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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:27 pm

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If Batman was pro-town, why did he lie?
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:27 pm

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ooba wrote:Town sort of didn't help their cause by not talking much before both the deadlines .. Roffman not claiming and then dying was bad for us ..
Edit : I actually meant Khelvaster ..
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:51 pm

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When did Batman/Sierra lie?

That game was a lot of fun!

My highlight was when HC declared me to be the SK, and Thesp latched on to it - I had to laugh out loud. I was then stuck with the difficult job of trying to act as though I was trying to persuade people that I wasn't the serial killer. I was sure I was doing a dreadful job (and feel free to tell me if I was), but although suspicion was voiced, it was only Sierra who ever voted for me after that point and only briefly. I can't believe neither HC nor Sierra targeted me last night - I was fully expecting Sierra and Mirth to be in the end game as we would have killed HC had he and Sierra not got choices in first.

HC, you had me guessing right up until the end whether you or Cap was the serial killer.

We were pretty lucky in that the town power roles were eliminated quickly.

Fascinated to know who was targeted by ooba and Cap each night.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:37 pm

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Singing Librarian wrote: My highlight was when HC declared me to be the SK, and Thesp latched on to it - I had to laugh out loud. I was then stuck with the difficult job of trying to act as though I was trying to persuade people that I wasn't the serial killer. I was sure I was doing a dreadful job (and feel free to tell me if I was), but although suspicion was voiced, it was only Sierra who ever voted for me after that point and only briefly. I can't believe neither HC nor Sierra targeted me last night - I was fully expecting Sierra and Mirth to be in the end game as we would have killed HC had he and Sierra not got choices in first.

HC, you had me guessing right up until the end whether you or Cap was the serial killer.

We were pretty lucky in that the town power roles were eliminated quickly.

Fascinated to know who was targeted by ooba and Cap each night.
Yeah, obviously I had to hit Mafia last night, and Thesp was the only person I was 100%-sure about, since obviously I knew who the real serial killer was. Besides, I thought for sure the Sierra would hit Mirth after the mislynch.

Obviously Ooba didn't investigate me, but I really wish the rest of you had believed he did.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:43 am

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:Obviously Ooba didn't investigate me, but I really wish the rest of you had believed he did.
Actually i did :)

And Night 2 - i targeted SL but never got a reply back ..
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:34 am

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Oh yeah...

Mod Note: Haschel was investigation immune. He just didn't know it.
Who the hell is "General Failure", and why is he reading my hard drive?
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:56 am

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Oh, you're right. I was thinking of Thesp's claim. (All I remembered was "Joker")

Why'd you kill me, RR#7?
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:24 am

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ooba, I guess we had slaughtered you by the time you could have processed your investigation results. I was so pleased you turned out to be General Glory, as that was the only character I could think of that would fit with the post restriction you seemed to have.

Loved the mix of characters from different eras. Khelv's role was a great idea given who us scums really were - so glad, though, that he didn't get a chance to use it.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:35 am

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Singing Librarian wrote: My highlight was when HC declared me to be the SK, and Thesp latched on to it - I had to laugh out loud. I was then stuck with the difficult job of trying to act as though I was trying to persuade people that I wasn't the serial killer. I was sure I was doing a dreadful job (and feel free to tell me if I was), but although suspicion was voiced, it was only Sierra who ever voted for me after that point and only briefly. I can't believe neither HC nor Sierra targeted me last night - I was fully expecting Sierra and Mirth to be in the end game as we would have killed HC had he and Sierra not got choices in first.

HC, you had me guessing right up until the end whether you or Cap was the serial killer.

We were pretty lucky in that the town power roles were eliminated quickly.

Fascinated to know who was targeted by ooba and Cap each night.
Yeah, obviously I had to hit Mafia last night, and Thesp was the only person I was 100%-sure about, since obviously I knew who the real serial killer was. Besides, I thought for sure the Sierra would hit Mirth after the mislynch.

Obviously Ooba didn't investigate me, but I really wish the rest of you had believed he did.
Actually I knew it was Haschel the second Sierra claimed. I just couldn't think of a convincing way of attacking Haschel without getting the wagon turned around on me or deflected to Thesp. And I was thinking about endgame scenerios (I forgot our 51% clause) so I was debating whether it would not be more advantageous to off the doctor so as to make sure that Haschel or Sierra died, or to off Haschel and to hope that the mod didn't have some weird condition where we couldn't win unless Sierra died too. But mostly I couldn't convincingly change wagons.

And I didn't particularly care if Ooba did or didn't investigate you. Just had to make sure no one else believed it.

(Oh, and for the record, I totally lucked out with my fake claim. Thank you, Capricious, I really appreciate you jumping to conclusions that I don't see a basis for in your PM ^_^)
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:18 am

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Sethaniel wrote:Oh, you're right. I was thinking of Thesp's claim. (All I remembered was "Joker")

Why'd you kill me, RR#7?
Ooba's PBPA on you the day before suggested that you could have been scum. I know the usual strategy for an SK is to hit town at night and lynch Mafia in the day, but with so many pro-town roles dying at night, I felt I had to go for someone I thought was Mafia.

When I discovered you were town the next day, I was very upset.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:54 am

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I have a lot of thoughts on this game, and I hope they're not taken personally. I try to be constructive, I may not be always, but I'll do my best.
Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:Note: Mafia achieved their victory condition by lynching capricious and becoming greater than 51% of the players. But the setup could have allowed Haschel to tie with them (If 2 scum died to sk and vig), which is why I went to night rather than ending the game. The game was over when Haschel and Sierra both targeted Thesp.
I have issues with this policy. I did not see the purpose of dragging the game out when we'd already won. What would have happened if we chose to not kill? What if, instead, we'd lynched Sierra, and the doc blocked against our kill, leaving 2 vs. 2? Would we have played yet another day, even though the mafia had already won? What obligation would the mafia have had to continue playing the game in any reasonable manner (or even post at all)? I thought the last day continuing was agony enough, but going into night felt like punishment.

I'm not wild about post restriction roles, and I'm not sure how worthwhile it was to have General Glory in the game like this. That's just personal preference, but I think there's always a significant danger in the "you can't reveal this about your role" type of role, because it's always best if the town learns of what can't be revealed (otherwise the mod wouldn't add that to the role), and the player always has to fight against doing what is optimal.

I
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not having safeclaims, or useful information like that at all. I would have liked some flexibility with characters, and I was afraid I'd lose because I'd claim what someone else had by chance, and not because of how I played (which would be a terrible, terrible way to lose).
ooba wrote:I was quite sure of cierco/SL in this game along along with Mirth. Also in the end, i was quite sure Sierra was town for some reason. Thesp played a good game - had me completely fooled ..
Thanks! :)
ooba wrote:Town sort of didn't help their cause by not talking much before both the deadlines .. Roffman not claiming and then dying was bad for us ..
No kidding. That was serious happy-times for us.
Mirth wrote:Also, Thesp, why didn't you tell us you were a roleblocker? That would have been useful to know...
I totally forgot. :oops: I should have posted it right away in our QT, but I must have overlooked it. I never got a "No Choice Received" from our mod about it (which would have been helpful, but is again stylistic issues), but I suppose I should have noticed. Oh well.
Haschel Cedricson wrote:I thought something was horribly wrong with SL when he kept finding me more suspicious than the person who was actively calling him the Joker. That should red flags.
This is very, very true.
Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:Mod Note: Haschel was investigation immune. He just didn't know it.
Why not tell him? And what would General Glory have gotten on him?

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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:15 pm

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Thesp wrote:I
hated
not having safeclaims, or useful information like that at all. I would have liked some flexibility with characters, and I was afraid I'd lose because I'd claim what someone else had by chance, and not because of how I played (which would be a terrible, terrible way to lose).
I guess I assumed that Green Lantern, L-Ron, and Bloodwynd/Martian Manhunter were obvious safe claims, or maybe I'm the only one that reads that far into roles I recieve.

And as for not telling Haschel, I guess I have noticed in the past, differences in playstyles of players who are investigation immune as opposed to not, and I don't like the way I've seen some players handle investigation immune roles, so I prefer not to disclose that info.

And General Glory
did
get a "does not have evil intentions" on him.
Who the hell is "General Failure", and why is he reading my hard drive?
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:50 pm

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Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:
Thesp wrote:I
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not having safeclaims, or useful information like that at all. I would have liked some flexibility with characters, and I was afraid I'd lose because I'd claim what someone else had by chance, and not because of how I played (which would be a terrible, terrible way to lose).
I guess I assumed that Green Lantern, L-Ron, and Bloodwynd/Martian Manhunter were obvious safe claims, or maybe I'm the only one that reads that far into roles I recieve.
I assumed those were our safeclaims and acted accordingly...
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:48 pm

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I knew 'suspecting' HC was risky, but I was confident that the real SK would not come forward (as they would stand no chance of winning if revealed) so decided to run with it.

And I assumed L-Ron was my safeclaim (since I was Despero In L-Ron's body, the only way there could have been an L-Ron would be if there was L-Ron in Despero's body; GL and MM even safer, as once again it was the villain actually in the body of the hero), though I added the NK-immune thing in the hope that it would confirm the suspicion (which I have a feeling no townies actually held!) that I was the SK.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:50 am

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Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:
Thesp wrote:I
hated
not having safeclaims, or useful information like that at all. I would have liked some flexibility with characters, and I was afraid I'd lose because I'd claim what someone else had by chance, and not because of how I played (which would be a terrible, terrible way to lose).
I guess I assumed that Green Lantern, L-Ron, and Bloodwynd/Martian Manhunter were obvious safe claims, or maybe I'm the only one that reads that far into roles I recieve.
I don't know enough about the Justice League to know that Green Lantern would be totally safe - my fear was that I'd claim Green Lantern, and someone would say, "Wait a minute, evil-bad-person controlled Green Lantern in issues XX through YY! He's probably bad!". My bad.
Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:And General Glory
did
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What about the full role PM thingee (or did I misread that)?

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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:10 am

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he would have gotten a fake pm... I had one prepared, but I can't seem to find it
Who the hell is "General Failure", and why is he reading my hard drive?
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:01 am

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What were the nightchoices?

And I know I have a lot of critical things to say, but I do appreciate the time and effort in running this game. Thanks!
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:10 pm

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1) ZONEACE - Atom
N1 - No Hiding - DIES

2) Mirth - Bloodwynd
N1 – WhoMe?
N2 - Ooba

3) Capricious - Gypsy
N1 - Thesp
N2 - Mirth

4) Haschel Cedricson - Rocket Red 7
N1 - ZONEACE
N2 - Sethaniel

5) Khelvaster - Phantom Stranger
LYNCHED DAY 1

8) Sierra - Batman
N1 – roffman
N2 – None

9) Thesp - Green Lantern
N1 – WhoMe?
N2 - Ooba

10) WhoMe? - Black Canary
N1 - roffman - DIES

11) ooba - General Glory
N1 - Haschel Cedricson - NOT EVIL
N2 - Singing Librarian - DIES

12) Singing Librarian - L-Ron
N1 – WhoMe?
N2 - Ooba
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:41 am

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Thanks for the game, Mr_Gnome_It_All. I enjoyed it greatly, too bad I didn't make more of it. Congratulations to the scum-trio, nicely done!

In the end I was sure SL was not pro-town, because of the way he reacted to Thesp's accusation. Both Godfathers and SK's are known to be given a bulletproof ability sometimes, so I believed that part of his claim and didn't target him for a kill.

I was still very suspicious of Mirth, but I was also thinking that if he was lying he would've surely come up with something better than this. I decided not to kill him, to see what he would claim to have learned from his supposed track-action.

That last night I decided to kill Thesp over HC because of the way he hammered Cap. I'm glad to see I was right about Ooba getting an innocent investigation on HC by the way, even though it did us no good. :)


I hope to play more games with any of you in the future. See you around.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:24 am

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