Newbie 2021 - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

No eliminate isn't a terrible idea

It removes the chance of us running up the doctor and allows to cop to keep getting results

[elychres]

I'm down for a no elim tbh

[ClarkBar]

This game has been

out of my mind

long enough that I forgot about the claim

In that case, what is your result

Was it ever in your mind? Can we expect an uptick in activity? Why should that change in activity be viewed as town-motivated?

[ClarkBar]

I'm down for a no elim tbh

Nope

[ClarkBar]

No eliminate isn't a terrible idea

Basic Clarkbar checking in.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[elychres]

I'm down for a no elim tbh

Nope

Very good post bub.

[WerewolfDon]

@Clark The chance of Ely lying is basically nonexistent, other than Jam & Volxen not having had time to chime in. If they were lying, the game would be over and town would win automatically (we have enough days to elim both, and one of the two would be the last maf). I have faith that Ely is not this bad!

So I am not sure there is any point in discussing this.

Dunn... why are you getting ely to out results so fast? As I was saying yesterday, it's actually good to try and hide them. We've either already won or we're in doc setup, so Ely can continue to get results indefinitely until the doc dies, then release them.

... so, should we just kill Dunn for that obviously maf play? Of anyone here, he should know better.

[ClarkBar]

Thank you! It was eloquent and to the point. Far be it for me to pat myself on the back, but since you brought it up...

Seriously though, no elim is a no go for me. I'm fairly new at this, but it seems the greatest favor you can do for scum is to set up a consequence day period. **WIFOM ALERT** If I were scum I'd love the idea of a no elimination.

[WerewolfDon]

VOTE: Dunn

Until I go reread shit better.

[ClarkBar]

@Clark The chance of Ely lying is basically nonexistent, other than Jam & Volxen not having had time to chime in. If they were lying, the game would be over and town would win automatically (we have enough days to elim both, and one of the two would be the last maf). I have faith that Ely is not this bad!

So I am not sure there is any point in discussing this.

Dunn... why are you getting ely to out results so fast? As I was saying yesterday, it's actually good to try and hide them. We've either already won or we're in doc setup, so Ely can continue to get results indefinitely until the doc dies, then release them.

... so, should we just kill Dunn for that obviously maf play? Of anyone here, he should know better.

I'll check back in tomorrow when some of y'all have decided to actually read what I've written and made some effort to infer.

[WerewolfDon]

? Infer? There's no inferring. If Ely is lying, the other PR should CC RIGHT NOW.

100%. RIGHT NOW.

Do not screw around. if it's you, just say it. We automatically win.

[JamSV]

Well then, to say the least I was clearly completely wrong avout Don and Walter. @Don sorry for me gunning so hard for you day 1. I clearly need to rethink what not-pro-town actions actually mean.

[JamSV]

ClarkBar + The Bulge put Walter in danger zone unecessarily, Don + volxen would have been bussing to suicidal levels.

So sorting should be between me, Dunnstral and Jam.

I have to agree with this to be honest.
VOTE: Dunnstral

[JamSV]

That's E1 by the way

[JamSV]

If it's not me or Dunn its Clark. This is a town win.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: No elimination

[JamSV]

See, I know exactly what this is getting at.
Dunn you're already at E1.
If you're going to "claim" Doctor do it now.
If you claim Doctor and are telling the truth, we have 3 conf town.
The Bulge, Dunnstral, and Elychres.
Day 2, if we hammer a person incorrectly, Doctor saves Cop, we either have D3 with 3 conf towns, or 2 conf towns and scum.
The point is I don't believe your Doctor breadcrumbs with 650.
If you're going to claim it, claim it.

[JamSV]

Heeby Jeebies, I just realised that post#.

[JamSV]

If you claim Doctor without anybody counter claiming Dunnstral, the hammer pool goes down to me, Clark, or Volxen. In which case one of the 3 of us get hammered, Elychres investigates one of the remaining 2, and we get a town win Day 3.

[Dunnstral]

I prefer to no eliminate

[Dunnstral]

Do you want to do that before or after you fish a role claim out of me?

[Dunnstral]

Also, I can't fake claim doctor if I'm mafia and still go on to win the game, so you really are just fishing

[JamSV]

I'm going with your concerns in 650
You and I are the 2 most likely hammers today, if we know who the Doctor is, it's still a guaranteed win for town with correct play from the Cop, and it's a faster win.
If the Doctor ends up getting killed N2, we still go into D3 with 3 conf roles.
A cop, and either 2 town, or town and 1 scum.
If we know who the doctor is, the hammer pool goes down, and in a vacuum, we'd have a 1/4 chance of hitting scum. Of course, that isn't the case. Don's basically safe town, unless, as UNOwen said, bussing to suicidal levels. Though, that applies more to Don as he was pushing much harder than volxen. In that case it goes up to 1/3 or 1/2 depending on exactly who the Doc is. Let's say we get it wrong, and hit a Vanilla Townie, we fix what we did during Day 3 and win then.

The Doctor claiming guarantees a town win, latest being Day 3.
If the Doctor doesn't claim, the win isn't guaranteed, as we'd end up in a Hammer or Lose day 4.
If we don't eliminate we get to Hammer or Lose day 4 with even more room for someone to make a huge mistake.

The safest win, and the quickest win, is when the Doctor reveals today to reduce the Hammer Pool. That's all there is to it. That's why, I'm asking if you're the Doctor, and I'm asking you in particular, due to 650 feeling like Doc crumbs, not for a fake claim as Mafia, for a counter claim against Mafia. So, once again, if you are actually the Doctor, claim, and we can win Day 3, maybe even Day 2.

Claiming Vanilla Townie by the way.

[JamSV]

That goes for whoever the Doctor is by the way, if you claim we win maximum day 3. If you don't we can end up going into a Day 4 hammer or lose and losing from a mistake.

[JamSV]

PS - If you all think I'm scum asking for this, I'll help hammer myself, considering I'm in the hammer pool, we get the winning hammer Day 3 even if I die.