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In post 648, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 646, Flavor Leaf wrote:it is kinda weird that it's just now coming up

it's weird that i waited until a massclaim to claim?

oh, we aren't really massclaiming, but this does make sense then.

Might as well full send then.

In post 643, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm not implicating him in the death, just wondering what the chances are of this actually being true are.

i'd say, in the absence of a counter-claim, it's fairly likely to be true?

And why would I lie about it?

In post 650, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 648, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 646, Flavor Leaf wrote:it is kinda weird that it's just now coming up

it's weird that i waited until a massclaim to claim?

oh, we aren't really massclaiming, but this does make sense then.

Might as well full send then.

well shit. i shot my shot i guess...

NPOM, you up

In post 649, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 644, Battle Mage wrote:lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

the neighborhood was created prior to Andres dying? I thought he was a neighborizer, where you get the neighborhood when he successfully targets.

it happened at the same time. At the start of Day, I was added to the neighbourhood, and Andres was confirmed dead. So now I'm a neighbour, with no special powers, in a defunct PT by myself.

Vanilla Town

but how did he say you were the towniest?

In post 651, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 643, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm not implicating him in the death, just wondering what the chances are of this actually being true are.

i'd say, in the absence of a counter-claim, it's fairly likely to be true?

And why would I lie about it?

How could anyone counterclaim since your neighbor is dead unless they watched/tracked?

Or they were recruited as a neighbor I guess. But any of those situations are highly unlikely.

In post 656, Flavor Leaf wrote:but how did he say you were the towniest?

he said it in the PT before he died. or do you mean, how did he describe it?

In post 657, NoPowerOverMe wrote:

In post 651, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 643, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm not implicating him in the death, just wondering what the chances are of this actually being true are.

i'd say, in the absence of a counter-claim, it's fairly likely to be true?

And why would I lie about it?

How could anyone counterclaim since your neighbor is dead unless they watched/tracked?

lol if I am pretending to be a neighbour for some idiotic reason, the real person who got neighbourised could claim it.

I'm baffled you're actually trying to frame this as AI somehow.

In post 658, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Or they were recruited as a neighbor I guess. But any of those situations are highly unlikely.

we have a neighbouriser

you are suggesting i fakeclaimed the person they targetted

it doesn't strike me as highly unlikely in that scenario that the person who was actually targetted would just say so.

it also means nothing in terms of alignments anyway

which begs the question - why would i lie?

In post 659, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 656, Flavor Leaf wrote:but how did he say you were the towniest?

he said it in the PT before he died. or do you mean, how did he describe it?

Why was the PT created before he targeted you, is what I’m asking.

It just seems a wierd claim on surface level since your neighbor is the only one night killed so far. Not saying it's not true.

In post 662, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 659, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 656, Flavor Leaf wrote:but how did he say you were the towniest?

he said it in the PT before he died. or do you mean, how did he describe it?

Why was the PT created before he targeted you, is what I’m asking.

dunno, he had it since start of day 1, but didnt post in it until start of night 1

In post 663, NoPowerOverMe wrote:It just seems a wierd claim on surface level since your neighbor is the only one night killed so far. Not saying it's not true.

Bro I just don’t get how you think. If it’s not true, what is the alternative that you think is more likely to be true?

In post 663, NoPowerOverMe wrote:It just seems a wierd claim on surface level since your neighbor is the only one night killed so far. Not saying it's not true.

wouldnt that be true whoever was targetted though? like you know there is a dead neighbouriser, you can infer they targetted someone. Why would it be weird for someone to then acknowledge that they were targetted? You seem to be implying me being targetted is linked to him being dead, when the two are mechanically unrelated. It's still possible I'm scum, but the fact I got neighbourised doesn't make it more likely (I'd argue it makes it less, given both dead town players had me as their top townread).

who is claiming next?

I'm not saying they're mechanically related, I'm saying it's possible you're using a townie's death to validate your claim. The fact that andres can't back up your claim for you makes me second guess you. Probability indicates you are telling the truth, but it just seems like a strange string of events to me.

No one else died between then and now, so the fact that no one is counterclaiming means the claim must be true.

If someone counterclaims, that’s great, because it means scum is taking an unnecessary risk.

In post 668, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm not saying they're mechanically related, I'm saying it's possible you're using a townie's death to validate your claim. The fact that andres can't back up your claim for you makes me second guess you. Probability indicates you are telling the truth, but it just seems like a strange string of events to me.

it doesnt validate my claim though, does it? If i hadnt been neighbourised, I'd be vanilla. Because I was neighbourised, I'm vanilla with a PT. what difference does it make?? of course he can't validate the claim - he is dead - he couldn't validate the claim of whoever he neighbourised. Are you saying you would have second guessed anyone who claimed to be the target? because that's what your stance implies, and it's frankly ridiculous.

lol even if i got counterclaimed so scum could 1v1 me or something, the question remains - why does BM pretend to be neighbourised when it achieves nothing in terms of towncred, and he is already unanimously townread? it makes zero strategic sense.

I'm second guessing it because neighbors generally can validate each others claims, and in this case it can't, and the fact that andres died n1 just seems wierd to me.

VOTE: Nopoweroverme

i changed my mind.

In post 672, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm second guessing it because neighbors generally can validate each others claims, and in this case it can't, and the fact that andres died n1 just seems wierd to me.

neighbours are not masons. If Andres was alive, all he could say is "I targetted BM last night, and he is a lovely chap". not alignment confirmation.