now, re: bobsnox, the principal case against bobsnox is that he was a SK. It scummy as hell that you left him die when you knew he was not the sk.

There was still cause to suspect him? Why?

also anser babyspyce question.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:00 am**

As for the issue with my role pm I honestly don't understand what the problem is. I quoted the portion of my role PM that was identical to the original role PM from another game. I thought that was allowed, is it not?

Firefighters, to my knowledge, are there to stop arsonists, a type of serial killer. If my knowledge of the role was flawed, well that is what led to my flawed reasoning.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:03 am**

If it helps, my role is originally from the game Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:23 am**

populartajo wrote:There were two kills night 1. Your kill and an unknown kill. How did you know that unknown kill did not come from another party?

zinger wrote:My concern was two things: that if I claimed it would take suspicion off of bobsnox and put it on to me, and that secondly people might incorrectly assume this new information put bobsnox in the clear when in fact there was still cause to suspect him.

Now, re: bobsnox, the principal case against bobsnox is that he was a SK. It scummy as hell that you left him die when you knew he was not the sk.

There was still cause to suspect him? Why?

also anser babyspyce question.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 10:31 am**

Zinger2099 wrote:If it helps, my role is originally from the game Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia.

Dont j'ai déjà fait remarquer ... Pourquoi avez-vous esquiver cette question depuis si longtemps?

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:06 pm**

I am trying to break this down, as I am almost certain that Zinger is a SK but I see the point Empking is making with keeping him on a tight leash. However, if he realizes his position and will get lynched before he can win he might go AWOL and decide to do whatever he wants to cause chaos. If he does and he kills one of the confirmed town and the other scum kills a different confirmed town we would be left with one confirmed town, 3 unknowns, and Zinger. If we mislynch then he will have a better chance at victory if he collaborates with the scum (2:1:1). I'm guessing if he is SK then he is probably investigation immune since he claimed when he did so he probably isn't BP, too; so he would have to worry about the cross kill.

On the other hand, if he is who he says he is then we could get a victory that much sooner; but I don't think it is worth the risk since there are too many uncontrollable variables.

Are we waiting for mothrax to post or can we send this game to night? Does anyone see any flaws in my logic above?

Empking - if we do switch gears I would see more value in lynching TwistedSpoon today as opposed to Surye. Why Surye?

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:08 pm**

Also, I am leaving early tomorrow morning for Hawaii so I will be

V/LA tomorrow while traveling and possibly a day later depending on how we get settled and adjust to the time change

.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:54 pm**

@survye, j'esquive absolument rien. J'ai simplement pas remarque la question. Faux comprendre que j'aitai tres occupe recement, avec Anime North. J'ai pas eu le temp de lire tout les question, ni repondre.

Alright, everyone I understand your suspicions and that I very well might be lynched today. Got it. Now can we please focus our attention on those who are using me as a distraction to avoid notice? I don't care if you have to lynch me to satisfy your concerns, but let's not do so before we have had a chance to examine my revelation for what it is and how people are reacting to it.

Let's face it, I have had 100% of everyone's attention since the start of this day. Let's shift some of that attention and onto the suspicious activities of others. There will be plenty of time to lynch me after anyway, but why waste a chance to thoroughly examine each person's reaction to this chain of events?

Consider that if I am telling the truth, tomorrow you will be up the creek without a paddle. I say we take some time today to do some questioning that will give those who are left alive tomorrow few places to hide in.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 3:56 pm**

xvart wrote:Are we waiting for mothrax to post or can we send this game to night? Does anyone see any flaws in my logic above?

I see a flaw: the fact that you are relying on me being the SK to justify the hammer. You know what happens if I flip town (which I will)? You will have wasted all of Day 4 questioning me without giving anyone else so much as a second glance.

Lynch me, but don't do it before you have thoroughly looked over each potential suspect.

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 5:17 pm**

Zinger2099 wrote:
Consider that if I am telling the truth, tomorrow you will be up the creek without a paddle. I say we take some time today to do some questioning that will give those who are left alive tomorrow few places to hide in.

No Zinger, the problem is if your lieing about being a vig and there's a fourth scum, we loose if we don't lynch either of you. (Ok, we might get real lucky with crosskills, or both targeting the same person)

If there's only three scum and your a vig, then the game should be over.

If your a vig and there's a fourth scum, we know which of three players it has to be and there will be two absolutely cleared players of to question them. Anything other than your lynch means that we have to trust in you being the vig and if we're wrong, we loose.

I don't trust in you being a vig.

Posted: **Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:03 am**

Empking - if we do switch gears I would see more value in lynching TwistedSpoon today as opposed to Surye. Why Surye?

Gut

Posted: **Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:23 am**

Well of course you don't Baby Spice, because you're the last remaining scum aren't you?

In any event, I hope you all realize though that if I am telling the truth (and I am) and you don't lynch me, we win the game.

Posted: **Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:26 am**

xvart wrote:Empking - if we do switch gears I would see more value in lynching TwistedSpoon today as opposed to Surye. Why Surye?

Why Twisted Spoon?

Mafiascum.net

StrangerCoug's Favorite Roles Return (Game over!)