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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:54 pm
by Nero Cain
TroubledTownie wrote:
Nero Cain wrote:
TroubledTownie wrote:
Nero Cain wrote:he's ABR's buddy


That's it? After I say you've been coasting on your ABR vote and not doing much, you switch to another wagon with 'He's ABR's buddy' as your reasoning?

Come on, share.

Well first I think that the way ABR went out of his way to avoid agreeing with Ac looked like buddyplay. I also think that ABR saying that he'd be willing to vote Ac but when challenged to vote him he refused.


Active lurking, has that replaced your vanilla lurking strategy as scum?

huh? Are you an alt? I also haven't lurked this whole game.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:55 pm
by kiwieagle
Nero Cain wrote:scum DO get emotional, so do town. Its null. Maybe if there's meta evidence that you are more emotional as scum than town. Talk to me about your reads on ABR and AC?

1. ABR I am fine with. To be honest with you, I have you more as scum. But hey at least I can trust you to not flip shit when I call you scum like all these new players.
2. AC I would be okay lynching as outlined in my previous post. But if hes town Elusive is scum and vice versa. Still prefer Elusive though.

pedit
Nero, he cant be an alt. No experienced mafia player would tunnel on fucking wording about whether I got emotional or not.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:56 pm
by Albert B. Rampage
Come on, Kiwi, help me vote Nero. I know you're town, help me brother.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:57 pm
by TroubledTownie
Nero Cain wrote:
huh? Are you an alt? I also haven't lurked this whole game.


No, just looked at a few of your games. You mentioned that lurking is your scum-play.

You're pretty much active-lurking. Most of your posts could be replaced with 'yeah, I'm here, see I'm town'.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:58 pm
by Nero Cain
Why do you think I am scum kiwi?

@TT yea.....no.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:01 pm
by Nero Cain
like I've been pushing my ABR scum read an the tier 1 both passionately. TT's assertion that I'm active lurking is so mind boggling that I wonder if he understands what it means.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:02 pm
by kiwieagle
I can agree TT does not know what he is doing.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:03 pm
by Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Come on, Kiwi, help me vote Nero. I know you're town, help me brother.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:05 pm
by kiwieagle
I know this sounds really damn bad but its friday night and I am going to have to go out and possibly won't be in the best mental state when I come back in some hours.

I will try to answer to the best of my ability any legitimate queries and accusations when I come back.


I really would have to read Nero in depth because I usually don't pay that much attention to people I am not in direct confrontation with.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:05 pm
by kiwieagle
Also, its like people forgot Elusive existed and she just left randomly as well.

All that talk of the self-hammer for nothing.


Good luck guys.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:12 pm
by bankaikiller
Vote nero


Let's see your mental state, when votes start adding up on you.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:13 pm
by bankaikiller
Vote nero

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:14 pm
by Nero Cain
kiwieagle wrote:I can agree TT does not know what he is doing.

that or he's scum and is throwing around a buzzword in hopes to discredit me or something.

:? Why are you voting banka?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:23 pm
by House
Xombie wrote:VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.


Get used to it.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:24 pm
by kiwieagle
Oh haha i lied i am back

i just want to state that to have crusaded vote with reason this whole game I cant just change vote so quickly like bankai or abril or house because thats just not how I play.

I am not some sort of pawn. I have opinions damnit.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:25 pm
by Xombie
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.


Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:26 pm
by elusive
kiwieagle wrote:Also, its like people forgot Elusive existed and she just left randomly as well.

All that talk of the self-hammer for nothing.


Good luck guys.


So you refuse to scum hunt? Others have already posted regarding your self-contradictions. Have a strong read on anyone. Town, scum, etc. I believe that there are 3 scum in this setup. SO you may hunt at least 3 people. Ready, set, go....

I do find some people on my wagon opportunistic.

House, you voted me twice. Did you forget your first vote?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:27 pm
by House
Xombie wrote:
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.


Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!


If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:28 pm
by kiwieagle
Once I start driving again (gas stop) I will be MIA forma some hours.

Pedir
Oh hi elusive
Such a shame I wont be abl to adres you for a while.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:28 pm
by House
elusive wrote:
kiwieagle wrote:Also, its like people forgot Elusive existed and she just left randomly as well.

All that talk of the self-hammer for nothing.


Good luck guys.


So you refuse to scum hunt? Others have already posted regarding your self-contradictions. Have a strong read on anyone. Town, scum, etc. I believe that there are 3 scum in this setup. SO you may hunt at least 3 people. Ready, set, go....

I do find some people on my wagon opportunistic.

House, you voted me twice. Did you forget your first vote?


VOTE: elusive

For annoying me.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:29 pm
by House
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.


Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!


If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact
I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.


@elusive

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:29 pm
by Nero Cain
ZOMG I in a road to rome game

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:30 pm
by eyestott
@314: Seriously, stop revealing. Why would you reveal class? Theres no need.
@321: What? Do you think theres no anti-town or something? I do not like "I have great trust in you all, so trust in me." . First part is illogical for a townie, and 2nd part is just an AtE.

elusive wrote:1. What do you think of Rampage and his detractors (House, Nero, Fuzzy)
2. Who are the people you think need to post more to get a solid read on?

Idk, what are some examples of really good questions?

1: I'm super bad at reading people early on. Day 1, im useless. Only person i have a read on at this point is House, and that's a weak town read.
2: Probably the less active people, but for me, everyone, i guess.

Those two questions are pretty good. I like to ask questions that, while not fluff, arent conventional. Like, "if you were to be nightkilled tonight, why would that be?", and other things that force scum to think about what town them would think.
@336 Elusive has likely already answered that question, but I would like to say something about it too. I feel that scum are more likely to answer questions like that than town, as scum dont really care about scumhunting as much as town. I followed along, to try and see if other people would join in. Not sure if it worked, or if that was elusive's intention, but its possible.
Ozgin wrote:Bankai (I find it hard to trust someone who is an easy-to-press snitch)

Wait, why does that make him more likely to be scum? If you distrust him because of an event not correlated to his alignment?

@acryon: do you feel your responses to #240 in post 387 achieved anything? Eg. Helped you read others or helped others read you? How?

Ozgin wrote:I understand, my artificial and patronizing tone (coined by elusive) is probably intimidating.

Absolutely nothing to do with why i'm finding you suspicious. You claimed to trust everyone, you roleclaimed after I had done so, and had gotten some minor townreads from that, and you scumread Bankai for a bad reason.
elusive wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ozgin's name is red, he's clearly the mod confirmed scum.


There's some holes in your theory. I went back and looked at the shadowmelt stuff. Why would scum use shadowmelt? Based on the unwarranted confessions, Ozgin used his racial ability which is why the colors are like that. What benefit is it to scum to use an ability in thread? To alert other scum? To set up a fake claim? Just because he's got a an annoying voice doesn't mean that you don't either. In fact,
Rampage, part of me wonders if you'll be NKed tonight because if not...then you are most likely scum.1
Try cases or you know not causing whiplash.

kiwieagle, it's not just the bankai thing although that's certainly part of it. You asked for a reason to discuss but then you disappeared. Also, when I see you decimate scum I'll believe,
otherwise you've been coasting.2


1: What? Why would you say that? If hes town, scum can just not nightkill him, and then youll be like, super sure he is scum. Why would he be a likely NK if he is town?
2: Well, ive sorta been coasting too. Granted, Ive had good reason for my inactivity, but inactivity=/= scum.
Ozgin wrote:I mean, kiwieagle has responded a lot, but we have almost entirely silent parties floating around like eyestott.

Interesting, seeing as how i had more posts than you at that point.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Read her answer to GGG.

Listen, I have a 1-shot day cop that I just used on Elusive. She is scum. 100%.

Why do you have a day cop? Unless its a gambit, then I expect a reason you have a useful power when I, and other races, do not.

Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm not sure if scum have daytalk and are coaching you...but your post on the last page didn't sound scummy. Some might say it sounded townie.

I'm not as certain about Nero Cain as I was about you originally, but I think there's a solid chance he might flip scum so that's who I'll stick my vote with right now.

His behavior seemed like he didn't want to hammer because he knew it was going to be a mislynch, and he kept making soft posts saying we should wait to hammer while also calling you scummy. I really don't like it. It's like he needed to think of a reason to vote for you to justify it to the town before placing his vote. And he seemed to be happy that I was taking charge of the wagon, perhaps deluding himself into an easy day to get through for his team. So I'm highly suspicious of Nero Cain right now.

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nero Cain, top of my list of scum. Acryon second. I can't believe I'm saying this, but elusive seems just about as town as my top townread kiwi.

Wait, one post changes your view from top scumread to top townread? Couldn't scum have made that post? I guess the daycop was a gambit. Suspected it, but wasnt sure.
kiwieagle wrote:Fuzzy and scott are both being pretty damn inactive but alas thats a battle for another day.

Seriously? My dog just died. Give me some time.
Taking a break now.

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:30 pm
by House
eyestott: Where does your townread of me come from?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:32 pm
by Xombie
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:
House wrote:
Xombie wrote:VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.


Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!


If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.


I did see that too
But you not playing/being as active is not alignment indicative
Whereas
You towning it up in a game is more indicative of your scum play, as your town game is scummy as hell