that's because i love you out of game - easy mistake to make
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:27 pm
by Menalque
I disagree that the dragon is easy to read and idk why u day that
I think the dragon always reads as scum and then you have the problem of needing to figure out if he’s actually scum
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:28 pm
by the worst
do you want me to like, explain why i found his iso really obvtown really quick
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:28 pm
by Menalque
What in dragon iso made you think tozn
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:29 pm
by Menalque
Oof ninja
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:29 pm
by Menalque
Yes very yes
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:30 pm
by the worst
after this game i'm not sure i'm capable of townreading scumconeum anymore; you'll recall in alisae vs. pine i correctly scumcased his associatives with flipped scumslots but ALSO correctly identified his avoidance of pivotal associative moments & inability to correctly engage with the game in a way which indicated a solving mindset - not because he didn't hold a conversation properly
maybe i've just played with iconeum too much
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:37 pm
by Menalque
I mean I’d feel better about this if you weren’t essentially self merging yourself rn
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:38 pm
by Menalque
Metaing
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:38 pm
by Menalque
Like what would you be doing differently after replacing scum!coneum?
I dislike the lack of commital to an actual vote. Emps jumped on the meme without actually doing anything.
In post 105, Uncrowned wrote:Because scum would rather be non-commital and not get involved in having to come up with BS explanations for their actions. If they're scum, this gives Emps an easy start to the game so they can read and react later on.
Too bad I called it out.
i like this thinking for town
early & reactive townread to Uncrowned's posting is quite far outside of scumconeum's m.o. but functions as telling of a solving mindset - as it happens i agree. ico didn't take the time to wait this out and check how his read would be received. you'll recall in AvP he played his reads very safe and quite close to Ali's; when I called him out on it instead of Ali, and explained why i felt his reads were wrong, ico didn't know how to react. scumconeum has reads for political benefit, townconeum has reads for solving benefit.
there's no real RVS - or at least not one with the eye on doing something
even the interaction with it's own slot feels S/S
it reads like it's holding back
i don't like it
VOTE: HH
this is ico on the attack; he's capable of looking assertive as scum but very rarely has the actual balls to out and be the first non-rvs vote on a wagon when he's not sure if it will have support. again this is an anti political read, it's a read he is earnest about. hh also presents to me as a scarier target than LAMIST who ico ~does~ take an opportunity to make an observation about, but (correctly) treats it as null despite it being optically poor:
so basically iconeum has voted a vocal contentious slot rather than a slot which if he was scum he's taken a moment to shade for being LAMIST
i think this vote is transparently nonpolitical
In post 115, JJJ wrote:I wanna know what "real RVS" even is. I'm honestly kinda salty about that statement because that sounds like the weakest fake reason to vote someone I've ever heard.
In post 112, JJJ wrote:Like damn. Everyone is in here joking around and multiple people have been less productive than our slot and Iconeum shitpushes us on some terrible/fake logic.
That doesn't sit right with me.
-X
no, i'm voting you because i have a feeling that your entire rvs phase so far feels ungenuine
here we see HH on the defence like, far preemptively and iconeum rather than backing away or attempting to double down on what looks optically bad (the fact HH is on the defence too early) he's just laying down candid posts - it's a call to action for HH to stop having a tantrum about being voted and engage with the game in good faith, not an effort to make HH look bad.
this is a kind of abstract tell and quite difficult to impart but have you experienced "towny sass" much yet? ico has towny sass; scumconeum can be assertive and sometimes funny but he's rarely sharp and sassy
this exchange is towny sass
In post 134, Iconeum wrote:slightly more serious, AF is a townread so far as well
while stuck in an exchange with someone who's just not acting in good faith iconeum is still townhunting
i'm kinda confused people are looking at this and seeing the inverse tbh; in a vacuum this is a town iso
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:43 pm
by the worst
In post 666, Menalque wrote:Like what would you be doing differently after replacing scum!coneum?
like tbh i'm a trashbag so 50/50 between
- lolhammering chemist and working out whether my slot is redeemable; if not then d2 claim i did it because i'm a tpr and didn't want to have to claim
- exactly what i'm doing now and given it'd be an incorrect pregame read on iconeum i'm not really sure how to convince you that it'd sound any less earnest or righteous
i'm still kinda forming it; within the context of mena gonna say mildly towny but with a kinda big reservation
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:45 pm
by Menalque
Eh il not really convinced but I’ll look at it again sober I h’guess
I think you’re prob scum but just going to make me not lynch you like pb made me not lynch him in avp
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:46 pm
by Menalque
Wait why am I mildly towny?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:46 pm
by Menalque
Did you iso me as well or is this based on interacting with me here?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:49 pm
by the worst
maybe reread scumconeum's iso from AVP lol like it was a very typical scumconeum iso and when you compare the two it's kinda glaring
anyway, i'll keep chipping away at ISOs when i can
emps i kinda have nearly no read on from skimming his iso very quickly and i'll revisit this later because i find him really easy to read lategame after above linked tw/ico/emps game : ]
first few posts of uncrowned iso are towncrowned, will check this later
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:50 pm
by the worst
In post 672, Menalque wrote:Did you iso me as well or is this based on interacting with me here?
your iso is like 30% of the thread or smth so i'm never reading that in isolation, i'll just read the game thread when i can be bothered
based on our interactions here. you're seeking information which is town indicative but you're savagely tunnelled which is both AI, and not indicative of a particular alignment