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I'd say MTD-scum isn't that hard to read, and imho he's town here.
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I don't see it. It's more of a "If you're going to try and read me, don't half-ass it" because doing so is pretty terrible and he has played with me enough to know that I probably won't get caught/break down from a half-assed attempt.In post 647, jon_h61 wrote:This sounds like Burdon of Proficiency, Mastin hadn't been in the game that long. I don't really have a read on Mastin yet.
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I answered to that in #550 and #628, do you need more or is that enough?In post 649, jon_h61 wrote:One thing I'd like is if dogog and MTD would give their thoughts on the issue where dopog said MTD was acting like he knew the Day 1 lynch (I forgot his name) was going to be Town. It was one of my main issues I wanted addressed. I think MTD is Town from my first read through. I've played with him once where he was Town, but I've never seen him scum.
still the same old MTD
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OK, I've never played with Mastin, but I know who he is from MD. I'll reserve judgment until he's back from interrogation.In post 651, Ms Marangal wrote:I don't see it. It's more of a "If you're going to try and read me, don't half-ass it" because doing so is pretty terrible and he has played with me enough to know that I probably won't get caught/break down from a half-assed attempt.In post 647, jon_h61 wrote:This sounds like Burdon of Proficiency, Mastin hadn't been in the game that long. I don't really have a read on Mastin yet.
You're my next ISO so I'll pay attention to your interactions with him, and then I'll ISO him.
@ MTD I remember reading those posts. I'm getting the feeling dopog is scum. I've noticed dopog has long absences, and I'm not liking his scum hunting when he is here. He's latched onto MTD with a scum read because... MTD thought Muffin was Town. He doesn't say anything else on MTD, ignoring everything else in the game. When he asks questions of others, the questions are generic. Go back and read them, they're safe questions. His number two scum read is on a lurker. Someone who isn't around enough to defend themselves.
I also don't like the fact that he started on MTD in 71, and except for a brief time of voting P1, hasn't suspected or
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questioned anyone else. This is something scum do frequently, it keeps them from scum hunting. When scum scum hunt, they risk getting caught.@ dopog I'd like to hear your updated reads. I'm considering placing my vote on you. I'm getting the impression that since think you found something on MTD, you're going to ride it without adding much effort to finding out his alignment. Do you have other reasons for thinking MTD's scum?
In 515, if I understand right, you're implying MTD and dessew are a scum team? Or they're not a scum team?
I talked myself into it.
VOTE: dopog
I was going to wait until I finished ISOs to vote, but that isn't happening as quickly as I thought.
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Meh, I've played with Mastin a lot. This entrance was weak as hell, but I'm not overly concerned with mastin-scum. She can't maintain posting volume in her scum games, just lynch her if the walls feel forced or shitty (forced walls is a general scum tell from mastin).
Also the opening wall means literally nothing - chances are she prepared 90% of that before she entered the game and even knew her alignment. Because Mastin.
Dear, are you scum? Because this is feeling a tad modern family.
Also the opening wall means literally nothing - chances are she prepared 90% of that before she entered the game and even knew her alignment. Because Mastin.
Dear, are you scum? Because this is feeling a tad modern family.
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So if we lynched you would you give a shit?
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No? I mean you'd be wrong, and I'm not gonna play against my wincondition and say "yes please lynch me", but this game has gotten to the point where I cba to provide real content. I'm happy to lynch dopog with you, I still want Shos dead. That's about the level of effort I have here.
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Can I paraphrase the contents of the QT?Helpful hint, game-me and theory-me are completely different.In post 654, jon_h61 wrote:I've never played with Mastin, but I know who she is from MD.
Extremely well. I'm still working on fully regaining my focus, my drive, and my passion for the game, but it was a huge improvement from where I was, even if not as good as it could have been. (AP got kinda unresponsive near the end and Empking was a no-show.)In post 660, Guyett wrote:How did it go mastin?
Well, my read on you was apathetic before, but now it's more scum.In post 630, Ms Marangal wrote:I will be spending quality time with mastin myself when she gets back.
We had already long, LONG since done that by the time you posted this. I'll do so as soon as Antihero gives the go-ahead to paraphrase. We blazed a bright fire of nearly a hundred posts. (Okay, not quite, but it's closer to 100 than it is to 50, and I'm rounding up to the nearest 50. )In post 633, Guyett wrote:Mastin talk to them about their town and scum reads.
talk about previous investigations ect
Basic version, when scumhunting AP said Mara was a solid lynch for today, and MTD's alignment was opposite of mine. (We didn't get the time for him to realize I was town. I'll get his stance more accurately defined when I get the go-ahead for the paraphrase.) He was suspicious of shos, but thought that he shouldn't be lynched today. GI's a townread, Guyett's our strongest townread, they've not got a town wincon, and AP posted about a usurper, but later implied that he was lying about that. My posting after that largely focused on using that piece of info for reads, which as I pointed out to him made his claim of there being a mafia usurper stupid because it wasted our time if he was trolling. (For the curious, shos/GreyICE were my picks in this discussion for usurper.)
That's leaving out way too much (and doesn't really feel like it accurately conveys the info), but it's as much as I can share without paraphrasing.
VOTE: MS Marangal.
Overall, leaning towards her and MTD being scum, quite strongly, and that shos is actually town.
I did have a jon scumread, but AP disagreed; we were discussing it before AP did the usurper distraction, and that discussion never got restarted.
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I think if the interrogation times were shorter, this'd be an interesting mechanic. Waiting three days to find out what our cops asked is a bit demotivating. This time around it's helping me get up to speed, so there's that.
My wife just got an unexpected $250 check, but we have to go get it. It's like an hour and a half drive one way. We're going to hang around for pizza too. My point is, I'm going to be gone most of the day. If I'm not too wiped out and it's not too late I'll read a few more ISOs and give a few more reads.
For now I'm leaning
MTD This is more from meta of the last game I played with him. Plus he does look like he wants to catch scum.
Grey In my last finished game neil(plus numbers) tunneled the hell out of me and then he flipped Town. So going hard on a scum read sometimes is TvT. In my experience most 1v1's Day 1 have been TvT. Scum love to let Town tear itself up. I'm guessing that's the case here, for now. I know there's a logical fallacy in there, but I don't care.
Sorry that's all I got ATM.
dopog for reasons stated. If he posts something convincing me he's not just active lurking, this may change. I know I just watered down the scum read by saying this, but he deserves a chance at a rebuttal.
Ms. I don't like that she says if she was scum Mastin would have already found her out, plus a little niggling from a scum game she played with me once upon a time.
Shos did something similar, but what convinces me someone's not scum is sensible scum hunting, at least something I can understand the reasons behind. If accusations are totally screwy, there might be scum.
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Everyone else. If anyone doesn't like being null, tell me why you should be in my Town or scum categories and I'll consider it.
I'm hoping to be completely caught up with ISO's by tomorrow afternoon. By then I'll be fully invested in the game.
These reads may change dramatically between now and then, only time (and effort) will tell.
pedit I'm also interested in Mastin's experience with the cops. I've had this page up since this morning, it got a lot of posts since then. I can't read them, I have to leave (my wife says NOW!)
@ Mastin Can you give us any insights into if and how the Police can be used to Town's advantage. Did they have any good insights into the game? Who are they suspecting, and why?
My wife just got an unexpected $250 check, but we have to go get it. It's like an hour and a half drive one way. We're going to hang around for pizza too. My point is, I'm going to be gone most of the day. If I'm not too wiped out and it's not too late I'll read a few more ISOs and give a few more reads.
For now I'm leaning
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on MTD This is more from meta of the last game I played with him. Plus he does look like he wants to catch scum.
Grey In my last finished game neil(plus numbers) tunneled the hell out of me and then he flipped Town. So going hard on a scum read sometimes is TvT. In my experience most 1v1's Day 1 have been TvT. Scum love to let Town tear itself up. I'm guessing that's the case here, for now. I know there's a logical fallacy in there, but I don't care.
Sorry that's all I got ATM.
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dopog for reasons stated. If he posts something convincing me he's not just active lurking, this may change. I know I just watered down the scum read by saying this, but he deserves a chance at a rebuttal.
Ms. I don't like that she says if she was scum Mastin would have already found her out, plus a little niggling from a scum game she played with me once upon a time.
Shos did something similar, but what convinces me someone's not scum is sensible scum hunting, at least something I can understand the reasons behind. If accusations are totally screwy, there might be scum.
LL
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be scum, demotivating Town is sometimes a scum tell.Null
Everyone else. If anyone doesn't like being null, tell me why you should be in my Town or scum categories and I'll consider it.
I'm hoping to be completely caught up with ISO's by tomorrow afternoon. By then I'll be fully invested in the game.
These reads may change dramatically between now and then, only time (and effort) will tell.
pedit I'm also interested in Mastin's experience with the cops. I've had this page up since this morning, it got a lot of posts since then. I can't read them, I have to leave (my wife says NOW!)
@ Mastin Can you give us any insights into if and how the Police can be used to Town's advantage. Did they have any good insights into the game? Who are they suspecting, and why?
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I start out saying I'm his, and giving a basic summary of the game, and how it made me think shos/MTD were scum, but that I was also suspicious of Mara. AP starts out asking what he thinks their wincon is. He hadn't read much of the game, but wanted my opinions on others and the game. (We crossposted a lot.) He also kept on trying to bait me into claiming to be mafia, much to my annoyance, and also thought Guyett was town. (He later elaborated on it somewhat, that Guyett's QT looked town. Speaking of which, Guyett, I also answered AP on why you were asking about me in said QT, because I am well aware of why you asked.)
I answer his wincon question, basically saying that I don't know and that I don't really care to know; I'd treat him like he was town even if he wasn't. I said that being paranoid of one another would just waste our time. (A prediction partially true, as shown later.) I also say that I can't remember why I townread PrivateI, and that jon's entrance strongly looked like scum. I give a most-town to least-town list:
Guyett
GreyICE
LLD
dopog
shos/MS Marangal
MS Marangal/shos (at the time, strength in read was equal)
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MTD.
Then AP said that shos might be scummy (later elaborating that shos's jabs in the QT looked really bad), but shouldn't be lynched today. AP also spewed about a godfather, and asks about the number of scum I think are present. I answer his concerns, townread shos, and say two scum alive, for three total. I also scumread MTD heavily for 621.
AP mentioned if not for Mindreader, he'd be much more strongly townreading GreyICE off of his posting (both in-thread and during N1), and I share that sentiment to some extent. It's at this point that AP supports the Mara lynch. I then go on to do some speculation about the scum, and also realize that officially, I don't exist. (I don't have my role PM.)
We're a little past the half-way point, and things go a little bit south, since AP quips about scumreading me, and brushes off my response. We do discuss PrivateI a bit, but he disagreed about my scumread on jonh's post and said it was nullish-town, rather than scum as I said. And then AP went and mentioned (with no hint of deception) the mafia usurper, even saying it was in his PM but not clearly. He asked me about it, so I spent some amount of time answering. The jonh debate continued as I argued scum-faking, but ultimately, the usurper talk surpassed it. He even joined in and said it'd logically be GreyICE.
Then he basically went "trololol, you actually believe me", and my answer was a long-winded, "...Yes? Why wouldn't I? I specifically said I was going to..."
But we never got a chance for him to clear that up. His last contribution was calling me and MTD oppositely-aligned and GI town; that was it, and the QT was left incomplete.
(Paraphrase still not entirely accurate, since I'm not sure how strict Antihero is about the "not quoting" part, because my initial wording of paraphrasing is some of the actual wording used. Butyeah, that's basically it, condensed down a bit but otherwise summarizing things.)
I start out saying I'm his, and giving a basic summary of the game, and how it made me think shos/MTD were scum, but that I was also suspicious of Mara. AP starts out asking what he thinks their wincon is. He hadn't read much of the game, but wanted my opinions on others and the game. (We crossposted a lot.) He also kept on trying to bait me into claiming to be mafia, much to my annoyance, and also thought Guyett was town. (He later elaborated on it somewhat, that Guyett's QT looked town. Speaking of which, Guyett, I also answered AP on why you were asking about me in said QT, because I am well aware of why you asked.)
I answer his wincon question, basically saying that I don't know and that I don't really care to know; I'd treat him like he was town even if he wasn't. I said that being paranoid of one another would just waste our time. (A prediction partially true, as shown later.) I also say that I can't remember why I townread PrivateI, and that jon's entrance strongly looked like scum. I give a most-town to least-town list:
Guyett
GreyICE
LLD
dopog
shos/MS Marangal
MS Marangal/shos (at the time, strength in read was equal)
jonh
MTD.
Then AP said that shos might be scummy (later elaborating that shos's jabs in the QT looked really bad), but shouldn't be lynched today. AP also spewed about a godfather, and asks about the number of scum I think are present. I answer his concerns, townread shos, and say two scum alive, for three total. I also scumread MTD heavily for 621.
AP mentioned if not for Mindreader, he'd be much more strongly townreading GreyICE off of his posting (both in-thread and during N1), and I share that sentiment to some extent. It's at this point that AP supports the Mara lynch. I then go on to do some speculation about the scum, and also realize that officially, I don't exist. (I don't have my role PM.)
We're a little past the half-way point, and things go a little bit south, since AP quips about scumreading me, and brushes off my response. We do discuss PrivateI a bit, but he disagreed about my scumread on jonh's post and said it was nullish-town, rather than scum as I said. And then AP went and mentioned (with no hint of deception) the mafia usurper, even saying it was in his PM but not clearly. He asked me about it, so I spent some amount of time answering. The jonh debate continued as I argued scum-faking, but ultimately, the usurper talk surpassed it. He even joined in and said it'd logically be GreyICE.
Then he basically went "trololol, you actually believe me", and my answer was a long-winded, "...Yes? Why wouldn't I? I specifically said I was going to..."
But we never got a chance for him to clear that up. His last contribution was calling me and MTD oppositely-aligned and GI town; that was it, and the QT was left incomplete.
(Paraphrase still not entirely accurate, since I'm not sure how strict Antihero is about the "not quoting" part, because my initial wording of paraphrasing is some of the actual wording used. Butyeah, that's basically it, condensed down a bit but otherwise summarizing things.)
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Exactly what it sounds like?In post 663, MTD wrote:I am curious what that is supposed to mean.
They don't have a town wincon. He never shared what it was (not like I'd actually fully trust him on it, anyway--I'll trust him when blazing, not so much when out here; I told him that much explicitly), but it was quite obvious that bit of his posting wasn't a lie. Between saying that they're helping the town and yet trying to get me to claim scum, it's kinda obvious that he wasn't either.
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So, you lied when you told me Shos was the greater scum-read when I brought it up prior to getting called in for investigation. ok
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and, not only that, but you completely ignore the fact that I was starting to gear up towards trying to lynch you which is something that should have caught your attention because you know that I'm probably never going to stop until I get the lynch I want (as either alignment, but I'm more pushy as scum) and, at that point, you had MTD under myself and John however you havn't even thought of pushing either of them prior to getting called into investigation.
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I'm adding Kovara into your ISO, but I'd like to hear from you what makes you conf.Town?In post 488, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm also gonna go balls out and say that I'm pretty much conf. town at this point which is kinda weird for me and I'm glad that Kovara hadn't gotten swayed from his scum-spects
Post 496 looked Town the first time I read it. You have an awful lot of scum reads for someone who thinks we have one scum left. What's worse is that I get the feeling you already had picked who you were going to push for lynches. I push hard on cases when I'm reasonably certain their scum too. I just don't like how you've preselected (at least it looks that way to me) who you're going to scum read.
I was thinking as I read your ISO that it was content light myself. You do make it plain who you suspect, but the whys need filled in, at least if you want to convince me to your side. AS for LLD, I'm not sure if frustrated Town or scum.In post 525, Ms Marangal wrote:I find it kinda weird, that LLD only had an issue with the walls coming out of this slot the moment I start posting. She had no problems with Kovara even though He made more walls and was 10x more trollish and anti-town than I could ev be
You're asking rhetorical questions, ones that don't help find scum.In post 577, Ms Marangal wrote:Why are we talking about mylo/lylo considering we had just lynched scum and is probably pretty far away from mylo/lyloWhy are we talking about cop alignments again (pretty sure we had gone out of that a while back)and, if Garmr/Mastin is town where is she? she should be leading this and she should be hammering down on me pretty damn hard if she actually thinks that I'm scum here because she knows I can be pretty slimy, but I don't see any of that at all.
You did ask dopog "Why would you only be content with those two as lynch contenders? is everyone else town"
which I'm not certain if he answered or not.
My conclusion for Mara, I'm leaning null scum on her. Her lack on content and what looks to tunneling while having lots of scum reads to fall back on is making me even more uncomfortable with the slot. The null-scum read is probably more scum-null.
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My plan of attack is going to be this; keep doing ISOs' on slots still in the game while staying relevant with the current happenings in Thread.
Being a replacement has both advantages and disadvantages. It helps to give Town fresh insights into the game, but you miss a lot of nuances you pick up if you're part of the conversation as it happens.
If anyone needs clarification on anything I've said, or have questions/accusations, etc. for me, speak now...
Being a replacement has both advantages and disadvantages. It helps to give Town fresh insights into the game, but you miss a lot of nuances you pick up if you're part of the conversation as it happens.
If anyone needs clarification on anything I've said, or have questions/accusations, etc. for me, speak now...
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I can understand the emotions behind this post, but guyett's early playIn post 313, Guyett wrote:I just fucking subbed in.what do you expect me to have done?
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lacking. Guyett's posts are mostly one liners. I'm not seeing Town motivation in the questions he's asking. In a recently finished game with Anka, he did something similar. Safe one liners, then coming on all offended when someone asked a question, or expressed suspicion. He was scum.
There isn't all that much to comment on, his posts are fluffy. I'm not seeing him doing anything to firm up any of his scum reads. He has quite a few.
The latter half of Guyett's ISO looks better, but I want to go back and read his posts within the context they were written. I'll have questions for Guyett, I'm sure.
Null for now.
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In post 673, jon_h61 wrote:I can understand the emotions behind this post, but guyett's early playIn post 313, Guyett wrote:I just fucking subbed in.what do you expect me to have done?islacking.
Guyett's posts are mostly one liners. I'm not seeing Town motivation in the questions he's asking. In a recently finished game with Anka, he did something similar. Safe one liners, then coming on all offended when someone asked a question, or expressed suspicion. He was scum.
There isn't all that much to comment on, his posts are fluffy. I'm not seeing him doing anything to firm up any of his scum reads. He has quite a few.
The latter half of Guyett's ISO looks better, but I want to go back and read his posts within the context they were written. I'll have questions for Guyett, I'm sure.
Null for now.
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