Newbie 1984 - Game Over

[Detective Pikachu]

you said I’d only committed to a TR on two players, so my interpretation of that could be ‘if you don’t TR most of the players in the game then you’re scum’.

Actually I said you'd only *committed* to a townread on one player, part of my problem there was that it felt like the only other townread you had you were waffling on (R1)

that being said I'm pretty sure the entire thread is bored of our tete-a-tete at this point. Natsu or no Natsu?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Natsu

[DkKoba]

I am drunk but I want natsu pushed bc they didnt join my townblocc earier

[ROUND ONE]

I feel like his SR’s/votes on me and R1 are defensive rather than actually believing either of us are scum.

who said I scumread R1?

You’re voting them while having other slots which you supposedly SR.

If you don’t think they’re scum then why are you voting them?

cause hes blatant scum uwu

[ROUND ONE]

If you don’t think they’re scum then why are you voting them?

she poisoned the well and pre-accused me of omgus while I was townreading her so I wanted to see how she would react to a push

I sensed an omgus coming because - well - you kinda foreshadowed it
and thats a lie lol

[ROUND ONE]

Being new to the site does not give you justification in "forgetting" every single read when asked about them

do you want a list of games ive forgotten my role
there are multiple

[ROUND ONE]

that catchup was
ew

[Xtoxm]

VC 1.6

[3] Detective Pikachu:

Luca Blight, Natsu, ROUND ONE

[3] Natsu:

IMASPY, Detective Pikachu, DkKoba

[2] IMASPY:

72offsuit, Hectic

[1] Not Voting:

dsjstr

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2020-02-15 03:30:38)

Mod Note:

Hectic is V/LA until 10th

[Natsu]

Truth be told I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread. My other games on this site were done by this page count. Part of why I SR Pikachu so hard is because of how much they overpopulate the game with pointless posts that amount to bickering. I'm not even talking about the recent developments with Luca; he's been like that the whole game. It makes it really hard for me to even try and solve when there's so much immaterial to sift through.

My biggest town read is Hectic. Main reason is that he is very clearly not weaving narratives out of nothing and hoping other townies take the bait. Instead, he is mostly questioning the reasoning for other peoples' reads. Pikachu is very often planting the seeds for others to scumread people without making a strong case from the get-go. He'll get on people for "0 solving" while doing nothing himself, other than saying things like "not a fan of this post." Or, "dsj can be green." Looking at his iso is a mess and just overcomplicates the game. I don't think we have any chance of parsing strong leads with him in the game. I really don't get why anyone has a townread on Pikachu unless they know his playstyle. Luca said it best already:

I don’t like Pikachu because it feels like he’s making a show of supposed ‘solving’ which doesn’t ring true. He’s just putting together a convenient set of reads based on not much, while having an unnatural sense of confidence in them.

That's most of what I've been focusing on. I'm townreading Luca and 72offsuit, even though they are scumreading me. Mainly because a lot of their reads on me have solid substance, I just don't think they know the kind of player I am.

dkkoba and dsjstr have been nulls. But dkkoba's middle of the wagon vote seems like a cozy way to push me to a lynch. I can foresee this type of vote not running into as much flak as Pikachu's or Spy's once I flip green. dkkoba is mainly going off of tone it seems. I'll admit I'm kind of doing that with R1 as well, but the way he sees both R1 and Pikachu's tones as townie is alarming to me.

I find dsjstr's scumteam of me and Hectic odd. He has never really explained this despite the pestering.

Spy is interesting and I don't know what to make of them.

Listen to me all i have a plan... we should go no further in discussion. Kill nastu.... if he flips green then if what happens tonight happens etc etc etc i think you guys will go into day 3 with atleast 1 mafia killed.

I really don't like this "I have a plan, just go along with this guys" thing. I'm guessing it involves lynching me and then Pikachu. No idea what he's on about with "what happens tonight."

Can you explain your scum reads on both me and Pikachu?

[Natsu]

@dkkoba do you have any reads at all that aren't tone-based?

And I get that you're drunk and almost don't even want to reply to this, but your reasoning is dumb. You never even asked me to join your townblocc.

alright i want hectic, DP, and r1 in my townblocc, what do yall say to that

[Luca Blight]

You’ve gone from wanting me dead to TR’ing me, Natsu.

Can you explain that development?

[Natsu]

I said both you and Pikachu. This was said at one of the heights of the filler discussions you two were happening. I think you actually have the capacity to be active in solving but Pikachu is a bad influence and is siphoning all of your energy.

I went back and looked at most of your scumreads on me. You're actually really substantiating your points and not just throwing out random lines to see if others take the bait. I'm not going to even pretend that I don't look scummy in some of the things you bring up. Specifically some of my lamist posts have landed me in the pressure cooker, but you at least see Pikachu as the bigger threat.

[IMASPY]

I really don't like this "I have a plan, just go along with this guys" thing. I'm guessing it involves lynching me and then Pikachu. No idea what he's on about with "what happens tonight."

Can you explain your scum reads on both me and Pikachu?

Well when I was posting that plan my top 3 scum reads were you DP and hectic. I figured we lynch you, and if you ended up being town I would die in the night and people could maybe see that DP and hectic are scum team. I didnt want to declare that for hectic and dp to see because then they could easily just not kill me to throw that off.

I am less sure you are scum now. I have liked the last couple post you have made. Especially since you brought up reasons I am a also reading DP as scummy. This could be you protecting yourself, but I am not sure about that yet.

I was seeing hectic kinda protect you throughout the thread, while you were also town reading him. I percieved y'alls post as teaming. It's rare I see two scum just straight up town read each other so I became less confident about the pair when neither even attempted to turn on each other. Perhaps neither of you were pushed hard enough for the other to forsake their partner.

As of right now I have no solid scum team because DP has kinda become my number 1 scum read. Which is weird because I was seeing DP and Lucas arguement as TvT. I am kinda confused now.

My scum list hasnt changed much. I now have Luca as my top town read. I admit round 1 has been playing scummy but I dont really see it as scummy play that benefits scum if that makes any sense. No attempts to convince anyone that anyone is scum. No attempts at town clearing anyone. I still see them as town.

[IMASPY]

72offsuit and dkkoba are both kinda0 unknown to me atm.

I am leaning town on both, alittle less on 72offsuit, but that's probably due to them not trusting me for some reason. I felt I have done enough already to make myself known as town by the group. I was ready to hammer someone and take the death night 1 from a hectic/dp scum team.

[IMASPY]

I can understand the hectic/dp/natsu groups distrust of me because I have put them all as my scum read.

I suppose because I had a null read on 72offsuit they could see me as ignoring their slot out of fear or something. But the truth is their post arent very AI as of yet to me.

Dsjstr is my number 2 town read. I do still wish for then to contribute to the scum hunt alittle more.

[Natsu]

@Spy you quoted my question but forgot to answer it btw.

[Detective Pikachu]

I am less sure you are scum now. I have liked the last couple post you have made. Especially since you brought up reasons I am a also reading DP as scummy. This could be you protecting yourself, but I am not sure about that yet.

What did you like about natsu's recent posts? Those reads look really political to me

[Detective Pikachu]

72offsuit and dkkoba are both kinda0 unknown to me atm.

I am leaning town on both, alittle less on 72offsuit, but that's probably due to them not trusting me for some reason. I felt I have done enough already to make myself known as town by the group. I was ready to hammer someone and take the death night 1 from a hectic/dp scum team.

Ok well you can also convince me you're not scum with natsu because those posts were scummy af and you backing off because she wrote scummy long posts is nagl

[Detective Pikachu]

If you don’t think they’re scum then why are you voting them?

she poisoned the well and pre-accused me of omgus while I was townreading her so I wanted to see how she would react to a push

I sensed an omgus coming because - well - you kinda foreshadowed it
and thats a lie lol

I said you vanishing from the thread was making me doubt your townblocking. Yeah, I'm allowed to reevaluate your play since I have to consider the possibility you don't merely have bad reads but are hiding a scum agenda under the guise of toxicity and condescension and 'forgetfulness'

In any case I'm not going to keep you townblocked if I think there's risk of you throwing the game, which at the moment is my bigger concern since your biggest problem with me seems to be that in the early game I toneread people which is a pretty lazy and superficial reason to maintain a scumread

Walk me through your read on Natsu instead of keeping up with one-liner 'case closed' posts thanks

[Detective Pikachu]

'make reads based on not much'... Aka, play town on day 1

I have a reads list early game and arthur starts with 'you're a bad player'

R1 spends the game calling me condescending well before I made any actually condescending posts

But natsu sitting on the sidelines and saying 'ooh I scumread pika but I'm not really gonna do anything about it but complain' is still by far the most scummy approach to the gamestate while also happening to stil be toxic

How did I roll a game with the most toxic group of newbies I've ever seen? I literally don't know

Maybe don't play scum by negging people in the future though mmmmkay

[Detective Pikachu]

*yawn* dp is condescending as fuck god

Like where the fuck did this even come from? Almost the only thing in my iso before this was a reads list and you decided what the game needed was a big dosage of needless hostility? Why did you choose to begin the game with rudeness?

[Detective Pikachu]

Waitwaitwait I get it, you scumread me + hectic because we were the only people being pleasant to each other and you scumread anything other than outright hostility?

That's something you gotta nip right in the bud if so

[Detective Pikachu]

Like this is maybe a good point to mention that yes, people can get into tete-a-tetes here. I am sure people are like 'omg but ur argument with luca' and yeah, Luca escalated things a lot more than I would have liked

But if you are coming from epicmafia or whatever other site, bear in mind that the people on this site try to, in good games (which doesn't include this one) people are not cancer to each other all the time

so if that is the way you do things from EM or whatever leave that shit st the door thanks

[IMASPY]

VOTE: detective pikachu

I dislike how you are spending so many post framing other people's play style. You did it to round 1, luca, and myself. That's just off the top of my head. I'll do an iso dive on you to see if it's just us three.

[Detective Pikachu]

How exactly does confronting people about playstyle conflicts advance a scum agenda?