In post 649, Micc wrote:yeah, I kinda hate that as a take on mafia theory. It's never been appropriate for me to say that as your game mod, but I'm happy to say it as another player.
To each their own. I actually do it to preserve my Town game and keep it effective, but if you have a different opinion, fine. It's not like I am not giving reasons for things. Half the time it's just that I think something is obvious so don't feel the need to explain it because I'm not actually all that sure of the read being correct anyways, but I digress.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 am
by Town looter
Checking in. Not hammering, but certainly intent to do so.
I am still processing the Nash/Micc and Micc/LQ interactions. There's a few things I need to think through, and I also want to hear from Mikul.
IDK. Micc's point about leaving a crumb to confirm the final Town member only works if Nash, if Scum, is RB. Otherwise it's a complete moot point.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:04 am
by Micc
i mean, there's no downside. So not following through with that plan is pretty explicitly spewing win%. why is this even being debated?
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:30 am
by keyenpeydee
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:49 am
by Mikul
will play catch up with this tomorrow, tonight is my dnd game but will fully catch up sometime then
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:58 am
by Town looter
Might wanna unvote then so Nash can't self-hammer.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:01 pm
by Town looter
In post 653, Micc wrote:i mean, there's no downside. So not following through with that plan is pretty explicitly spewing win%. why is this even being debated?
My concern is the WIFOM no kill scenario. I was unsure of whether it is a good idea to talk about it or not, but too late now.
We ran into a similar situation in my last game.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:11 pm
by Micc
mafia has the option to do a WIFOM no kill regardless of Mikul pre-claiming a target or not. so i'm not seeing how that's relevant.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:19 pm
by LicketyQuickety
UNVOTE:
I kinda hate this game. It seems everyone is fairly Town to me. I don't have a great grasp of really feeling like I have anyone nailed.
(also funnily enough, I did notice your lack of extravagant formatting in here and thought it odd)
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:43 pm
by Town looter
In post 653, Micc wrote:i mean, there's no downside. So not following through with that plan is pretty explicitly spewing win%. why is this even being debated?
I don't think it is as simple as you make it out to be. I've thought out a whole bunch of scenarios, and while I think you are probably right on balance, the advantage is small, and certainly not clear cut.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:05 am
by Micc
In post 661, Town looter wrote:(also funnily enough, I did notice your lack of extravagant formatting in here and thought it odd)
Where is Nash using extravagant formatting enough that a lack of it being used here is worth mentioning?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:49 am
by LicketyQuickety
Fun game. Still tryina figure stuff out, but I do think it was weird for Micc to try and decide who to lynch in F3 on F5.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 pm
by Micc
i think its just a question of how much do you value a confirmed town voice? and for me the answer is quite a bit. i would rather have mikul involved in the decision than not
In post 306, brassherald wrote:People voting Anthony when Vox whatever did less yesterday smh.
VOTE: Nash
one of these votes is bussing
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:15 pm
by Town looter
I agree with Micc in as much I think discussing tomorrow is a good idea given the situation.
However, I am finding Micc's approach to be slightly off. The interaction with Nash seemed a bit forced (compared to his interaction with LQ), and he has been... twitchy (not sure of right word here?) on a few things - the effort put into pro-townieness is pinging for me a little.
In post 199, Town looter wrote:You were right votato, that was a pretty easy read, esp if you iso Mikul first then ignore all his shit as you go through (seriously those phone posts hurt my head...)
In post 27, VexoOssa wrote:Nice to meet yall!! I know we can't stay friendly forever,
but not having to choose a solid vote is pretty calming
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The dice say Vote: mutesa1
nothing against you m8 just had to do something..
I think everyone has missed the scummiest part of this post. The dice thing is just awkward, but NAI imo,
BUT why the fuck is Vexo not calm in the first place?
What possible reason do they have to agitated? Town should be pretty fucking chill during RVS by my reckoning. This has pinged me strongly.
VOTE: VexoOssa
Other reads as follows:
Anthony - Noob-town. Not sure I buy the rationale for his wagon. I have the feeling Lunatic or votato (one, prob not both) are pushing another mislynch on a newbie.
votato - Null, leaning town, but I think one of him or Lunatic is scum.
Mikul - Null, very slightly scummy, but POE probably says town. His flop onto me seems suspicious, but generally sounds pretty town. However, I have personally observed him and Lunatic playing a damn good town sounding game.
Brassherald - Mild scum vibes, jumping on Arthurs wagon the way he did doesn't sit right for me. Both confirmed townies called him out at some point too: Arthur in 76 and Porkens in 132.
Lunatic - Mild scum vibes, mostly because of POE with him/votato. Slot was slightly scummy from the one bad post and inactivity, then the wagon on Anthony stuff. I also don't think his posts in the last 24 hours have been helpful at all, but that's not real AI at this stage...
Which is the exact thing I saw that points me more towards Micc being Scum over Tl. I mean, my TR's are usually good, and I wasn't on the Newbie, but maybe I should analyze this post more.
Red is a bit OTT, but beyond that it doesn't look TOO bad. It's a little weird, but not like super Scummy or anything.
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:55 pm
by Micc
In post 428, LicketyQuickety wrote:I think it's pretty clear at least one of TL/votato is Scum. I think TL has made some posts that are hard(er) to fake as Scum, so that leaves me thinking votato is Scum.
So Scum are in those three between TL/votato/nash.
I really think the way votato dropped off means he's Scum since he doesn't actually have legit reasons for why I am Scum and can't defend that position.
I'm not sure how much stock i put into rule of three as a tell, but this would be it if LQ is mafia.
i think more importantly, LQ and TL are expressing fairly accurate reads at this stage in the game. Knowing that day 2 ends in a pretty uneventful compromise elimination, my question is which of LQ/TL is pushing these reads genuinely and who is just riding out the day phase?
In post 427, Mikul wrote:no ones voting yet , and we have time. It's not just activity as to why i'm scum reading you. I put the exact posts above but I agree that you being more active is not ai
it def could be you trying to do better as town so you dont get lynched from the same reasons but that is not the basis of the scum reads.
I get that, but I was also suggesting my approach/style was similar, not just my activity: I was wishy-washy/flippy-floppy with reads often, and I was also the wagon starter and pushed on Neutron Star - which bears very similar circumstances to the Arthur situation. I was pushing for reactions/pressure, not because I felt particularly strongly that either Arthur or NS were 100% scum.
My initial little snide remarks about lynching Arthur were reaction tests designed to test how Arthur would react. Again I find it odd that you would find this type of stuff scummy given your usual approach to D1...
If i knew that was your intent like 100 percent I woudnt
But surely the scum motivation for the snide remarks is a bit of a stretch? Supposedly Scum!TL perfectly baits the one towny who is likely to get ultra defensive and throw a tantrum, therefore making them the perfect mislynch target.
Nearly everyone thought Arthur was scummy, not because what I said, but because of the reactions I (and others) prompted out of him. It was his responses that led to his death. I contributed by putting pressure on, sure, but that's the job of town. Not doing it would be scummy too.
Now the votes on Arthur are a different matter. And you are correct in suspecting me because of my vote. Just like you should be very suspect of Anthony, Brass and to an extent votato. There is almost certainly scum in one of us four, and I know it's not me. I initially thought votato town, but that read is getting stale - they haven't done a lot to help town recently in my mind (but null rather than anything else).
(seriously those phone posts hurt my head...)