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In post 642, Irrelephant11 wrote: Are you townreading anyone else for not getting their hands dirty (maybe you are but shame on you if so)?

Yes, Clemency, to a large degree. Shame on me!

In post 647, Irrelephant11 wrote: does not read to me like "casual voting based on factual observations"
it looks like careful voting coming from someone who doesn't know how to vote for town without getting attention for it

Well we just read that stuff differently I guess.

In post 649, Creature wrote:If there's another consensus scumread besides me, it's obviously not getting pushed at all.

Why do you call my scumread on your slot a "consensus scumread"?

In post 646, Irrelephant11 wrote:As for Sashaddin, it's scummy because it only "looks so town" on first pass. It isn't content made to scumhunt; it's content made to avoid attention while seeming active.

Fair point. But, I'd say the same about clem and creature, and you have them in your first and second tiers.

In post 646, Irrelephant11 wrote:cool, be paranoid about me after creature flips red
till then my read has just changed. *shrug*

Why? You wouldn't find it odd if you were someone else reading this game?

In post 649, Creature wrote:If there's another consensus scumread besides me, it's obviously not getting pushed at all.

I'd vote you too based on your slot's activity, but unfortunately, your wagon is two-thirds crap.

In post 653, Persivul wrote:

In post 646, Irrelephant11 wrote:As for Sashaddin, it's scummy because it only "looks so town" on first pass. It isn't content made to scumhunt; it's content made to avoid attention while seeming active.

Fair point. But, I'd say the same about clem and creature, and you have them in your first and second tiers.

Creature has repeatedly provided his reads as he comes to them. Sure, he keeps the reasoning mostly to himself, but I think his reads make sense for the contexts they're in. Even if you disagree with me about that, I think providing reads throughout the thread is qualitatively different that comments along the lines of "this sure has happened" and "how does this setup work".
Clemency, similarly, is using his vote to grow wagons and increase pressure on slots when others provide strong scumcases.
Both of these are pro-town ways of playing, even if their posting styles are opaque from your point of view.

Contrast these to Sashaddin's ISO, where you will see hardly any pressure on any slots, and next to no game solving, opaque or otherwise

In post 654, bji wrote:

In post 646, Irrelephant11 wrote:cool, be paranoid about me after creature flips red
till then my read has just changed. *shrug*

Why? You wouldn't find it odd if you were someone else reading this game?

Find what odd? My changed read? No. If you read my ISO I think you'll find the moment where my read changed, even if I didn't provide reasoning at the time, and I don't think it's scummy to lose a read from the early game as conversation continues.
It might be an interesting association if either of us ever flip scum, but as a pre-flip association it says nothing about either of our alignments as far as I can tell

In post 652, bji wrote:

In post 649, Creature wrote:If there's another consensus scumread besides me, it's obviously not getting pushed at all.

Why do you call my scumread on your slot a "consensus scumread"?

because it's not just you, it's Persivul (who most hates my playstyle than actually reads me scum), Garmr (who already misread me in some other game) and Clemency (who isn't even taking the game serious).

In post 658, Creature wrote:

In post 652, bji wrote:

In post 649, Creature wrote:If there's another consensus scumread besides me, it's obviously not getting pushed at all.

Why do you call my scumread on your slot a "consensus scumread"?

because it's not just you, it's Persivul (who most hates my playstyle than actually reads me scum), Garmr (who already misread me in some other game) and Clemency (who isn't even taking the game serious).

But Persivul thinks your wagon is two-thirds crap.

And what makes those positions "consensus scumreads" instead of just "scumreads"? They're all for different reasons. What's the consensus?

Creature, thoughts on Sashaddin?

In post 656, Irrelephant11 wrote:Clemency, similarly, is using his vote to grow wagons and increase pressure on slots when others provide strong scumcases.

"Why not?" isn't a reaction to a strong scum case.

Clem's voting strikes me as someone who was told in a newbie that it's scummy to not move your vote around D1.

That said, Sash's ISO devoid of content, and 291 is horrible.

In post 659, bji wrote:

In post 658, Creature wrote:

In post 652, bji wrote:

In post 649, Creature wrote:If there's another consensus scumread besides me, it's obviously not getting pushed at all.

Why do you call my scumread on your slot a "consensus scumread"?

because it's not just you, it's Persivul (who most hates my playstyle than actually reads me scum), Garmr (who already misread me in some other game) and Clemency (who isn't even taking the game serious).

But Persivul thinks your wagon is two-thirds crap.

He's wrong, it's 3/4 crap

I'm counting Garmr too and hopefully he didn't expect to go unnoticed

Maybe adding skitter would make the wagon 4/5 crap

In post 655, Persivul wrote:I'd vote you too based on your slot's activity

Because I posted too much?

In post 660, bji wrote:And what makes those positions "consensus scumreads" instead of just "scumreads"? They're all for different reasons. What's the consensus?

If someone is being scumread by like 4-5 different players, that's almost a consensus.

hey i'm taking this game super serious

it's just that a bunch of nothing is happening

In post 666, Creature wrote:

In post 655, Persivul wrote:I'd vote you too based on your slot's activity

Because I posted too much?

I'll make you a deal. Do a PBPA on raya and convince me she was town. Do that and I'll move you to my top tier.

I don't do PbPA

In post 671, Creature wrote:I don't do PbPA

Do it for town.

In post 672, bji wrote:

In post 671, Creature wrote:I don't do PbPA

Do it for town.

In post 671, Creature wrote:I don't do PbPA

Why not?

It's 24 posts. It won't take long.