TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[The Bulge]

i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?

the momentum rising and then falling just shows that other people were seeing what I was seeing lmao

but I mean I kinda see what you're saying. if I had more specific things I cared to say about those walls I would have said them att, or like if I had been asked, but like now, I super don't care to explain myself further if that is what you are asking

i like that response from ari

big disagree. I don't like/agree the way he is describing the gamestate and don't understand the rush to end things. unvoting again and then continuing to throw shit at reck is also super bad. what do you like about it, besides the flow?

very free flowing

in like an ari-meta way, or like, are you implying only town can type out their thoughts as they come?

that being said i think i could shift my vote to the bulge here. that's probably underwhelming as well but when ari said he suspected bulge, i did go back and look and see he was doing a lot of questioning without pushing anywhere, and the fact that he keeps

talking about

making a vanity vote rather than

actually doing it

is scummy to me. i think because coming up with a lie is a little more difficult/unpleasant, people tend to procrastinate more as scum. i feel like if he had some super secret read he'd have just said it by now but he's holding back because he feels a need to justify it and hasn't been able to yet. that's my theory at least

lmao my guy I mentioned it once. I had to bounce and didn't want to drop a naked vote on someone I have more than a gutread on. you asked about, reck asked about, deas has mentioned it, datisi has mentioned it.

also how much time do you think I need to come up with one fake scumread hahaha. I've been scum more than a handful of times, I know what I'm doing. I haven't even given a name yet, you think scum!me can't find a

single shred of justification

for literally any townie in the game? that....kinda hurts lol

also you are familiar enough with my play even just from Antechamber alone to know that procrastination is NAI for me. in fact I seriously don't think town!you could throw out some "people tend to procrastinate more as scum" bullshit with a straight face regardless of who you were applying that to. it's just so weak. you were coming up with far better shit to shade me for in Antechamber and we were both town.

yea this post sucks, dude.

[The Bulge]

Sirius said innocent boy likes peta +town and is that the only town read innocent has? I have 6 players I am town reading and petapan is one of those players I'm still trying to figure out their alignment.

someone on the outside looking into this game is probably not making a huge deal about reading thoroughly/keeping their thoughts in order.

[The Bulge]

3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote.

I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.

I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

[DeasVail]

i was going to ask why DV was scumreading creature since it's the first he's mentioned it but it looks like he's getting into that

VOTE: the bulge

i've kinda accepted beeboy is just going to disappear so i'll vote somewhere that might react

Yeah I’m getting there

Will see where things go and maybe talk more about it in a bit

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I’m not quite as concerned about bulge right now as other people seem to be. I don’t really have much to justify a read either way right now, but I have a feeling it’ll be town

[petapan]

in like an ari-meta way, or like, are you implying only town can type out their thoughts as they come?

it felt stream of consciousness-y in a believable way

lmao my guy I mentioned it once. I had to bounce and didn't want to drop a naked vote on someone I have more than a gutread on. you asked about, reck asked about, deas has mentioned it, datisi has mentioned it.

also how much time do you think I need to come up with one fake scumread hahaha. I've been scum more than a handful of times, I know what I'm doing. I haven't even given a name yet, you think scum!me can't find a single shred of justification for literally any townie in the game? that....kinda hurts lol

also you are familiar enough with my play even just from Antechamber alone to know that procrastination is NAI for me. in fact I seriously don't think town!you could throw out some "people tend to procrastinate more as scum" bullshit with a straight face regardless of who you were applying that to. it's just so weak. you were coming up with far better shit to shade me for in Antechamber and we were both town.

yea this post sucks, dude.

i mean, like, i've missed before so i'm hesitant and am generally feeling dispassionate but AtEing me over some past game isn't gonna make me stop doing shit and in fact just makes me want to push harder. i think you've been sideline-y in a scummy way and dont understand the hesitance to name a simple gutread

[The Bulge]

I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

[The Bulge]

also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.

[The Bulge]

at this point I am probably actually going to finish doing my case and then just vote you instead for now.

[DeasVail]

Oh the case is not on peta? Aw I got excited there!

[DeasVail]

Anyway this suspense makes the game feel like thriller flick. Who will bulge vote for? Will their case actually be good? Is Bulge even town??

As a token of my gratitude, Bulge can move to town

[petapan]

I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

lol what the fuck is this

my big scum agenda: rush bulge to out his secret read in a stagnant game

also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.

specifically bringing up my past misread of you is a form of emotional appeal that's trying to intimidate me into backing down. you remind me of a mistake, the effect is to make me think i might be wrong again even though it's entirely different circumstances so i don't really care

[The Bulge]

drumroll please

I already talked about why Datisi initially pinged me with a few earlier posts. Datisi's defense was a weird awkward self-meta attempt that only made me feel stronger about my pings.

for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?

well now you're assuming I would remember something like that and that I would care if I did

i thought you'd remember how i started a flashwagon on your scumbuddy

/shrug idunno i thought it would be relevant to bring up if you're thinking i'm scum for something that's nai for me at worst but ok iguess

eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?

it's like, you're in my townleans atm, but in my mind you disliking those posts is a point against town!you. it's not a particularly strong point, but it's There, like a tiny pebble in my shoe.

the way he tries to turn it around on me by threatening his townlean on me is hilarious. and I despise how he calls off our discussion because we're not "gonna get anything more out of this", and then immediately proceeds to shade me? and like, if i am slipping out of your townleans, that's when you want to cut me loose of the convo? what scumhunting strategy is that? and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.


then there's this weird nervous jokey self-awareness I have been noticing more the further we get into the game. note the increasing frequency (imagine this as a line graph! game time on x, datisi's fake-sounding overly-self-aware posts on y, would be interesting to compare to how much people are throwing his name around in thread maybe)

ok wow this the only thing i'm talking about in this post is myself uhhh

ok i need to actually post something ok let's see.

ok i understand beeboy is doing the scum!beeboy thing but sources tell me that sometimes, just Sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this. (and a lightning quick meta search confirmed this.) so i'd like to ask the good people to not yet yeet. also you are free to now start discussing whether this post makes me a more or less likely partner for beeboy, i'm looking forward to it.

[snip]
jesus this post is saying nothing of value
my teammates are gonna be disappointed

- no i'm not trying to make a meta argument on why i'm XYZ alignment here, please lower the shotgun reck, i'm just illustrating that i'm usually not stingy with my votes)

yes i'm aware i'm potentially being unfair going from memory as opposed to like, actually opening iso's and rereading them to see, but i'm gonna be arrogant enough to say that if i don't remember anything worthwhile from the slot, maybe the slot hasn't done anything worthwhile.

insert: complaint how right now there is more than one person who is policy-able and that is sapping my will to even try. does that kinda complaint make me +town or +scum? anyway.
[snip]
also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.

VOTE: bulge
now if i'm the bulge's vanity vote, i can call bulge scum for omgusing, oh my god i'm a genuis.

that last one also suggests to me that Datisi suspects he was my ~secret read~, and is nervous about what I might say, and unwilling to engage me directly on it.

[The Bulge]

Oh the case is not on peta? Aw I got excited there!

next I will probably look at how likely or unlikely they are as partners, atm I can't think of any reasons why or why not.

[The Bulge]

I almost forgot

VOTE: peta

[Datisi]

I almost forgot

VOTE: peta

i actually cackled at this irl

ok i'll read it and respond in like. a little bit.

[petapan]

zzz

[The Bulge]

I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

lol what the fuck is this

my big scum agenda: rush bulge to out his secret read in a stagnant game

also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.

specifically bringing up my past misread of you is a form of emotional appeal that's trying to intimidate me into backing down. you remind me of a mistake, the effect is to make me think i might be wrong again even though it's entirely different circumstances so i don't really care

is what I said false? did you not prompt me to share my thoughts before they were ready, and then suggest that made me scummy?

sure, ok, but my point was never that you were wrong about me that game, it's that your reasons actually made sense and were extremely believable from my pov to be coming from town. here I see you spouting bullshit I don't think you even believe yourself.

[The Bulge]

and then suggest that made me scummy?

*and then suggest that my refusal made me scummy

[petapan]

we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on

really took you that long to put that shit together? too hard scraping the bottom of the barrel?

[DeasVail]

Oh okay that’s a pretty good read bulge, I’m intrigued.

I don’t entirely buy the read, and I think that the earliest point about your interaction could just be Datisi trying to pressure/sort you and not really thinking about how he looks from it. Feels a bit overtly manipulative to come from scum, while being manipulative as town can be totally normal.

I’m prepared to reconsider my stance ultimately but I doubt I vote to elim Datisi right now/soon

[DeasVail]

we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on

really took you that long to put that shit together? too hard scraping the bottom of the barrel?

You seem oddly unnerved

[petapan]

is what I said false? did you not prompt me to share my thoughts before they were ready, and then suggest that made me scummy?

sure, ok, but my point was never that you were wrong about me that game, it's that your reasons actually made sense and were extremely believable from my pov to be coming from town. here I see you spouting bullshit I don't think you even believe yourself.

ya i think you holding off rather than blurting it out signalled a lack of conviction

which if i had a case that shitty i'd be scared to say anything either


i always believe my reasons, even when i'm making them up tbh, but i don't think it's outrageous to say you were sideliney and this response is way over the top

[petapan]

we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on

really took you that long to put that shit together? too hard scraping the bottom of the barrel?

You seem oddly unnerved

why would i be unnerved by someone scumcasing datisi lmao

[DeasVail]

That’s what I was wondering too?

[The Bulge]

lol gottem