There's absolutely no reason to vote anyone that is not you or me during today, because there's a clear 50% chance of success lynching a mafia if they do, vs risking it lynching GW right now. I am trying to protect no one, I want people to vote between us two for the obvious reasons. The fact that you are avoiding to talk about it means only one thing. If you were townie, you'd want my head right now, not GW's, no matter how scummy be might seem. Confirmed scum > shady person, if you ask me who to vote.
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:58 pm
by Maduisha
I am posting a bit too much, but I really want to drive my point home.
You're saying that despite the fact that we know one of us two is mafia for sure (which from your point of view is me), you want someone else. How is that not scummy?
"Hey guys, I know Maduisha is mafia for sure, let's vote GW."
It just makes no sense, even if you genuinely thought I'm covering him. You should, instead, try to convince people to vote for me. But after your explanation as to why you didn't vote me over 72, I hope nobody buys your words.
I stated my reasons to lynch ceejay (aside from what I now know). I will go with who is most suspicious and I think his behavior is way worse than whatever you can read on GW's right now. But I don't want to state that as a fact and leave it like that, so please, give me your reasons to vote for GW instead (I am not going to change my vote, BTW, you're all free to jump on ceejay's train to lynch me, if this is so shady). Especially as to why are we voting GW if it's now confirmed that either ceejay or myself are mafia since one of us would have been lynched already. The only logical step is to lynch him, or me.
Ask yourselves who is mafia and why do you think so. I don't care if the answer is me, I want to listen to everyone's reasoning, at least.
Assuming you are town, shouldn't you not want us to hop on CJ's train to vote you considering this is lylo? Did you slip, implying there would be another day if we voted you?
So GW/JV are not aligned (otherwise they would have hammered by now). Madu/CJ could be bussing each other, but scum is in such an advantageous state that I doubt they would be bringing themselves to this extent. Same goes for CJ/GW and JV/GW, considering their first statements were that GW is scum. Scum team is Madu/GW or CJ/JV in my opinion.
In post 607, JacksonVirgo wrote:Scum is General and Ceejay as I said in my previous post from EoD.
I doubt it's Mad like I'm completely against their lynch
What makes GW more scum than ceejay? I find it hard to justify lynching ceejay AFTER GW when ceejay is considerably more scum in my opinion.
I stated my reasons to lynch ceejay (aside from what I now know). I will go with who is most suspicious and I think his behavior is way worse than whatever you can read on GW's right now. But I don't want to state that as a fact and leave it like that, so please, give me your reasons to vote for GW instead (I am not going to change my vote, BTW, you're all free to jump on ceejay's train to lynch me, if this is so shady). Especially as to why are we voting GW if it's now confirmed that either ceejay or myself are mafia since one of us would have been lynched already. The only logical step is to lynch him, or me.
Ask yourselves who is mafia and why do you think so. I don't care if the answer is me, I want to listen to everyone's reasoning, at least.
Assuming you are town, shouldn't you not want us to hop on CJ's train to vote you considering this is lylo? Did you slip, implying there would be another day if we voted you?
So GW/JV are not aligned (otherwise they would have hammered by now). Madu/CJ could be bussing each other, but scum is in such an advantageous state that I doubt they would be bringing themselves to this extent. Same goes for CJ/GW and JV/GW, considering their first statements were that GW is scum. Scum team is Madu/GW or CJ/JV in my opinion.
Ah, what I meant there is "I'm not changing my vote to GW, lynch me if you think that's shady" because he asked me to be the first one to lay the vote on him so he could change his too. Just a dumb way to say "please, don't". I'm sorry if the wording is confusing, English isn't my native language, as I mentioned before. Regardless, that's for GW and you to judge, but I think my reasoning makes sense.
There's no way those two are townies if they suggest to lynch Wu in spite of the information at hand, it just can't be.
These are the two posts that tick me off the most. Especially JV's, because I can't understand saying that after ceejay and I voted each other and nothing happened.
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:33 am
by ceejayvinoya
In post 650, Maduisha wrote:There's absolutely no reason to vote anyone that is not you or me during today, because there's a clear 50% chance of success lynching a mafia if they do, vs risking it lynching GW right now. I am trying to protect no one, I want people to vote between us two for the obvious reasons. The fact that you are avoiding to talk about it means only one thing. If you were townie, you'd want my head right now, not GW's, no matter how scummy be might seem. Confirmed scum > shady person, if you ask me who to vote.
You do know there is also a clear 50% chance of success if we lynch genwu, right?
Considering that we all scumread genwu at that point, that was not an unreasonable idea for town to make.
You're just blowing it out of proportion to make it look a worse idea than it actually is.
Which begs the question, why do you suddenly not want a wagon on genwu, someone who you thought was scum earlier?
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:56 am
by GeneralWu
Which begs the question, why do you suddenly not want a wagon on genwu, someone who you thought was scum earlier?
Which begs the question, why do
you
want a wagon on me, when you have like no reasons for it? Like, nearly everybody here is pushing me and not even giving good reasons for doing so.
Honestly guys, why are most of you just sheeping clidd and not even giving a reason for why?
In post 650, Maduisha wrote:There's absolutely no reason to vote anyone that is not you or me during today, because there's a clear 50% chance of success lynching a mafia if they do, vs risking it lynching GW right now. I am trying to protect no one, I want people to vote between us two for the obvious reasons. The fact that you are avoiding to talk about it means only one thing. If you were townie, you'd want my head right now, not GW's, no matter how scummy be might seem. Confirmed scum > shady person, if you ask me who to vote.
You do know there is also a clear 50% chance of success if we lynch genwu, right?
Considering that we all scumread genwu at that point, that was not an unreasonable idea for town to make.
You're just blowing it out of proportion to make it look a worse idea than it actually is.
Which begs the question, why do you suddenly not want a wagon on genwu, someone who you thought was scum earlier?
Except votes make a huge difference. I voted you and mafia didn't finish the job. Why would I want to test that on somebody else when we already saw what happened? Why would anyone want to prioritize the remaining players with the current situation? Voting anyone that isn't you or me is detrimental and risky, even if there's also 50/50 on GW and JV.
Also, stop ignoring all the reasons I gave to vote for you through the day, it's getting annoying. You dug your own grave with your answers to Mapple's question, wanting to push on a third person in this situation just confirms you don't know how to get out of it and are hoping you can somehow make the sufficient mental gymnastics to put GW on the spotlight.
I voted for you when it was early enough to catch you off guard and you felt forced to vote for me not to look scummy. If you were town, you'd be wanting to lynch me after discovering that I didn't get lynched automatically either, but you and JV kept going after GW as if you saw nothing. Why? Because you know people people were talking about voting him earlier and you wanted to distract the town from the fact that you're looking pretty scummy right now. The only logical path for you is to want to lynch the 100% scum person from your (hypothetical) perspective, but you still want the 50%? Yeah, no.
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:26 pm
by Maduisha
I think I'm writing posts that are too long, so I'll simplify my answer to why I don't want a train on GW:
I voted you. You are not dead. That means to me that you are 100% mafia.
Wanting a train on confirmed scum>>>wanting a train on anyone else.
You being in my same situation and pursuing someone that still has any kind of chances to flip town instead of lynching me, means you're not town.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:36 am
by OldMapleNostalgia
Wow, this is really slow with clidd dead.
I think the game is solved, it just comes down to a 50/50. The scum team must be GW/Madu or CJ/JV. My vote will be on CJ or one of GW/Madu today, I haven't decided. I'm waiting for JV to respond to my question to finalize my thoughts.
Which begs the question, why do you suddenly not want a wagon on genwu, someone who you thought was scum earlier?
Which begs the question, why do
you
want a wagon on me, when you have like no reasons for it? Like, nearly everybody here is pushing me and not even giving good reasons for doing so.
Honestly guys, why are most of you just sheeping clidd and not even giving a reason for why?
I scum read Madu and CJ more than you, simply because of how the vote scenarios played out.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:49 am
by OldMapleNostalgia
Madu/JV team isn't out of the question either, given how JV refuses to vote her. I think GW/CJ is not a scum team, so I would like to hear what his scenarios for scum would be.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:03 am
by Maduisha
I don't want to flood it saying the same thing over and over again, but not only ceejay, but also JV wanted to go for GW after the vote scenario would make you think that's dumb, but none of them started the vote because it would reveal them. They're waiting for a townie to take a false step. Ceejay even
asked
me to be the first one to vote him, for no reason. They can't be bolder than this...
Just think about how no townie in his situation would want to lynch anyone but me, and he's still acting against logic because he slipped and has to run with it.
I think the game is solved, it just comes down to a 50/50. The scum team must be GW/Madu or CJ/JV. My vote will be on CJ or one of GW/Madu today, I haven't decided. I'm waiting for JV to respond to my question to finalize my thoughts.
What question?
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:50 pm
by GeneralWu
I see maduisha's point of hanging one out of her/ceejay, although I do have to point out that if some other than maduisha/ceejay were acting very obviously scummy, we could hang that player instead of maduisha or ceejay. Sometimes it's easier to hang someone else first if it's super obvious he's mafia.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:50 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 666, GeneralWu wrote:I see maduisha's point of hanging one out of her/ceejay, although I do have to point out that if some other than maduisha/ceejay were acting very obviously scummy, we could hang that player instead of maduisha or ceejay. Sometimes it's easier to hang someone else first if it's super obvious he's mafia.
OH YEAH I GOT POST #666
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:03 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 663, OldMapleNostalgia wrote:Madu/JV team isn't out of the question either, given how JV refuses to vote her. I think GW/CJ is not a scum team, so I would like to hear what his scenarios for scum would be.
I agree that maduisha/jv has a possibility of being the mafia team.
In fact, right now I do think they could very likely be the mafia team.
JV vehemently opposes hanging maduisha despite maduisha doing some things that are quite scummy, at least how I look at it.
Basically, maduisha hammered early on day 1, and JV let her get away with it.
Maduisha also voted early today, which is pretty much a repeat of the same mistake she made day 1. If maduisha and ceejay were both townies, that would have been enough to lose the game.
Yet, all JV says about this is "you're voting early in lylo?"
If maduisha had truly made an unintentional mistake day 1, I don't think she would have taken the risk today.
In post 627, Maduisha wrote:Well, that's it... I am voting for ceejay, I'm sorry if this ends poorly for us, but I think it's the best lead we can take at the moment, since I think he has the highest palpable suspicious behavior.
VOTE: ceejayvinoya
I mean, this above post is pretty much the exact same thing maduisha said day 1 after voting phi.
"oh i'm sorry if this doesn't turn out well, but I'm just gonna throw this random vote and hope i hit a mafia"
It's honestly kind of suspicious how maduisha made the same mistake twice and JV is just sitting there letting it all happen.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:16 pm
by JacksonVirgo
It's funny how I am scummy because of letting them off the hook when Clidd did just as much as I did with the exact same logic, are you calling the dead flipped town a scum? Fuck off
In post 663, OldMapleNostalgia wrote:Madu/JV team isn't out of the question either, given how JV refuses to vote her. I think GW/CJ is not a scum team, so I would like to hear what his scenarios for scum would be.
I agree that maduisha/jv has a possibility of being the mafia team.
In fact, right now I do think they could very likely be the mafia team.
JV vehemently opposes hanging maduisha despite maduisha doing some things that are quite scummy, at least how I look at it.
Basically, maduisha hammered early on day 1, and JV let her get away with it.
Maduisha also voted early today, which is pretty much a repeat of the same mistake she made day 1. If maduisha and ceejay were both townies, that would have been enough to lose the game.
Yet, all JV says about this is "you're voting early in lylo?"
If maduisha had truly made an unintentional mistake day 1, I don't think she would have taken the risk today.
In post 627, Maduisha wrote:Well, that's it... I am voting for ceejay, I'm sorry if this ends poorly for us, but I think it's the best lead we can take at the moment, since I think he has the highest palpable suspicious behavior.
VOTE: ceejayvinoya
I mean, this above post is pretty much the exact same thing maduisha said day 1 after voting phi.
"oh i'm sorry if this doesn't turn out well, but I'm just gonna throw this random vote and hope i hit a mafia"
It's honestly kind of suspicious how maduisha made the same mistake twice and JV is just sitting there letting it all happen.
Buddy, what? I never claimed to hammer by mistake, I clearly said I wanted to hammer to skip the day, and I never tried to hide that fact in any of my posts after the hammer. What I did right has nothing to do with that. On day 1, I voted suddenly on a player on L-1 and closed the thread giving no reaction time to anyone and no warning that I was going to do so, because I was not interested in what PKP turned out to flip as, I was bored enough to want to skip the day. Call it being scummy in people's faces, a newbie mistake, or sociopathic behavior (I miss Clidd), but it has nothing to do with what I did about the vote on Ceejay.
When day 3 opened, 3 people (including me) were talking about lynching you. And while I take 72's opinion into consideration, I thought there were some shady things that happened during the previous day, so I asked people questions, and I think Ceejay answered with a poorly thought out lie, so I explained my reasons to suspect him here:
In post 580, OldMapleNostalgia wrote:Can you guys explain why 72 is a better lynch than Madu, why doesn't anyone else think Madu is scum-lock? Sorry I wasn't fully following the thread.
I want ceejay to answer this question.
Is this a trick question
72 was behaving in such a way that is not helpful at all.
That and both clidd and JV say you're town for some reason.
The only one who would be up for lynching you at the time would be maple and genwu
I agree he reacted poorly and that didn't help, but if your resolve would have actually been lynching the scummiest person around, I think you would have voted for me, exactly because of what you said. OMN was up for lynching me, as they stated when he asked for people's reasons not to vote for me (which only JV and clidd answered, interestingly enough), GW already had his vote on me, and with you, that's 3. Only one vote away from lynch. And if you ask me, one vote was easy to get, especially considering I had 3 people vote me before, which means there's suspicion and predisposition to vote for me. If what you just said are all your reasons to go for 72 instead of me, I'd argue you just didn't care who got lynched out of the two, and went with the one that was more accessible at the moment, who turns out it's the more experienced, less shady of the two. And if you're mafia and GW is your partner, it would make sense for you to want to get rid of the person who saw through him during the early game.
Tl;dr, I think getting that last vote on me was easy and your claim here is false. Simply, getting rid of 72 was more convenient than lynching a townie that acted scummy.
(In case you missed it.)
In post 623, Maduisha wrote:I think you have a point about the fact that blindly following 72's hunch is maybe not too smart, even if I think his opinion is valuable, as he can be wrong just like anyone else. As for me working with JV, that's certainly a possibility I can't deny with anything other than my word, so I won't bother. I think I want to place my vote on ceejay. I'll wait until Mapple shows up too, but I'll say now that after he does, I am using my vote with no hesitation.
And here later on, I state my intent to vote him, and I include the fact that I'll wait for Mapple to show up, in case he has anything against it, since everyone else has posted already.
So, I explained my reasons to suspect him, I warned twice, and I used my vote. Just how is this "the same mistake as she made on day 1"? The behavior is completely different
and
I never claimed for it to be a mistake.
You want to know why I voted for Ceejay so fast? Because he was looking more suspicious than anyone else, and I thought if a townie voted on him first and he's mafia, he'd have a hard time just ignoring that fact, so he'd rush to vote me to avoid revealing himself (which he did). Furthermore, he wants to lynch you, but he won't take the step to be the first one to vote for you. I think there's a reason why he doesn't want to. Because you are you and you won't vote yourself, JV is his partner and can't start the vote on you and reveal themselves, and same goes for Ceejay himself. And I refused to move my vote from him because he's confirmed scum from my perspective. So, he's waiting for Mapple to get confused and vote you, or someone else to vote me with him, but otherwise he's stuck in the position of voting me while asking people to vote for you.
And there's the fact that he wants you, who has chances to flip town, as lynch target despite me being supposed to be confirmed scum in his perspective, but I think I said that eleven million times and I'm starting to bore myself...
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:07 pm
by Maduisha
Tl;dr, I don't think my behavior on day 1 is in any way similar to what I did about Ceejay. And exposed why I suspect him once again. Zzz...
I think the game is solved, it just comes down to a 50/50. The scum team must be GW/Madu or CJ/JV. My vote will be on CJ or one of GW/Madu today, I haven't decided. I'm waiting for JV to respond to my question to finalize my thoughts.
In post 607, JacksonVirgo wrote:Scum is General and Ceejay as I said in my previous post from EoD.
I doubt it's Mad like I'm completely against their lynch
What makes GW more scum than ceejay? I find it hard to justify lynching ceejay AFTER GW when ceejay is considerably more scum in my opinion.
JV, why GW before CJ?
He's asking you why did you make the following quoted comment despite the vote situation giving us solid information to work with.
