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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:50 am
by xRECKONERx
Wait KA's daykill was fake?
SHOCKER
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:51 am
by Tierce
@Cabd: That's probably not quite enough. Partial or full V/LA?
Also, PaizoCon is better.
I'll go through your reads and see if there's anything I disagree with first, then I'll play catch-up.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:00 am
by Cabd
Partial. I have my phone. It'll be at nights in California time.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:04 am
by Tierce
Awesome, we're on the same schedule, then. Thanks.
(I may torture the scum's names out of Andy in a few days. >.> <.<)
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:56 am
by Amrun
Wow this post is really, really bad.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:20 am
by Desperado
The situation was still playing itself out, and because my only direct experience was with scum doing it, but I'm willing to consider it a bad town gambit if someone can provide some meta (mollie mentioned several).
Can you explain how Nexus entered your hard townpile?
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:13 am
by xRECKONERx
that's some nice flowery adjectives ya got thar
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:24 am
by pirate mollie
jesus chrst you have been here 5 minutes and you are already on my nerves.
In post 601, Cabd wrote:Mac/Mollie
<joke>First up since Mac hasn’t replaced out, you’re town </joke>
you know he mentioned that some people were saying that last week! lol
So you were seeing nacho’s case on appletown in 199, sweet. Cuz it is.
at that point and at that time I could see apple as possible town
You agree (re 216) that newbscum don’t do things like “dare you to lynch me” so what made you decide against this conclusion?
depends on the player. I went back and checked some old games at ratskep and yes I saw some newb scum who taunted the people who were trying to lynch them. also saw it in a game at mr where gib and I cleared a player with our read and he finally was vig killed but only cos he pissed off the vig who was writhing in guilt for getting me lynched the previous day.
You telling me (re 383) that you think this thing isn’t newbtown? Like, you used the word team-mate but you weren’t thinking apple was scum at this point? IDGI
cos I don't know your alignment. they could be on my team or not. what you seem to be missing is that my reads are neither static nor black and white so don't even.
your complicating something that is pretty fucking simple.
So far as I can tell from 503, 524, and 526, your vote and discarding of apple-newbtownread is that
KillerApple is using ongoing games for evidence
. Man I wonder where I saw that before? I love you mollie but that’s kinda a bit silly.
. that is not why. and if you read the fucking thread you would know that.
I think your slot is scum cos apple said, "oh metal is always like this I read his other games and he is town". <------- okay so how did she know what games to look at? cos it isn't in his wiki and if you do a search user's posts you will find some ongoing games and 2 completed games. he is not dead in any of his ongoing games so no flip. in his completed games he was scum once and town in a hydra. so with only 2 games to base meta on where the fuck did apple get that "he is town and is like this all of the time" because he isn't. I didn't see any any meltdowns of this sort in any of his games. so where is apple getting that conclusion from. and then she starts pushing for a pl, lol, as soon as she realises that his wagon dismantle will put her in the lynch lead.
^ that is the case. do not misrep my case again or I am going to use the shouty font with you.
Re 554: Nah, If I was scum I’d read the QT like a billion times first. NB4 “OMG he knows about scum having a QT scumscumscumlynchlynchlynch” because Andy flat out said they have one. I love pulling town because I can do whatever the hell I want. Scum is so…. Restricting.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:26 am
by macmollie
In post 657, pirate mollie wrote:jesus chrst you have been here 5 minutes and you are already on my nerves.
In post 601, Cabd wrote:Mac/Mollie
<joke>First up since Mac hasn’t replaced out, you’re town </joke>
you know he mentioned that some people were saying that last week! lol
So you were seeing nacho’s case on appletown in 199, sweet. Cuz it is.
at that point and at that time I could see apple as possible town
You agree (re 216) that newbscum don’t do things like “dare you to lynch me” so what made you decide against this conclusion?
depends on the player. I went back and checked some old games at ratskep and yes I saw some newb scum who taunted the people who were trying to lynch them. also saw it in a game at mr where gib and I cleared a player with our read and he finally was vig killed but only cos he pissed off the vig who was writhing in guilt for getting me lynched the previous day.
You telling me (re 383) that you think this thing isn’t newbtown? Like, you used the word team-mate but you weren’t thinking apple was scum at this point? IDGI
cos I don't know your alignment. they could be on my team or not. what you seem to be missing is that my reads are neither static nor black and white so don't even.
your complicating something that is pretty fucking simple.
So far as I can tell from 503, 524, and 526, your vote and discarding of apple-newbtownread is that
KillerApple is using ongoing games for evidence
. Man I wonder where I saw that before? I love you mollie but that’s kinda a bit silly.
. that is not why. and if you read the fucking thread you would know that.
I think your slot is scum cos apple said, "oh metal is always like this I read his other games and he is town". <------- okay so how did she know what games to look at? cos it isn't in his wiki and if you do a search user's posts you will find some ongoing games and 2 completed games. he is not dead in any of his ongoing games so no flip. in his completed games he was scum once and town in a hydra. so with only 2 games to base meta on where the fuck did apple get that "he is town and is like this all of the time" because he isn't. I didn't see any any meltdowns of this sort in any of his games. so where is apple getting that conclusion from. and then she starts pushing for a pl, lol, as soon as she realises that his wagon dismantle will put her in the lynch lead.
^ that is the case. do not misrep my case again or I am going to use the shouty font with you.
Re 554: Nah, If I was scum I’d read the QT like a billion times first. NB4 “OMG he knows about scum having a QT scumscumscumlynchlynchlynch” because Andy flat out said they have one. I love pulling town because I can do whatever the hell I want. Scum is so…. Restricting.
whoops that was me
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:28 am
by Desperado
Mollie have you considered the possibility that KillerApple, not being familiar with what is commonly acceptable to include in a "meta" read, mistakenly included the ongoing games?
You were reading them as newbtown, correct? So are you saying that this new piece of newbtown evidence is actually so egregious that it's verged back into scum evidence?
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:37 am
by macmollie
In post 637, BROseidon wrote: In post 605, Amrun wrote:Notice how his alignment isn't confirmed.
Why are you treating him like town?
I'm not. Relevant:
In post 545, BROseidon wrote:Disagree with your MS point is as much as dayvig fakeclaim can be done by either alignment and there really isn't strong motivation one way or the other for it. Granted, I don't have that much experience with it (all my games where one happened are in progress), and I still need to read the MS wagon formation to judge what I think, but the dayvig claim should be treated as null.
I have stated multiple times that I haven't read the MS wagon.
If I think it's valid when I get around to reading it
, I'll vote for it. If I think there was fishy wagon-hopping, I'll vote for that (which is a probable result given that this is Metal Sonic we're talking about here)
why have you not gotten around to reading it
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:40 am
by macmollie
In post 643, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 503, macmollie wrote:@ nacho
no. just no. you never dismantled my scum read on you. you would have to be town in order to do that.
sorry, i guess i was just having one of my
psychic visions
musroom induced hallucinations again.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:42 am
by BROseidon
Having a job+side projects and being in too many games at once is hard.
I have a 4 day weekend b/c of the 4th so I should get to reading it then.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:43 am
by Amrun
You even got the person wrong. Reads like you're looking for reasons to stay on ka wagon but too busy/uninterested/dogpuke to be able to summon the attention/energy to fake it properly.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:43 am
by macmollie
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:45 am
by Amrun
I was seeing if me saying something vague about it would get him to be like "oh woops" but nope. Just tried to make me look bad.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:55 am
by macmollie
In post 659, Desperado wrote:Mollie have you considered the possibility that KillerApple, not being familiar with what is commonly acceptable to include in a "meta" read, mistakenly included the ongoing games?
You were reading them as newbtown, correct? So are you saying that this new piece of newbtown evidence is actually so egregious that it's verged back into scum evidence?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I AM TYPING IN ENGLISH WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
I WAS READING THEM AS UNSURE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN A STRONG TOWN READ OF MINE
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GAME IT IS I AM TELLING YOU I COMBED THROUGH METAL'S POSTS AND HE HAS NOT DONE ANYWHERE ELSE WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THIS GAME THERE IS NO POST THAT DEMONSTRATES HE DOES THIS ALL OF THE TIME ANYWHERE ON THIS SITE. THERE ARE ONLY 2 GAMES LETS SAY IT TOGETHER NOW 2 WHERE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HIS ALIGNMENT IS SO HOW THE FUCK DID SHE PUT HIM AS TOWN FOR IT.
it could be metal melting down as scum or a town meltdown I dunno he has made some truly terrible posts.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:02 pm
by macmollie
wait a minute I know whats going on here
andy gave all of my favourite people a bonus win if they make me meltdown isn't it
ANDY!
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:12 pm
by Venmar
- It's an unfortunate site meta, I can agree to that, but scum are more likely to push it and more liable to do it since they got legitimate reasons for doing so, since scum benefit from running people up for claims and repeating so they got plenty of info for the night. It comes down to the circumstances of jumping the wagon that really determine the alignment, and I think the context and circumstances that you're in, justify that it was from a scum perspective.
In post 569, Nexus wrote:
The fact that you're absolutely adamant that I'm scum, and wasted your time making that post, but don't seem to be looking at other candidates is worrying.
- I think you spoke far too soon. I'm clearly currently entertaining the possibility of Amrun being scum, and in the same post I made my vote on you I noted that at the time I thought CDB was scummy as well so this is technically not true.
---
You provided us with some games that contradict my tiny meta argument, but also some that support it. It all really boils down to the gut portion of the meta read I mentioned.
I'm currently thinking Amrun and Nexus could be scumbuddies, Nexus for obvious reasons, and Amrun for what I think is soft defending Nexus without
actually
defending him. Examples are
#546 where she says she's cogitating about it and that it's not on her priority list ( soft defence / delay ), the ending of
#605 where she brushes it off and says it's not relevant to the game state right now ( more soft defence ), and the ending of
#635 where she just acts unconvinced, vaguely calls Nexus town and pats it down by complimenting me ( little bit of soft defence ).
- It really just boils down to small comments that try to avoid actually defending Nexus, but still trying to prevent his wagon from catching fire. Such relationship I see often between scumbuddies. The difference between Amruns defence of Nexus and CDB's defence of Nexus, for example, is that Amrun does it very softly and almost indirectly, while CDB just blatantly out right defends Nexus, which I think is a town motivated response.
It works both ways, so it doesn't REALLY matter if Amrun or Nexus go first, but i'm obviously in preference to Nexus since that strengthens the Amrun scumread a little bit.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:12 pm
by Cabd
Well, this does get me what I wanted I guess.
Macmollie is town. Ank is town. Both had good reasons for keepign their vote on me.
Reckoner totally ignored my questions and wanted to put me out there as the dayvigger so whatever, he's prob scums.
I gotta look back at metal sonic's interaction with apple, but I'm thinking only one scum was in the four left on my wagon prior to my replace in.
VOTE: Reckoner
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:15 pm
by Cabd
In post 667, macmollie wrote:wait a minute I know whats going on here
andy gave all of my favourite people a bonus win if they make me meltdown isn't it
ANDY!
Oh shit she's on to me!
And maybe I missed the big yelly voice.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:16 pm
by Venmar
Oh yeah, Cabd can stay as scum.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:24 pm
by macmollie
In post 670, Cabd wrote: In post 667, macmollie wrote:wait a minute I know whats going on here
andy gave all of my favourite people a bonus win if they make me meltdown isn't it
ANDY!
Oh shit she's on to me!
And maybe I missed the big yelly voice.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:30 pm
by macmollie
okay somebody was asking me for an example of someone faking a day vig claim as town.
this is the only one I can think off the top of my head and well....it is a bit embarrassing cos it was an open set-up.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23927
I totally fell for it.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:59 pm
by Cabd
FTR officially on my way to LA for Expo.
Phone posting only now until Monday or maaaaybe Sunday night.