Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[Reubus Swagrid]

I wanna see what Reubus thinks atm, he is usually quite talkative...well not like Frogleveltalkative but still up there.

Soooo here's something: Drixx why the vote on me I am curious?

I want to hear this too

[Reubus Swagrid]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

For the time being...

VOTE: Drixx

[Drixx]

Just noting the only person who isn't confirmed town on the Phantom lynch is Drixx

The only confirmed town is Rufus. Nobody else is confirmed because I'm 1-shot BP which means the scum roleblocker knew about the Jailkeeper due to the blurt by Rufus, and therefore nobody is clear. Your attempt to claim that anyone alive other than Rufus is conftown is troubling, to say the least.

[Drixx]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

For the time being...

VOTE: Drixx

I would appreciate it if you didn't mock me for making a mistake. Thanks.

[kagesong]

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

For anyone that uses my late vote as lynch evidence, it's ok, I'll feel better once you realize my stuff was really stolen. So, I forgive you.

[notachipmunk]

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

For anyone that uses my late vote as lynch evidence, it's ok, I'll feel better once you realize my stuff was really stolen. So, I forgive you.

It's impossible to tell what is true and what is not for things like this, so sorry if that did happen to you. =(
It's unfortunate timing, though up till then your votes were for Rufus, and then Rufus again. (not including the RVS vote on kirroha)

[Reubus Swagrid]

Just noting the only person who isn't confirmed town on the Phantom lynch is Drixx

The only confirmed town is Rufus. Nobody else is confirmed because I'm 1-shot BP which means the scum roleblocker knew about the Jailkeeper due to the blurt by Rufus, and therefore nobody is clear. Your attempt to claim that anyone alive other than Rufus is conftown is troubling, to say the least.

Sorry I self confirmed myself in that post

[Reubus Swagrid]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

For the time being...

VOTE: Drixx

I would appreciate it if you didn't mock me for making a mistake. Thanks.

I'm not mocking you Drixx, I just find it very suprising

[Reubus Swagrid]

*surprising

I need more sleep

[Reubus Swagrid]

We kinda already pursued the Frog = Scum line of thinking. Without a Bulletproof Townie, it doesn't work out.

Reubus did the Rufus = Scum line of thinking but without any other power role claim, it doesn't work out.

We're currently on PhantomCobalt = Scum with a hint of Kagesong = scum in the mix.

Drixx, Reubus & Notachipmunk haven't had much suspicion pointed at them but they all voted on a scum lynch D1, if you can think of any reason to suspect one of them more than PhantomCobalt...we've got time I guess.

Personally I'd rather string up PhantomCobalt and be done with it.


Also, I read 'That other guy' as Kagesong.

For everyone who mentioned me as a no show. I had a personal emergency, which included my laptop getting stolen and hours with cops. I honestly thought it was still monday. IF THE MOD WILL HONOR IT my official vote is VOTE: literallypam

If not, I apologize for my absence and hope you all understand.

SO PLEASE QUIT EXCLUDING ME FROM THE PAM VOTE.

So late tho. Legit the credibility this late a vote gives is next to nothing

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

For anyone that uses my late vote as lynch evidence, it's ok, I'll feel better once you realize my stuff was really stolen. So, I forgive you.

I really don't think your vote is indicative of alignment, anyone could've hopped on late so it's barely worth classing as evidence in cases for and against

[Reubus Swagrid]

You all realize I could have just "confessed" I was the 1-shot and said I hoped that I would draw night fire since the scum must know I exist, instead of telling you the truth that I mixed up games and literally didn't realize until Phantom was lynched and the thread was locked, right? If I were scum and this was a fake claim, it would not be "Oops I forgot" but "Damn ... I wish I had successfully drawn fire" and it probably wouldn't have happened today right at the day start.

Look at day one and tell me why I would have been the architect of my partner's demise when given every opportunity to go get a mislynch somewhere instead, if I were scum.

This isn't even difficult at all. I would have to be holding the most gigantic idiot ball ever made to be scum and have acted as I have.

VOTE: notachipmunk

With this in mind

UNVOTE: Drixx

[Reubus Swagrid]

Could you tell me why you're convinced its more likely chipmunk than kage?

[Drixx]

Could you tell me why you're convinced its more likely chipmunk than kage?

I compared the lynch pool in ISO together. The confirmed are me and Rufus. That leaves You, Kage and Notachipmunk. Out of the three of you, notachipmunk's ISO looks more like a fabrication to me, while you are low on content but it seems to be legitimately involved with the game, and I can't find anything that smells wrong about Kage. I can do a spoiler wall on each of you tomorrow if you like. I need to finish some writing that is overdue and get it submitted. It's the only reason I'm up so late.

Thanks for thinking through things. I totally get the shock that I would so royally screw up. I really wish I hadn't. We could have put together a much better plan had town known what scum knew.

I still think we have this. We know it wasn't the replacements paired with pam, because they've been killed. Evaluating what they said and who they threatened or cleared will be helpful. Frog and I had a bit of a difference of opinion obviously and there was some friction. I'm wondering if those two (who are obviously friends prior to here) were killed to put me in a frame?

Anyway ... we need significant content from You, Kage and Chipmunk today so that Rufus and I can read you now and read you earlier and see if we can finish the game today.

[kagesong]

Could you tell me why you're convinced its more likely chipmunk than kage?

I compared the lynch pool in ISO together. The confirmed are me and Rufus. That leaves You, Kage and Notachipmunk. Out of the three of you, notachipmunk's ISO looks more like a fabrication to me, while you are low on content but it seems to be legitimately involved with the game, and I can't find anything that smells wrong about Kage. I can do a spoiler wall on each of you tomorrow if you like. I need to finish some writing that is overdue and get it submitted. It's the only reason I'm up so late.

Thanks for thinking through things. I totally get the shock that I would so royally screw up. I really wish I hadn't. We could have put together a much better plan had town known what scum knew.

I still think we have this. We know it wasn't the replacements paired with pam, because they've been killed. Evaluating what they said and who they threatened or cleared will be helpful. Frog and I had a bit of a difference of opinion obviously and there was some friction. I'm wondering if those two (who are obviously friends prior to here) were killed to put me in a frame?

Anyway ... we need significant content from You, Kage and Chipmunk today so that Rufus and I can read you now and read you earlier and see if we can finish the game today.

I don't know about adding significant content. But your point is both true and troubling. If you are not scum, targeting the people you disliked would be ideal. The same target could cause FOS on me however. As far as you conftown, that is assuming that you are indeed 1SBP. If there's a RB no one clear. The rest gets into some obvious WIFOM that is probably going through everyone's head. What it comes down to, is how can we prove you are BP without scum targeting you?

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 3.1

kagesong (1):

Rufus Delorian

notachipmunk (1):

Drixx

No Vote (3):

kagesong, notachipmunk, Reubus Swagrid

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday, April 4, 2016 at 8:00 AM CDT, which is in (expired on 2016-04-04 08:00:00).

[notachipmunk]

@Drixx - yeah if you can do a spoiler wall thing at some point that would be cool, since I'm not sure what you mean

@Kage - The only way I can think to confirm Drixx is BP is to lynch him pretty much, and that would be bad idea if it turned out he wasn't lying because then it's a wasted lynch. If he is lying, then great, he is scum. I don't think there is a way to confirm it at this point, which is also why it would be pretty safe to fakeclaim it.

[kagesong]

@Drixx - yeah if you can do a spoiler wall thing at some point that would be cool, since I'm not sure what you mean

@Kage - The only way I can think to confirm Drixx is BP is to lynch him pretty much, and that would be bad idea if it turned out he wasn't lying because then it's a wasted lynch. If he is lying, then great, he is scum. I don't think there is a way to confirm it at this point, which is also why it would be pretty safe to fakeclaim it.

precisely

[Drixx]

Seriously? You guys can clear me using logic alone.

1.) If I were scum, I would not have claimed BP without any pressure on me, nor would it have been claimed anywhere near the way I did. People actually outright said in BOLD for the BP not to claim and hope to draw night fire. I could have said "I hoped the scum would shoot me, but they didn't and I feel like it's time to claim so the town knows nobody is clear" or some blather like that. Instead I told you guys the honest truth of what happened. It's embarrassing and it doesn't do anything at all to help a scum agenda; it in fact brings negative attention to me. It makes no logical sense to take this approach when a much nicer and elegant story was available to me... unless it's the truth. It's the truth.

2.) If I were scum, that would mean that I went after my partner on day one relentlessly, even when I was urged to look elsewhere and even when FrogSC2 was slinging insults at me because I stuck to my guns and said "I find one scum, and I make sure it dies; THEN I worry about the partner." (paraphrased obviously). I not only had the opportunity to go to a wagon on someone else, I was being actively insulted that I wasn't doing so. Please explain to me what rational motive could possibly lead me to do that on day one, if I were scum.

When you take just those two points together, it becomes obvious that I'm not scum. The two of you avoiding looking at context makes it seem likely that one of you is scum and the other is erm ... bad at logic.

[notachipmunk]

Neither of us is voting for you right now or straight up saying YOU ARE SCUM. I think it is just silly to completely disregard it.

I get that with the 2 points you mentioned it is less likely, but that doesn't make it impossible - the only 100% logical clear is Rufus.
Are you saying that that combination of things

never

happens and that scum

always

follow a series of planned steps that make sense to everyone else?
If so, then kage makes logical sense to me. But I am not a fan of jumping to conclusions that quickly.

[kagesong]

Seriously? You guys can clear me using logic alone.

1.) If I were scum, I would not have claimed BP without any pressure on me, nor would it have been claimed anywhere near the way I did. People actually outright said in BOLD for the BP not to claim and hope to draw night fire. I could have said "I hoped the scum would shoot me, but they didn't and I feel like it's time to claim so the town knows nobody is clear" or some blather like that. Instead I told you guys the honest truth of what happened. It's embarrassing and it doesn't do anything at all to help a scum agenda; it in fact brings negative attention to me. It makes no logical sense to take this approach when a much nicer and elegant story was available to me... unless it's the truth. It's the truth.

2.) If I were scum, that would mean that I went after my partner on day one relentlessly, even when I was urged to look elsewhere and even when FrogSC2 was slinging insults at me because I stuck to my guns and said "I find one scum, and I make sure it dies; THEN I worry about the partner." (paraphrased obviously). I not only had the opportunity to go to a wagon on someone else, I was being actively insulted that I wasn't doing so. Please explain to me what rational motive could possibly lead me to do that on day one, if I were scum.

When you take just those two points together, it becomes obvious that I'm not scum. The two of you avoiding looking at context makes it seem likely that one of you is scum and the other is erm ... bad at logic.

I'm just saying that there are reasons it could make you seem more and less suspicious. It depends on how much wine there is.

[Rufus Delorian]

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

It's a bit of an old post but I'm quoting it here because I was sure Drixx was the bulletproof after it, which was why I was initially reluctant to accept Frog as cleared and kept asking the BP to step forwards.

Also, if there isn't a Roleblocker, I should have been NKd. If there is, it's useful to keep me around as long as BP doesn't claim because it could lead to scum getting cleared...such as if I "jailed" scum last night.

@Kagesong, on D2 you kept arguing that Frog was wrong & not cleared because there could be a Roleblocker, today Drixx has confirmed that there is one but you're not convinced, what changed?

[Drixx]

At the time of post #321 I did believe Frog was potentially scum, and I thought you had claimed to draw fire Rufus. I was trying to save you and draw fire myself by implying that I knew you couldn't actually be jailkeeper (which would make scum fear I could be cop or tracker and kill me). I legit thought I was a VT and was going for utility. In my mind, me showing up dead as a VT the next morning would have made it obvious to people that I was trying to save you.

Good question for Kagesong.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Drixx what do you think of Frogs analysis of Kagesong?

[Reubus Swagrid]

Prior to Phantoms Derp Lynch that is

[kagesong]

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

It's a bit of an old post but I'm quoting it here because I was sure Drixx was the bulletproof after it, which was why I was initially reluctant to accept Frog as cleared and kept asking the BP to step forwards.

Also, if there isn't a Roleblocker, I should have been NKd. If there is, it's useful to keep me around as long as BP doesn't claim because it could lead to scum getting cleared...such as if I "jailed" scum last night.

@Kagesong, on D2 you kept arguing that Frog was wrong & not cleared because there could be a Roleblocker, today Drixx has confirmed that there is one but you're not convinced, what changed?

He claimed BP day 3. I see no reason to wait that long. By the way, who did you jail last night?