↑ Dazed and Confused wrote:...but a couple of your stated motivations don't make sense and contradict each other.
Empire and I didn't talk that much earlier on, so I don't think I communicated my issues with Syryana well. Basically, it's that before the hammer on D2, our suspect pool was {Nacho, jason, FT}. Part of why I finally settled on you being town was because I'm a sucker and thought your whole explanation about reaction-testing jason looked unlikely to be fake.
Then you announced that that was actually a lie, and gave an explanation that actually sounded more implausible than the original.
I looked back over my ISO after you mentioned this. It took me a bit to figure out why I was contradicting myself, but I figured it out eventually. Here's the problem:
↑ Syryana wrote:My Jason push was a decoy. I figured if I voted Nacho, people would look at the vote and go "wtf ehrmagerd the noob is voting for Nacho let's kill someone else". Therefore, I voted for Jason, working under the assumption people would look at it, get disgusted, call me terrible, and vote for one of the other scumreads. Sort of an anti-vote, if you will.
I picked Jason because he and Nacho were on pretty much everyone's lists and after reading Jason's scum meta I was fairly sure he was town.
I bolded the pertinent point. I misrepped myself terribly in that line and I didn't even realize it. You asked me, D+C, when it was that I read Jason's meta and decided he was town? Answer, Night 2. I read him over after Nacho flipped scum, but before Day 3 started. You can see the games I read in Jason's
#522. If you ISO him and just skim the posts he makes, he puts a hell of a lot more effort into both his logic and his posts. It's hard to point to a specific example, but his scum play just has a... flavor to it. His scumhunting is less genuine; he doesn't ask many questions of people as scum, but rather points out facts and bases his "opinion" on those. Heck, even his grammar is a lot better in those posts than here. I made the erroneous assumption that because his play here is nothing like his scum meta, he must be town.
Back to the point. In the above quote, I stated I knew Jason was town all along, but did the decoy anyways to get Nacho lynched. This is false. It was an error born, it pains me to admit, of my own arrogance and my glee over hammering a scum. I read jason's ISO on Night 2 and told myself he was town since his scum meta is nothing like how he's playing this game. By the time of the above post, I'd convinced myself that I'd known it all along and I was some kind of badass for pulling the decoy off in the first place. Hence the misrep.
Here's what happened. When I initially voted for Jason, he was a null read as I stated in
#450. My choices at the time were: CES, FT, Nacho, Jason. CES was off the table; that wagon was dead and I had begun to think my case on him was paranoia. FT was not a viable option either; voting for him would have gotten no information as people probably expected me to do it and it was obvious by that time that he wasn't going to be lynched that Day (explained in
#498). So my choices were down to two: Jason and Nacho. Of the two, I felt Nacho was scummier.
My initial vote on Jason was influenced by two factors: a desire for information and my own sense of inadequacy. I was not lying in
#498 when I gave my reasons for voting Jason and I did not believe he was town at that point. I omitted the fact that I'd rather see Nacho dead, but a Jason lynch wouldn't have made me sad either. The sense of inadequacy came from replacing into a game with a ton of veterans: CES, Sixty, Sotty, D+C. I told myself that I'm awful at this game compared to those players and inaccurately assumed that whomever I would vote for would engender a negative reaction towards the lynch of that person. Therefore, working under the assumption that my vote is an anti-vote I voted Jason.
Posts
#498 and
#510 came about after Jason's responses. The original desire to vote him stemmed from a desire for information and a hidden desire to lynch Nacho, but the responses degenerated Jason from null to scumread. By
#510 I was convinced he was scum with Nacho: whichever one gets lynched was fine by me.
Then came Sotty's Nacho vote. At this point, it was fairly obvious Jason wasn't going to be lynched and Nacho was my greater scumread anyways. The decoy worked! Hammer time!
Then I read Jason's scum meta overNight and it became obvious to me he was town, since his actions this game are vastly different from his normal scum play, including logic, analysis, even grammar. I made the unfortunate error of not reading his town meta; I made the erroneous assumption that I didn't need to given the disparity between his actions in this game and his scum meta. A mistake, as it turned out (hubris again, I don't need to read his town meta when he's obviously not scum). I went and read his town meta as well, and his play is vastly different from that too, invalidating part of the reason I thought Jason town at the beginning of the Day. Another reason I gave him a town pass was Nacho's flip. I didn't think he was Nacho's partner as Nacho bussed him from the get-go on Day 1. It wasn't until D+C pointed out that Nacho implied he knew Jason was scum all along (and thus bussing him for towncred) that I realized my error.
That's how I got to the misrep in
#545. My vote on Jason originated as a decoy, but I also was not lying about my reasoning in
#498 and
#510. The misrep was that I thought Jason was town all along. I got too impressed by my own cleverness and made an arrogant statement that matched neither the facts nor my own actions. I did
not
believe Jason town until N2/D3, nor had I even read his meta at the point I voted him originally. He was the weaker of two scumreads at the time and I voted him out of a desire for information and a desire to keep the Nacho wagon alive.
Dazed and Confused wrote:D+C - My towniest townread. They've been pretty obvtown the whole game, they've followed good lines of reasoning all game (well, minus a policy lynch on CES, that kinda backfired), and out of all their 100 posts I can't point to anything that would make me think they're scum.
This kind of raises my hackles, particularly since you actually HAVE pointed out something in this game that made you think we could be scum. It's too over-the-top.
It
is
a bit much, isn't it? I'd completely forgotten about the tell I posted regarding your "if we die tonight" post back on Day 1. What really convinced me about you guys was
#479. Your analysis of your thoughts on CES was spot-on and I felt like I could actually see your thought process involving him. I found it extremely unlikely that you'd be able to manufacture something like that as scum and I evolved you into my biggest townread at that point, especially since the only actual scumtell I had on you was born of paranoia. You haven't done anything since to change my mind.