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↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:But the point is I think it's incredibly bad to say that people who aren't doing anything scummy are scummy by virtue of the fact that they're not doing anything scummy.

And if that was a final conclusion or the sole reason that I was pushing for a lynch your critcism would be valid. As a starting place to explore it's more than reasonable.

bzzzzzz wrong

if you start your analysis from a faulty premise then your analysis is bad

↑ Amrun wrote:It's pretty weak, but DDD clearly hasn't really sunk his teeth into this game yet. I'm not sure that's a tell either way.

Llamarble 640 wrote:KK I just reread and am adding to the 'these guys might be scum' pile.

Read my posts, then try again.

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Tripod, try this direction.

DDD sez your play in this game has been completely unremarkable. Your response:

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DDD, I see someone else in the last 25 posts who seems to have posted and nobody noticed or cared (nor should they; the posts are less than worthless). Your thoughts on that player?

My thoughts on that player is that they're pretty facemeltingly obvscum.
3 are revealed!
One more left.
Not even sure we should lynch VP today considering I had a massive false positive on him in AMG.

Then shouldn't you be voting Ghostlin?

Yeah, probably.
VOTE: Ghostlin
Though I'm not really sure out of VP / Ghostlin / Xvart who's going to flip scum the hardest.
Right now I feel like all of them will.

Now that I've put my vote here people are going to want a case or something though.
I guess I'll just say "his ISO" for now.

↑ Amrun wrote:Then shouldn't you be voting Ghostlin?

↑ Llamarble wrote:Yeah, probably.
VOTE: Ghostlin

Really?

And people say opportunism in mafia is dead.

Though I'm not really sure out of VP / Ghostlin / Xvart who's going to flip scum the hardest.
Right now I feel like all of them will.

↑ Llamarble wrote:Now that I've put my vote here people are going to want a case or something though.
I guess I'll just say "his ISO" for now.

Derp. Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun, I think I'm going to post something like 'his ISO' as a reason.

I really, really REALLY want someone to explain to me exactly how Llam ISN'T scummy.

Okay, sorry I've been busy and having been playing. The weather is cool enough to shut off the A/C which means "Fall Cleaning". Plus we just got some chicks and I've been working on building their eventual coop.

Debonair Danny DiPietro's case on Untrod Tripod is insane. Though I do agree with glowball in that I can sorta wrap my head around the concept, but to make a case like that this early in the game is ludicrous. Plus his vague hintings at potential "other reasons" means that he's not seriously looking to lynch Untrod Tripod, he's just looking busy for the cameras.

I think VP Baltar came out as making more sense in his exchange with Amrun. I don't think he's scum this game.

More people need to be on the Ghostlin wagon. It's the best wagon in the whole game.

xvart and Debonair Danny DiPietro are scum too.

↑ Kublai Khan wrote:Debonair Danny DiPietro's case on Untrod Tripod is insane. Though I do agree with glowball in that I can sorta wrap my head around the concept, but to make a case like that this early in the game is ludicrous. Plus his vague hintings at potential "other reasons" means that he's not seriously looking to lynch Untrod Tripod, he's just looking busy for the cameras.

The thing is, Triple D hasn't a UT case. He was just commenting on me finding him scummy and then people kept poking at his reasoning. Case suggests he's trying to lynch UT which isn't actually happening.

I'm slightly tempted by a possible Ghostlin vote, I haven't liked much of what he has done today. But I think an xvart one would be better.

↑ Sotty7 wrote:

↑ Kublai Khan wrote:Debonair Danny DiPietro's case on Untrod Tripod is insane. Though I do agree with glowball in that I can sorta wrap my head around the concept, but to make a case like that this early in the game is ludicrous. Plus his vague hintings at potential "other reasons" means that he's not seriously looking to lynch Untrod Tripod, he's just looking busy for the cameras.

The thing is, Triple D hasn't

made

a UT case. He was just commenting on me finding him scummy and then people kept poking at his reasoning. Case suggests he's trying to lynch UT which isn't actually happening.

Hmm.. you're right. I guess my mind is still reeling from the fact that he claims he can't remember a post I've made all game. His vote is on JasonT1981 for a secondhand reason so that's not townietactular either.

I realize he wasn't literally trying to lynch me at the moment, but his reasoning for finding me scummy was awful and I like to nip these things in the bud by calling people on bad logic

My access the next few days is going to be kinda limited, but I'll try to push out what posts I can.

↑ Ghostlin wrote:Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,

Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?

↑ Amrun wrote:

↑ Ghostlin wrote:Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,

Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?

Yes, yes I do. It's pretty blantant. Do you want me to requote the exchange again?

I actually got hired before the interview was done. That's good motivation to just kill some people!

DDD vs. UT is dum dum. UT is unlikely to be scum, though he does need to broaden his horizons and change this town game of 'do nothing, bitch when attacked'. DDD...well, you're better than that and making me wary. Get in here and give me some real fire.

The case on Ghostlin is that he's useless basically, right? I think that's a pretty loose label that can be applied to a lot of people here. We really need to get out of this bitch fest of non-involvement. It's kind of a stupid circling the day drain. It may hit scum eventually, but it's kind of a crapshoot and I think we can do better.

KK, why is xvart scum? Yesterday you were all over him because you said he was lewarcher's scumbuddy and trying to save him from a lynch. Today, you're saying he's scum because....

Vi and CES are basically vote camping on me and I'm not sure why. If you two actually think I'm scum, then please push my lynch. If not, do something useful with those votes that is actually likely to hit scum. (IE, move to Llamar)

glowball probably fits into the vote camping society as well. You really seem to be doing nothing active and are just coasting on VI-town status.

↑ Ghostlin wrote:

↑ Amrun wrote:

↑ Ghostlin wrote:Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,

Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?

Yes, yes I do. It's pretty blantant. Do you want me to requote the exchange again?

Let me rephrase it for you since your reading comprehension has failed you:

Vi said there was another useless poster posting within the last 25 posts. There are one or two other candidates for this, but most likely, it's you.

Llamarble said he's wavering on VP, but thinks you are "face meltingly scum."

Logically, his vote should be on you, and I wanted to see if he would move it there. He did.

Bzzzzzzzzzzt try again. You fail.

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.

I do think he has a point in that scum would try and blend in, not try to act scummy, and let a lynch happen on a scummy player. HOWEVER lynches are based on what is scummy, and not what is not scummy. And without anything else on you, the fact he tries to push it, is scummy.

↑ Amrun wrote:Then shouldn't you be voting Ghostlin?

↑ Llamarble wrote:Yeah, probably.
VOTE: Ghostlin
Though I'm not really sure out of VP / Ghostlin / Xvart who's going to flip scum the hardest.
Right now I feel like all of them will.

Don't like this post, not from Amrun, he has every right to call it. but from LLam, doesn't vote.. gets called out and then votes. Seems weak to me

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.

I do think he has a point in that scum would try and blend in, not try to act scummy, and let a lynch happen on a scummy player. HOWEVER lynches are based on what is scummy, and not what is not scummy. And without anything else on you,

the fact he tries to push it, is scummy.

He's not doing that, though.

You're just looking for something to attack.

p-edit: "He has every right to call it." Who has every right to call what?

You, I was saying it wasn't your post but Llam that seemed off to me. Since I was quoting two posts.

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:I realize he wasn't literally trying to lynch me at the moment, but his reasoning for finding me scummy was awful and I like to nip these things in the bud by calling people on bad logic

If you were trying to convince me you failed and I think that most people understand where my argument comes from and that it makes sense as a starting point for analysis.

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.

I do think he has a point in that scum would try and blend in, not try to act scummy, and let a lynch happen on a scummy player. HOWEVER lynches are based on what is scummy, and not what is not scummy.

And without anything else on you, the fact he tries to push it, is scummy.

Good vote is still good.

↑ Vi wrote:DDD, I see someone else in the last 25 posts who seems to have posted and nobody noticed or cared (nor should they; the posts are less than worthless). Your thoughts on that player?

Ghostlin was crazy tunneled on lew on D1, but so was I and I'm town so I can't make the argument that town wouldn't do that. I also like him taking apart Jason's bad pairing arguments today and he even carries that logic over to when VPB tries to make a chainsawing argument in regards to Amrun/Llama. Other than his lack of real push behind the person he's voting and my disinterest in that wagon his play seems pretty similar to my own. Definately not as good a vote as Jason; will try to compare to my created peerage group for him (UT, KK, Xvart) when I get a chance to put together a relative ranking within that group.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:I actually got hired before the interview was done.

Now when I at you, it's a :HAPPY: .

VP Baltar 667 wrote:Vi and CES are basically vote camping on me and I'm not sure why. If you two actually think I'm scum, then please push my lynch. If not, do something useful with those votes that is actually likely to hit scum. (IE, move to Llamar)

I'm partly unsure of what to do and partly too distracted by RL to care. As for your suggestion, Llamarble has found that razor's edge where I agree with most of what he says yet he still comes across as incredibly slimy, and I'll stick to agreeing with him.