MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #3

DrippingGoofball (1): Xlos (634)

Jake the Wolfie (4) (F-2): Jake the Wolfie (465), Almost50 (470), nomnomnom (477), T3 (616)

Titus (1): Toogeloo (606)

nomnomnom (4) (F-2): DrippingGoofball (466), Titus (468), Galron (469), WhemeStar (476)

Not Voting (1): MathBlade

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Friday, July 2, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-02 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-11 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.
3: MathBlade replaces theslimer3.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[T3]

Hello MathBllade. Do you use the blade to slice your pi?

[MathBlade]

Nope. Pi is not sliceable. Pie is but not eating that.

After a quick skim it looks like DGB has claimed a guilty on Nom.
Nom weaves a tail of what seems to be uncomprehensible bullshit.
Jake claims they aren’t town.

I kinda feel like the team is DGB Nom and Jake.

Before you go wtf hear me out:

This exact play reminds me back to Yellowstone a fake claim being crafted to a situation.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12412763

The thing is I don’t get why Jake confirms that.

I just know that stuff isn’t adding up here.

The answer I feel I am supposed to buy based on that skim is Jake Scum/3P Nom is scum and DGB town but this kinda feels like its scum game. DGB can you give me some reads to ease my paranoia here? I really want to believe I repped into an easy win but I kinda feel like things aren’t that simple considering limits and the Euler method are integral to calculus (and other math) and make a lot possible I would be guessing that we would be looking for something with subjectivity for the scum since they’re called intuitionists (sp? Phone posting and SoC)

I think since we have to go one at a time we should probably pick within these three for today and narrow scope so I am going to start with their ISOs more in depth.

[MathBlade]

Looking over DGBs ISO and it’s claim, I don’t see why it checked Nom. Cop checks are generally done on null reads.
On 273 it said Nom is town.
I would like to hear from its perspective why it picked nom and not say my slot or a lurker or hell even Titus is always a good check because she’s Titus (okay maybe that’s just me here)

I am looking specifically for a town tell I believe it has and it hasn’t done either of its tells yet but I am looking for something particular.

Reviewing Nom’s ISO it just doesn’t make sense for a friendly neighbor. So I am pretty sure the claim is fake. The question remains is what does nom get from this specifically. They claimed fn and then Toog says they blocked them.

Now for case and purpose I am going to assume nom scum here because if nom truthtelling then Toog as any alignment benefits by truthtelling.

So if Nom and Toog are scum, Toog claimed for the purpose of attempting to save Nom. This would likely make Nom a high value PR. Doubly so if Jake is also scum. (Pretty much anyone who claims not town and doesn’t town it up is scum in my eyes.)

If Nom is scum and Toog is town, then Nom ended up outing a town PR thus making the bad claim helpful if Nom thinks he would die or a planned death. Therefore if this is a planned reaction (either by DGB or by feeling “outed”) then the most likely conclusion is Toog is town.

Jake’s ISO feels really uncaring/unguided. The math jokes were hilarious. Remind me to talk about cardinality sometime. Infinity’s infinity can be mind hurting fun.

However after Nom’s claim Jake suddenly starts caring and trying. This seems more aligned with Nom than a 3P. I think Jesters are bastard (except in Critical Role) and the OP says 3P doesn’t exist. So why does Jake claim not town. More trolling?

Will look over everyone’s iso tomorrow but I am going to play some consolatory gaming since I lost.

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Xios

Nope

[Xlos]

Ok after thinking about it some more, isn't it best to just postpone DG and nomnomnom for tomorrow? We simply end the day on a prime number of pages today, let nomnomnom attempt to send out a message, and if someone can confirm them, we can end the issue easily. So it's up to nomnomnom to choose a player that won't be NKed + is probably town. Since the mafia probably wants to kill Toogeloo tonight, it's got a high enough chance of succeeding if nomnomnom's claim is true, so we can choose which of them to annihilate. The odds will be in our favor.

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball

For people who want to antihate nomnomnom today, why not wait until tomorrow? I'll be on board provided that the friendly neighbor fails.

I'll think more about who to place a vote on tomorrow. I feel like some of the votes against Jake are just people not understanding that he is joking in most of his posts, but I haven't really looked into it.

[Titus]

@Math, I feel that you're assuming that people play the same as you and that reads don't change. There's a multitude of theories re:who to check.

I'm going to have to reflect here.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p8253143

More stuff to look at DGB+Muffins scum together.

Xlos sir your post is bad but I think it’s Townie bad. We have a lot on the table and we need a game plan to ensure accountability. We do not just let someone go from a guilty without a leash at minimum and barring a damn good claim we elim them.

The only issue I have with that is Jake is also in the barring a damn good claim we elim them camp. Claiming not town and his intro posts were jokey but didn’t start actually being serious and saying not to claim until Nom was pressured.

And yes, Titus DGB could have checked Nom and had a good reason but I want to hear it explain it. Hopefully in that explanation it towntells and my paranoia is gone but DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies.

[Titus]

DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies

Source?

Also why is Muffin relevant?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Math, I was joking when I said I was neautral. Just like how I was joking when I said I was an informed miller.

You are throwing shade at me, and that is scumlike

[MathBlade]

DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies

Source?

Also why is Muffin relevant?

It’s linked in the post that game search for guilty.

He ran a fake claim gambit in Whitestone.

@Jake — if you’re town then you were. If you’re scum then something caused you to be serious. There’s a good motto I have is that when someone tells you they’re not town you trust them on it. If you want me to think you’re town then just be town and quit joking around. There’s more than enough content for you to interact with. I am for the record not shading you. I stated what you did and my interpretations nothing else.

[Titus]

If DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies, then why don't we take the guilty on nomnomnom and then sort DGB later?

I'm not a fan of meta but you've laid out the possibility so it will be looked at in the off chance you are killed.

VOTE: nomnomnom

[MathBlade]

+1 I like that. To be fair me being killed kinda works in our favor because reasons. Once I skimmed I figured it was between any of DGB Nom and Jake and Nom is the sensible play there.

Btw I think that’s e-1 if my math is right. I won’t hammer until I am caught up.

[Galron]

VOTE: Xios

Nope

On board with this actually. VOTE: xlos

[Galron]

It looks like the Miller claim is probably true. If nom wasn't lying about being blocked, I don't think he'd lie about being a Miller. And I still think dgb is town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Jake — if you’re town then you were. If you’re scum then something caused you to be serious. There’s a good motto I have is that when someone tells you they’re not town you trust them on it. If you want me to think you’re town then just be town and quit joking around. There’s more than enough content for you to interact with. I am for the record not shading you. I stated what you did and my interpretations nothing else.

How do you know that I, Jake The Wolfie, wouldn't joke around as scum?
If I was serious about claiming to be Neutral, then I would've done it in a more serious way, or maybe even ~soft~ my role.
My goal.. isn't.. to convince you that I'm town. My goal may include to convince you not the vote for me, but that's true regardless of alignment.
You can say you weren't shading me, but that doesn't make it true.

Anyway, I don't like being self-put at E-2, so UNVOTE:

[DrippingGoofball]

let nomnomnom attempt to send out a message, and if someone can confirm them

So they can claim being roleblocked again, or have their buddy pretend they got confirmation?

[DrippingGoofball]

I don’t see why it checked Nom. Cop checks are generally done on null reads.

I made my decision based on the wagon. Nom's post was awful, and though nom hammered, at the time I believed it was at the penultimate vote. You can't criticize this decision since I did get a guilty.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies.

Commonly? I did that once that I remember, in Yellowstone, where I fakeclaimed 1-shot cop. You think I'd do exactly the same gambit? You'd think I'd be a little bit more creative about it.

[DrippingGoofball]

It looks like the Miller claim is probably true. If nom wasn't lying about being blocked, I don't think he'd lie about being a Miller. And I still think dgb is town.

The miller wasn't claimed on Day 1, and no good reason was offered for the delay other than getting caught.

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nomnomnom

[T3]

VOTE: nomnomnom
Fair.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well, that's hammer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Wait, nvm. Galron and WhemeStar voted elsewhere.

[MathBlade]

DGB commonly claims guilties on buddies.

Commonly? I did that once that I remember, in Yellowstone, where I fakeclaimed 1-shot cop. You think I'd do exactly the same gambit? You'd think I'd be a little bit more creative about it.

Is this the literal twilight zone?
I’ve provided two examples. One in Yellowstone and one where you were scum with Muffin and Muffin makes it all the way to end game.

Two I have an extremely hard time believing the mod would put in a cop, a “modified role PM” role cop AND someone informed about “modified role PM cop”. (More on this later) This depending upon what “modified role PM” means could be that people would be looking at two innocents/guilties in a 13 P game. Combined with follow the cop on a doc flip is sus as fuck.

Three why are you not answering the questions I asked. I asked why nomnom and what your reads are and I get nothing. This is in stark contrast to Warehouse 13. When you town tell I can and will go to the ends of the earth for you so why won’t you just town tell for me?