Open 614: Diffusion of Power (THE TOWN WINS!)

[Aj The Epic]

I'm still most suspicious of AJ for not suspecting Anatole when Anatole was scumreading White Fire after White Fire was cleared by AJ.

So I was pushing a scum lynch over pushing a town lynch and then pushing a scum lynch?

[Fro99er]

I SAID I NEED TO LOOK AT WAGONS JESUS

[White Fire]

Double confirming Tim's innocence because we saved him ^_^

LOL WE SAVED YOU!!!

I am preeeeetty sure you were the nk

I mean. We were both clear and you were clearly more important as a town player. We have been lacking a bit

[texcat]

It's possible it's Pano is clearing davesaz too as Pano!scum, but IDK that's pretty risky to narrow the pool down to themselves, texcat, and AJ (but it's all WIFOM). Basically WF, davesaz and us are conftown, so that's good. We have a lynchpool of three...the cop clears.

Not so risky. If we had no claim Today, I would be looking to lynch in the unknown pool of Pano and Davesaz. The cop claim put Panopticon into a pool of 3, instead of the pool of 2.

[TimHoward]

Nah, you're not even making sense now.

it went from a pool of 4 (you, Pano, davesaz, AJ) to a pool of 3 (you, Pano, AJ).

[TimHoward]

I would be looking to lynch in the unknown pool of Pano and Davesaz

But it's not about you. It's about everyone in this game, and the rest of us only knew that our slot and white fire were clear, including Pano. It's very easy to see how scum could make up a cop clear on someone.

[Aj The Epic]

In my defense, if I'm scum I've been a promoter of a Flow Alpha lynch and a Kop lynch without supporting anyone else outside of White Fire, who I CLEARED. I'd be hard bussing my entire team at this point for no good reason, when alternative lynches existed on those days.

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Official Vote Count

texcat

(1): White Fire

Not Voting

(5): Aj The Epic, TimHoward, davesaz, Panopticon, texcat

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-12-10 18:00:00)

[Fro99er]

In my defense, if I'm scum I've been a promoter of a Flow Alpha lynch and a Kop lynch without supporting anyone else outside of White Fire, who I CLEARED. I'd be hard bussing my entire team at this point for no good reason, when alternative lynches existed on those days.

Also - not going go give much credence to AJ's claim. Could be AJ/WF cross voted each other as scum yesterday and let town lynch their buddy. Now they are gambiting a cop claim.

Or could just be AJ is scum and knows WF is town cop claiming for town cred.

Because in this scenerio it makes complete sense for me to gambit out my buddy day2 and hang the game on a knife's edge. It also makes sense for me to unvote as scum when it's an easy lynch to go through and I would've gotten easy cred for being on a scum lynch and a counterwagon to one at that. And then I unvoted only to convince my buddy to hammer.

Yes, I obviously see this as the correct play.
VOTE: TimHoward

The apathetic "we wanted scum" is not cutting it, either.

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah, thought about that after my post. In my defense, that vote was cut short pretty quickly in favor of Kop.

[Aj The Epic]

Sorry, it's not me. I need a reread that I won't have time for until later in the weekend, but my gut is telling me AJ is the scum.

This post makes zero sense in the context of your iso where you never have any questions about me anywhere.

[texcat]

After rereading day two and the interactions with Flow Alpha, I think Panopticon has to be the scum.

VOTE: Panopticon

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Official Vote Count

Panopticon

(1): texcat

texcat

(1): White Fire

Not Voting

(4): davesaz, Aj The Epic, Panopticon, TimHoward

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-12-10 18:00:00)

Sending daystart PM, because I forgot again!

[TimHoward]

After rereading day two and the interactions with Flow Alpha, I think Panopticon has to be the scum.

VOTE: Panopticon

Explain.

[TimHoward]

Never mind.

I see it

VOTE: Panopticon

[Panopticon]

VOTE: Texcat
After rereading day two and the interactions with Kop, I think Texcat has to be the scum.

*cough*

Really, though, you could actually articulate your case instead of being intentionally vague and hoping that pointing at large sections of the game let others connect imaginary dots for you.

[Panopticon]

Do you really think Flow Alpha would out both of his partners like that on D1?

[davesaz]

I've known scum to do exactly that, in order to point at it later and say they wouldn't do it.
It's 1am for me and don't think I can stay awake long enough to analyze right now...

[texcat]

Do you really think Flow Alpha would out both of his partners like that on D1?

It was D2, but yes, and I feel for you, but I do think Flow Alpha would out both his partners. Are you now trying to use the "scum wouldn't do that" defense?

Explain.

VOTE: Texcat
After rereading day two and the interactions with Kop, I think Texcat has to be the scum.

*cough*

Really, though, you could actually articulate your case instead of being intentionally vague and hoping that pointing at large sections of the game let others connect imaginary dots for you.

There is, of course, where Flow says that you are bussing him, more than once, but then turns around after his lynch and calls you townie. And I have to wonder why he focuses on you and Kop, instead of me, AJ, or Davesaz who were the first to vote Flow.

Panopticon are you bussing me?

IM TOWN NOT SCUM IM NOT CLAIMING SCUM

PANOPTICON AND KOP ARE MAKING UP LIES ABOUT ME

thoughts b4 death

Most townie people in the game are white fire, kop and panopticon.

But I think it would be useful for everyone to read from 293 down through 327. It seems to me that you started out calmly trying to instruct on things like why "scum wouldn't do that" is not a defense and what exactly bussing is. But at the end your frustration at having Flow for a scum partner was leaking out. This feels like confirmation bias from my side. That's one reason why I want people to read it for themselves.

[davesaz]

@TimHoward, is the thing you see in the same post range as texcat pointed out?

[Panopticon]

I think that scum are capable of anything, yes. I'm not saying it's not possible at all. I'm saying that I feel like I was thrown in with Kop as a red herring--if I should be lynched, it would reflect that Kop seems town due to association with my townflip and if Kop was lynched, this exact situation would happen where people see Flow's throwup of us as indication I am scum as well.

You seem to neglect that Flow Alpha also did the same thing with White Fire (accusations/awkward 180 townread) but you're not critical of that since AJ's clear there. It bothers me that your strongest point against me is something that is essentially proven not to be alignment indicative already.

I think that it's awkward that Texcat wants to 1v1 me like this, because when I flip, it'll be clear that he's the last scum and he'll just bite it. Maybe he has some plan I'm not seeing? Hm.

Regardless, lynch me if you want, we've got 2 more lynches left--just please consider that Texcat might just be town given how he's pushing me here, so please give this all a bit of thought should tomorrow be LYLO. I'd hate to get this far and luck out with my cop shot to have it all go to shit at the end.

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Official Vote Count

Panopticon

(2): texcat, TimHoward

texcat

(2): White Fire, Panopticon

Not Voting

(2): davesaz, Aj The Epic

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-12-10 18:00:00)

[Aj The Epic]

Time to break this stalemate.

VOTE: Panoptiocon

L-1

[TimHoward]

UNVOTE:

AJ why Pano over Tex?

[White Fire]

I would like to know that too.
I much rather have texcat lynched over pano right now.

-Fire