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In post 647, duppin wrote:BNL, GL already stated he was going to shoot you so

I honestly don't get the point of what you're trying to do

, but I'm not bulletproof no.

He probably has some ability to dodge the vigkill and is trying to set up who he's going to push next. Vote him. He's scum.

Wingback (3): Elyse, TellTaleHeart, GuiltyLion
BulletNLynchproof (1): Wingback
GuiltyLion (0):
Elyse (0):
duppin (0):
TellTaleHeart (0):

Not Voting (3): duppin, BulletNLynchproof,

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-27 15:00:00).

Another One Bites the Dust



Tonight I'm gonna have myself a real good time.

Elyse is being replaced.

Hopefully we'll have a conf-town to assess the game in an unbiased fashion.

, if you don't mind, unvote me until we have a replacement and they offer their thoughts. I just don't think letting BNL have the hammer is a particularly good move. I'm about 99% sure he's scum and I'd rather not leave it to him to end the day when he wants.

This is annoying. GL, I see you online. Unvote quickly before BNL has a chance to get to this thread.

Going to head off to bed. If I get hammered, don't let BNL get away. He does not deserve to win this game. I've outlined precisely why he's scum and needs to hang in Post 649. I'd appreciate if everyone reads it and comments on it even if don't want to read anything else although I did it partly for myself just so I can observe scum behaviors under a microscope.

We probably do have this game in the bag because of three conf-towns including a vig which means three town-sided kills. But that's exactly why I don't want to take chances and I don't feel like I'm doing my job as town if I don't pull out all the stops to prevent a mislynch and lynch scum. It's entirely possible scum have PRs to counter the powerful town and watching BNL somehow pull a win would be the worst outcome.

Bolding this because I'm tired of people not reading: BNL is scum and it couldn't be more obvious.

I honestly didn't really care who we lynch first to be honest. As I said earlier this day I found your d1 play more towny than his, but ultimately it doesn't really matter. Elyse's slot is confirmed town, so is GL and I believe TTH is town as well, so I think the game ends after we kill you and BNL.

But now that I've been thinking about it, I actually want to lynch BNL first. First of all I find him talking about BP really strange (especially considering GL had already revealed who he was going to kill). If BNL is BP then he is could get to final three and it would probably be me, TTH and him. TTH has already expressed to have a townread on BNL for unknown reasons, so if TTH truly believes BNL is more townie than me I see absolutely no reason to risk this going into final three.

I don't think there is any way for Wingback to win final three and I do not believe he is BP either, so he'd probably die to GL anyway.

VOTE: BNL

As in the winning play for BNL would be to:

Lynch Wingback today, kill GL tonight (and considering he might be BP he will survive GL's attack). Force a sleep tomorrow (considering we are going to be 4 alive), kill Elyse's slot and then convince TTH (who is the only one who claimed to have a townread on BNL) to vote for me.

While I don't think it's possible for Wingback to ever win this as scum, as he would have to convince me TTH was scum in last of three assuming he would even be able to make it that far. He would probably die to GL tonight.

So I'd rather lynch BNL.

I guess you're right, I didn't have to get everyone to claim BP, we just need to make sure our shot succeeds, so having just one person (me) claim non-BP does the job.

In that case, I'd rather get vigged, because now that I've explicitly claimed non-BP, lynching someone else and getting shot leaves only one unconfirmed, and if my shot fails I would become confirmed as scum (which won't happen because I'm not scum, but I'm speaking from GL/Elyse/TTH perspective).

. It doesn't matter who we lynch today, but I am indeed scumreading Wingback much more than duppin. In fact, I'm not scumreading duppin at all.

I will give Wingback one last chance. If he claims non-BP in his next post, I may consider getting lynched as GL can shoot him in the night, and if he doesn't die he will get lynched for lying. If he claims BP or he refuses to claim, I will hammer him immediately.

UNVOTE:

I'd like the conftown slot to get filled and that person to speak before today ends. More eyes on the thread are better.

I still think it's more likely Wingback than BnL.

Elyse has been replaced by SerraPaladin. Please welcome them!

Hey folks.

I'm conftown, huh? Sweet!

Why do people want to hammer with 8 days on the clock and someone being replaced? I'll get to fully catch-up tomorrow, but wouldn't mind a quick recap.

I'm conftown, you're conftown, TTH is claiming neapolitan which feels believable

Aristo flipped scum, BNL and Wingback were the most dodgy regarding his slot. I will shoot whichever one of them we don't flip tonight.

Only other player left is duppin who is playing a great game if he's scum, he feels super town. If it's not BNL/Wingback then LYLO will be TTH/duppin/either-you-or-me

Therefore there's some apathy as it's highly likely game ends either this day/night phase.

@GL, would you mind responding to Post 646 (and Post 649)? It would help a lot if the conf-towns actually play this game.

@Serra, you are conftown since TTH cleared Elyse as a VT. GL is conftown for claiming the vig-shot on Aristophanes and we know from the OP that we're in a 7 town, 2 scum setup. I'm strongly leaning TTH as town as I don't see why she would clear your predecessor at the point she did if she were scum - she's made it much harder for her to win. That leaves me, BNL, and Duppin. I'm townreading Duppin and think BNL is the remaining scum. I outline the reasons why in Post 649. But I'd suggest reading the entire game.

Also, I'm VT. Not bulletproof.

Wingback I guess I just dc cause I'll shoot BNL tonight if you flip town and if he somehow evades that, then town has to lynch him tomorrow

It doesn't matter to me which of you gets lynched first, I'm not sure why you're pushing it so hard. Like I can vote him if you want but it ultimately shouldn't make a difference

Then you should vote him. I don't want to take any chances and I'd hate it if we somehow winded up losing this game because of some unforeseen circusmstance and it turned out I just lied down and let myself get lynched contributing to that loss. Beyond that, I rarely get mislynched as town and I don't feel like I'm pulling my weight if I haven't fought to the end with every last breath and tried every strategy to avoid getting lynched - unlynchable town wins games for town because the scum can't figure out who to lynch. The problem is that you seem interested in reading what I said so it's very challenging trying to convince you by trying to get your attention repeatedly. Read through Duppin again and I feel pretty confident it's not him so we should see the game end with a BNL lynch.

EDIT: you seem interested in reading what I write so it's challenging.

Even reading just D2, BNL hasn't done jack to try to figure out this game. I wanted us to cover all our bases so I looked through TTH and Elyse and read the game from the beginning. BNL summarized his neighborhood PT, pushed some weak suspicion of Elyse based on the Fire kill, and then settled into pushing the easiest target ever parroting what you, Elyse, and TTH already said about somehow finding it scummy that I thought you were a serial killer which is null as both town and scum have incentive to find the serial killer. When I pushed him to elaborate on it, he didn't even bother to respond. His posting regarding Aristo was scummy on both ends which I explain in my case as well.

Like from an objective standpoint, I was pushing Postie because she was my top scumread and Aristo was the second. While it may be a "classic" strategy for scum to put their buddies as a secondary suspicion, a) I'd never do it precisely because Aristo was going down anyways and I'd want him as a suspicion, and b) my read on Postie being scummier than Aristo because of how much she DEFENDED Aristo is completely reasonable.

Compare that to BNL expressing immense amount of paranoia over the Postie flip to the extent he sets up his next pushes based on a Postie townflip, yet never actually voted Aristo to prevent this mislynch shows me he's just trying to look good and be "right" about the mislynch so he can push whoever led it.

In post 667, Wingback wrote:Even reading just D2, BNL hasn't done jack to try to figure out this game. I wanted us to cover all our bases so I looked through TTH and Elyse and read the game from the beginning. BNL summarized his neighborhood PT, pushed some weak suspicion of Elyse based on the Fire kill, and then settled into pushing the easiest target ever parroting what you, Elyse, and TTH already said about somehow finding it scummy that I thought you were a serial killer which is null as both town and scum have incentive to find the serial killer. When I pushed him to elaborate on it, he didn't even bother to respond. His posting regarding Aristo was scummy on both ends which I explain in my case as well.

You are right. I haven't put in much effort to scumhunt today. Why? Because I believe the game is solved, and I see no reason to scumhunt.

For the record, you are my strongest scumread now, because you look like scum flailing (yes that's an overused word but I can't think of a better way to describe you). Between duppin and TTH I think duppin is scummier due to setup spec.

I have already claimed non bulletproof, so if I'm scum, if I get vigged, town will win, and if I dodge the vig shot, town can lynch me for lying about being not BP. Why do you worry so much about me going into the night and dodging the vig?

In post 665, Wingback wrote:Beyond that, I rarely get mislynched as town and I don't feel like I'm pulling my weight if I haven't fought to the end with every last breath and tried every strategy to avoid getting lynched - unlynchable town wins games for town because the scum can't figure out who to lynch.

Tell me about rarely getting mislynched as town.

Also I will have to disagree with you on the next point. Defending yourself strongly is very scummy behaviour, and that reminds me of why I'm scumreading you. Convince me why town should defend themselves, especially since we're in autowin?

In post 661, serrapaladin wrote:Hey folks.

I'm conftown, huh? Sweet!

Why do people want to hammer with 8 days on the clock and someone being replaced? I'll get to fully catch-up tomorrow, but wouldn't mind a quick recap.

Because the game is solved. We have three conftowns so only three unknowns (well technically four because TTH isn't strongly confirmed but it is very likely she's town), and we also have an unlockable vig.

That's actually all the recap that you need to know. I've heard that you are a good scumhunter, so maybe you can help organise the lynches of the three unknowns (me, Wingback, duppin)

Your attempt at fake-scumhunting sucks.

You haven't even to respond to my points about you and Aristo because you know I'm right. Instead you are throwing out buzzwords like "flailing" which you don't even seem to know the definition of, and elementary school theories like "defending yourself is scummy." Lol.

We're playing a closed setup. Assuming the game is solved and that we are in auto-win is naive at best.

Where did I fake scumhunt?

Also, answer this question please:

In post 669, BNL wrote:I have already claimed non bulletproof, so if I'm scum, if I get vigged, town will win, and if I dodge the vig shot, town can lynch me for lying about being not BP. Why do you worry so much about me going into the night and dodging the vig?

Your question relies on me being naive enough to think that the game is solved which I don't.

Just a note for everyone - BNL trying to shift the focus to a non-alignment indicative playstyle tell (why are you defending yourself?) from the actual alignment-relevant interaction case with flipped scum that I pointed out in Post 649 as well as in my posts on this page should indicate that he is scum.