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In post 649, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 648, Iconeum wrote:No, you clearly said 'if they don't pick up their prod' I will hammer them. Did you use the word quickhammer ? No. But the act of hammering upon not picking up prod with 3 days (which is a lot) is in fact a quickhammer.

Justifying this with 'sparing the feelings of a player' is meaningless, because this is mafia after all. Even if a replacement only gets to post a couple times, it will be valuable for everyone upon flip.

1. Its not.
2. Its still not.
3. Once again if we don't get a replacement OR A DEADLINE EXTENSION. I didn't see the point of having a 3rd person just replace in to because at the time.

They were L-1

But what do I know. The simple fact that you have to use the word "quickhammer" irks me since that was never said at all.
The act of hammering for not picking up a prod to save the mod some trouble to be nice and find a replacement. I'm glad we're drawing lines in the sand now. And the act of lynching someone who is clearly not picking up a prod.

It's about your motivation. First you say you want as much information as possible, but when push comes to shove you already give intent to lynch DAYS before deadline AND not allowing a possible replacement to catch up (ergo quickhammer), denying us any possible information.

Using an excuse as 'saving the mod some trouble' or 'saving a player the trouble' is a very poor reason to hide behind.

So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Because that's the only motivation behind this that I can think of

But who would Elmo's partner be?

it's day 1 i'd rather not play associative game until we actually have a scumflip

In post 654, Iconeum wrote:associative game

What do you mean by this?

you asked about the partner, that's called finding associatives or making them

its better to think about that after a flip rather then before at this stage of the game

In post 651, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

In post 657, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 651, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

In post 660, Iconeum wrote:

In post 657, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 651, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

Yep. If this slot is town, at the bare minimum we at least get some dying FoSes or some decent town or scum reads that others have missed.
If the slot is scum then no harm done.

Hello, you wanted this slot to post?

I've given everything a read over and I'm kinda lost. Jeez, you people post a LOT.

I'll have a look at things soon, but I'd love it if no-one quickhammers me while I have some lunch and a bath and I'll come back and have a proper look to get a read on people.

In post 662, Jormengand wrote:Hello, you wanted this slot to post?

I've given everything a read over and I'm kinda lost. Jeez, you people post a LOT.

I'll have a look at things soon, but I'd love it if no-one quickhammers me while I have some lunch and a bath and I'll come back and have a proper look to get a read on people.

Ok, noone is going to quickhammer you.

In post 662, Jormengand wrote:I've given everything a read over and I'm kinda lost. Jeez, you people post a LOT.

oh boy do i have some bad news for you

In post 660, Iconeum wrote:

In post 657, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 651, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

No its called moving on with the game. The point is moot though.
Lynch a spot that's said and done nothing with this game. Yet everyone was calling for the spot to be killed a few days ago when the person went AWOL. So it's scummy that I wanted the game to move on?
Seriously the logic behind this is such a fallacy I don't get it.

In post 665, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 660, Iconeum wrote:

In post 657, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

In post 651, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

No its called moving on with the game. The point is moot though.
Lynch a spot that's said and done nothing with this game. Yet everyone was calling for the spot to be killed a few days ago when the person went AWOL. So it's scummy that I wanted the game to move on?
Seriously the logic behind this is such a fallacy I don't get it.

Yeah, actually, it is scummy that you want the game to move on, since the alternative was for someone else to come along and add more information to the game. The logic seems pretty clear.

Maybe I want the game to move at a reasonable pace and am just tired of replacements? Its a bit much to have one spot be replaced 3x. Hate to tell you this.

In post 667, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Maybe I want the game to move at a reasonable pace and am just tired of replacements? Its a bit much to have one spot be replaced 3x. Hate to tell you this.

I guess it's reasonable to feel a level of frustration at that. This is the first time I've played in a game with replacements. It's.... different.

Okay so I clearly don't know what's going on, but it seems I haven't been lynched yet. Unfortunately, I don't have any info beyond "Woah, everything's kinda suspicious" and "Wait, please don't lynch me just 'cause I'm a replacement" and maybe "Hey I need to look through and get some reads because I've got no idea who I've got a read on."

And yeah, I guess I can see "I don't want anyone to have to deal with being the third sub" because I'm now the third sub and trying to work out what's going on is headachey. On the other hand I don't know that I would want to lynch just to spare someone the effort there.

Just getting my thoughts together, not lurking.


Elmo I'm totally new to this game, if quickhammer was the wrong terminology then I am sorry but not sure how the connotations differ.

In post 669, Jormengand wrote:Hey I need to look through and get some reads because I've got no idea who I've got a read on."

Do this please.

#267

Makes me go hmm too.

Wanting the game to move on/feeling bad for a replacement getting lynched right away/saving Datisi some time finding a replacement is considerate to all scenarios except the one where we want all the information possible before we have to move forward. Which is at odds with things you've said previously, like Ico said.



#632 @clidd
What what? If they were a scum pair it would make sense for Ico to come off if the wagon but try and make a balanced case for it.

Sorry I'm confusing you. If it helps, I'm also confused. Not sure if I'm terrible at hypothesising altogether or just struggling to keep up with all the possibilities. I can't just keep my mouth shut and not say anything at all though. Not used to being the slow one in any situation and it's making me uncomfortable.


I'm still thinking about the scum Ico theory, sorry to disappoint, but I'm less stuck on it now and feel as though my vote wasn't representative of my feelings overall. Not sure why scum me would have stood their ground so long if it was going to blow up in my face.

Player by player:

Jormengand: Absolutely positively the worst.
Doobietime: Seems to be trying to cover bases in a very unusual way, and the thing where she FoSed a counterclaim, got an entire explanation of why that's a bad idea and then went... "Yeah okay sure I can't convince you", I dunno, that seems potentially suspicious.
Clidd: No real read so town on balance of probabilities, probably. If mafia, doing a good job of pretending not to be.
72: In general, I don't like people going "Aha, I have reasons but I'm not gonna tell you!" like in #565, but I know that's in a lot of people's townrange. There's nothing really suspicious about him, but nothing massively exonerating either.
Atarashi: Some decent analysis that makes me want to lean town, but I'm not sure. While I'm not happy that they've been spending a decent amount of time pointing at people who are now me, I'm not certain I can blame them, so I probably lean town on them.
WizenedWalrus: Hasn't had a great deal of chance to post but has been scumhunting a decent bit. Maybe a little eager to jump on people given a chance? Probably town but I'm not certain.
Elmo: A lot of her early reasoning seems to make more sense in context, but I don't totally appreciate someone trying to kill me before I even get a chance to speak.
Menalque: I know that there town players who make gambits like that, but unfortunately, I don't know Menalque enough to know if he would do that as town but I suspect the answer is "No". Unless he's known for making that kind of gambit?
Iconeum: Conversely, I don't think it would make the CC as mafia. Reads as town to me. I can sorta see the arguments against, but I don't really.

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