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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:29 am

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Assumptions are like your boss. Whenever you have a problem you go to them, and they are usually wrong... Ok i suck at Analogies but you get my point.

Well let's look at it this way. That day I had pretty much clled both the remaining "mafia" out. I had attacked both and pretty much had made the cases against them both. /ego So when one came up mafia, you as the pro-town vig should have assumed I would take out the remaining scum. I mean if I was an Sk, I wouldn't lose a chance to take out both my competition and a threat. So, if you were the vig you would have had both firsthand knowledge I was scum, A very likely outcome I would target the last scum, and for the part only a partaly suspicion on the last scum. so you choose to instead kill a maybe scum then a 100% scum. Even I don't buy that.

Poker man, either give me a good reason not to vote in your next post or I'm going to do it. games are fun and all but I feel a bit stupid calling him the last scum and not voting.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:05 pm

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Hmm...
70% xtoxm is scum
30% korlash is scum
the arguement just made was incredible good. Relying on scum to do your dirty work is not that wise. And look what I found
Xtoxm on day3 wrote:
I totally missed that spurg was the gum guy. And so I still thought the blue collar guy was in fact the sk. I'm kinda amazed I'm still alive though as I'm suppose to die when I kill the wrong peson.
You probably thought that the third kill night 1 was courtesy of the JOAT, so you could get away with a claim like that.
Korlash on day2 wrote:...I also think the blue collar man is some kind of SK type role. Seeing as how we had three deaths. Me (Vigish), scum, and a third one. I still think Rick is the best move so...

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I leave it to you people to decide. I am quite interested to know how well I called this one. But safeclaims kill this theory and theme games are likely to have some.
hmm korlash did consider the already existance of an sk day 2 and did not make the claim based on the idea that Bob killed Jay.

80% to 20%, but are those numbers really fair. Perhaps I am going about this all wrong. Maybe there is a better way to decide....

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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:06 pm

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Vote:.....[/jk]


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fooled you didn't I?

Well it appears nobody entirely caught what Korlash tried to explain in post 616. If someone did i am sure one of you would have already voted and ruined my fun. Since I am pretty much spent I guess I'll spring the news on you all now.

What is the golden rule of mafia? Never Lie! This rule should only be broken under one condition. You aren't town. And I'm not town... I'll say it again I am not Town. "But how could that be? You could have hammered PokerFace, why?" Well that's because I am not anti-town. I am pro-town at heart but not an actual part of the town.
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poker wrote:I truly can't loose.
Your a surviver... or a win/win role.
poker wrote:Whenever I'm not scum. (Sk or mafia). I try to win for the town.
Sounds like your calling yourelf neutral here. "for the town" seems an odd way to phrase it.
I am a survivor role with a few unique twists. I win with mafia or town. As long as i survive to end game I win with everbody else. The moment day broke, the moment I was not voted, I was gauranteed Victory. I was nine seconds away from hammering but then I realized something "Where's the fun?, Where is it?" Sure I could have hammered but I wanted some fun and since I didn't hammer I was able to prove I was not scum. At this very momment the town can not vote me for lying. Getting rid of an element that isn't a threat or anit-town or mafia helps no one and looses the game for the town. I am allowed to do whatever I want pretty much. I am even allowed to insult and niether side will do anything about it, but there's more...
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poker wrote:night evidence.
More evidence to point to you being investigator role.

So... how did I do?
You see at this very moment one of you is lying. And in a manner of speaking I know who it is...

Full 'True' Paraphased Claim: In the film I steal drinks from Dante. Stealing is not a very good thing. But that doesn't matter. Getting away with it is all that counts. God I love this role, but I HATE its brutal drawbacks. You see getting targeted with any night action qualifys as being caught. Hence not getting away with it. If at any time I am targeted at night or I am lynched, I die. As long as that doesn't happen I will survive to endgame and win with any faction. Now the getting targeted thing is a huge drawback indeed. But there is some compensation. I play Hockey on the Roof during the film. I am the guy that brought the puck. Fuck William who lost it! A roof is a high up place ande I can get a good 'view' of exactly what is going on. So at night i can target any one player to 'view'. When viewing this player I learn two things:
1)All players they target during the night
2)All players that target them during the night
I don't learn what exact action is going on. At this point in the game that part really doesn't matter.

I have only seen this type of crazy role in IRC once. Ergo is something else for putting it in the game. First he goes and makes an unimportant character like Olaf Oleeson a protector/killer and then he makes me a watcher/tracker. Go see a shrink Ergo, Seriously!

Peg didn't send a choice night1 his computer was in the shit hole if i recall his old sig correctly. I targeted Oman night2 because I wanted to see what he did. Since he was the Veronica Role, an important character, I figured that was a power role or scum so seeing who he targeted might be interesting. He targeted Choas Omega. Had the scum not whacked Oman, and Xtoxm not hit Choas things would have been interesting. Day three I obsessed over who you guys were targeting. I targeted Korlash night3. When i said deja'vu Korlash i meant it. Maybe I should have used italics then too. But I hadn't 'view'ed you yet then so I figured it wasn't needed.

The pm from my skill is still in my inbox. I have not read it yet. I am a sadistic bastard huh? Well not entirely, I thought i had deleted it on accident and then I realized there it was. I didn't realize I still had it until after I didn't hammer with Xtoxm. Now I stand infront of the ultimate question. Should I read it? I don't need to. BUT I want the town to win this heavy lurking game don't I? Well does the town deserve to win at this point? The town in general has lurked the most. All lynches were beacuse of the dead line. We didn't have a true lynch!

I don't have the time to read it right now. Kelly Pavolik a boxer who I personally know is fighting tonight and I must get ready and go to the bar to catch the PPV fight. I will read the pm after the fight or if i am too drunk to see straight I'll read it tomorrow morning. The PM will tell me if Korlash is lying.
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poker wrote:I'll definatly know if you are lying.
You already know what affiliation I am? Cop, tracker? Burgular? Dante himself? O.o
If he is lying I will vote him down otherwise say goodbye Xtoxm. He tells the truth then you are the lying scum and you are gone! But you see I am a sporting and fair man, Mr. Scum. I'm going to make you a deal. If you have voted before i have gotten home; if you have got on and shown punctuality, have shown yourself not to be a lousy lurker in placing your vote on the the real vig; then i will hammer with you and we will both win. That's all. A test of speed and punctuality. Once i am home my pm is being read. And Scum will either get what they voted for or be sent home crying. Let the test of speed begin! Go!
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:12 pm

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vote Korlash
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:21 pm

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...

Well... thats not very fun for me... all the work I did for nothing... aaww....

Oh well
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:23 pm

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You are pathetically inactive Korlash. 15 minutes? Get with it!
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:35 pm

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hey now... I have been jumping from WoW to MS all day... I broke my "A" key tryping a thing for another game...

And now your calling me pathetic... man... Today is just bad day for me...

I will say this.. next time we meet Poker... I will be ready for you...
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:13 pm

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!Final Card Test!

Both players Failed! But who truly failed? Let's take a look at my last post again.
PokerFace wrote:....But you see I am a sporting and fair man,
Mr. Scum. I'm going to make you a deal. If you have voted before i have gotten home; if you have got on and shown punctuality, have shown yourself not to be a lousy lurker in placing your vote on the the real vig; then i will hammer with you and we will both win.
That's all. A test of speed and punctuality. Once i am home my pm is being read. And Scum will either get what they voted for or be sent home crying. Let the test of speed begin! Go!
See what I bolded? I said hey Mr. Scum I want you to vote and I will vote with you. Who answers? Xtoxm answers. Xtoxm answered to the title of scum. Xtoxm pretty much admitted to my face he was scum.

Ever walk into a bar and say hey "insult"? A man turns and answers. He has admitted to being "insult". I walk into the forum and say hey scum vote! And the scum votes!

I am truthfully a Vanilla Townie. My last post was the true lie. My Final card. Made sweeter since Xtoxm called Korlash a pathetic inactive just as I refered to the rest of the town as. It is not the 100% true admision of guilt that I wanted but its close enough (i hope)

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I truly hope this gambit worked correctly. I apoligize to Xtoxm for the post I made that attacked him earlier. I meant to say scum and not scumbag. It came out horribly wrong and I said things I should never say to any player. What I did there was morally reprehensible. I apoligize. I read that list Peg refers to in your sig. You got good tastes man and you clearly have some potential to become a really good mafiascum player. You made some good scum hunting and even I thought Korlash was guilty day3. You did really well.

Korlash, how do you feel right now? The work you did on day4 was fantastic. This action and all the stuff you did were truly good. I am pretty convinced you aren't scum.

GG to both of you gentlemen. I enjoyed playing with you guys. I am not sure how you each will look upon my final gambit it is rather an unorothdox way of getting the scum to admit they were scum. I kinda hope i did not fail to execute some elements of it and mess things up. I hope i did not missinterpret Xtoxm's reaction. I still kinda worry I am about to get fucked, or rather since the porno guy is dead and can't move I guess I would be fucking... I'm going to go shoot myself now! later and gg to both of you once again.

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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:22 pm

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oh and side note

one thing from my lie post is true. I have seen and been that role before in irc. It is not a very common role. I was only it once. I can't even remember which irc site it was since it was so long ago. The true name of that role is "security camera". The role can be effectivly be of any alignment (scum, town, survivor). I called in a survivor to better reninforrce the gambit. I so hope it worked correctly and i didn't mix things up. GG to everyone once again.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:54 am

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poker wrote:Korlash, how do you feel right now? The work you did on day4 was fantastic. This action and all the stuff you did were truly good. I am pretty convinced you aren't scum.
i aactually feel pretty good, aside from not having a full keyboard. A bit better play then our last game eh :P Glad we were on the same side this time around.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:55 am

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so we won? you aren't scum?
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:03 am

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im always scum... but in this game I was pro-town scum! So yeah... we won! Go us hi five!

BTW... your going to have to pay for that gatoraid...
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:11 am

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Dude quit confusing me. I am hungover from last night.

Did the town win?
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:44 am

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Heh heh...I'm the SK! Your last gambit was bullshit, I read it as "Whoever votes first I will follow" I would have done the exact same were I vig.

I got some fessin'

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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:49 am

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Phew! But it hind sight yes you are right. I was afraid someone would posses that attitude. There are probably better ways of executing this gambit. Some words that perhaps hinted or told the townie not to even bother voting could have been added. That way only the scum would be voting. I have never done this gambit before so I guess it worked for a trial run but it needs improvement.

To anyone reading this game you should know this gambit is risky and nuts! Lying as town is stupid! It is wrong! I actually felt pain on the inside doing it! The only reason I was allowed to do it was because all remaining players knew I was not scum. I was able to use it for that reason.

In a situation where you are not 100% inocent this is a terrible move. You will get lynched for your lie and deserve it! You will loose and deserve it lying as town is bad. Luckily i had a backup plan should i get lynched for going from vanilla->security camera. The backup plan is simple:
1)I am lynched
2)Game goes to night. SK does not win yet because the classic SK win condition is you win if there are no more killers.
3)Other killers can prevent your victory. Assuming it was only a 1 time survive nightkill the SK and vig will kill each other at night. The game ends in a draw. Not as good as a win but its better than a loss.

Thank goodness I did not screw that up. GG you guys. Thank god I was able to get Porno guy claim = SK out of my gut.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:52 am

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I joined only to help you finish off the game.

When I first joined and was sent my PM I thought I was mafia. LOL. I thought I hadn't been told my buddies cos they were both dead.

I killed ChaosOmega randomly, cos he was top of the name list. Hadn't read the thread. Pure bad luck. Turns out it fitted in pretty well with claiming vig, so I did so.

Why did I kill Dead Rik? You couldn't seem to understand this one. Well. I was pretty sure i'd lost. I was playing on what Korlash said about he can die if he targets wrong or something. I was hoping he would die that night. I killed Dead Rik cause I though the game was lost, my kill would be revealed as stabbing, if Korlash survived. I killed DR cos he took days to turn up to day 3. I thought it would be over quicker because Poker was more active than DR.

At many times on day 4 I seriously considered claiming...Particularly when Poker insluted me...I carried on cos it was Erg0's game, I knew he wanted us to put in our whole effort.

My recent statements about killing CO rather than Korlash cos I thought K would die, were honest deductions. I'd have done that were I the vig.

Truth is I really don't like being scum.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:06 am

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yay I truly apoligize for all that. I wrote wrong words and i'm still not sure what was all going through my head. I think I got a little power hungry. Absolute power or rather the non-exist of thinking I'd get lynched can corupt you. I took it too far and I wish there was some way I could make it up to you.

Ergo you are welcome to come in here at any time and yell at me for all that! Xtoxm if you are still mad at me I understand totally. I deserve intense scorn for the horrible stuff I said.

In hindsight a plan were you trust the other scum faction to do your dirty work is a good plan if you are scum. That way you still make kills and can effectivly reduce the majority of other living players so that you can win in a more timely manner. Killing Dead Rikku was probably a good idea for the reasons you mentioned. Did you have a 1shot nk imunity or something else that allowed you to survive the scarring?
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:09 am

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@Erg0,
when you do show up can you tell me what a Mafia Tough guy is? I still can't recall what that one is. I'm not even sure I played with that before on irc. I don't think I have ever played with it.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:14 am

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I had one-shot immunity. I assumed the JOAT hadn't used it up on me.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:16 am

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Oh, and I AM Randal btw. Korlash was spot on when he said he wanted it to be jsut me and Dante. Don't understand how that's a threat to Dante though...
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:34 am

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Well I can think of a few ways he's a threat to Dante. He instigated the entire relationship fallout because of his try to get Dante back with caitlin. He sold cigarettes to a kid and got Dante a fine. He insults various customers of both shops through out the film. He did some stuff to the shop and Dante in the second film. The part where he wants to be "alone" with Dante is a little wierd. Sounds more like something else instead of a threat.

A Porno guy just fits the mentality of an SK. Random killings. The role truly does fit korlash. Korlash seems to play better as Town than as scum from my point of view. the Porno guy is not truly a threat to Dante. Did he intentionally get Dante in trouble? No he was dead. That stuff Korlash said about him being polite in the film is 100% true. I warmed up to all that after awhile. I often considered screwing my crazed gambit and just voting xtoxm because of what Korlash said but the title of SK just fitts korlash so well. I need to get all that further out of my head. It could have really mucked things up. Erg0 should post all the pms I hope. I'd be curious to see the exact words made Korlash think he would die should he target the wrong person. Perhaps the words were a kill restriction that was disolved when caitlin died or something. Who knows what erg0 is thinking he made olaf an elite bodyguard! Oh well.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:48 am

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Btw..It's ok Poker I forgive you :)

You're a nice guy.

Look forward to playing with you 2 in the future!
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:06 am

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Well I have been known to fakecalim Sk once or twice... lol...

Erg0... *poke* where you is?!?!?!
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:21 am

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@Mod, prod Erg0


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(I sent him a PM saying its over)
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:28 am

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Or is it? O.o

<.<

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