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Yeah, because you're focused on why her asking "Because...?" to Dwlee was weird and scummy because it's not ideal play

In post 363, Datisi wrote:i'm not saying the read is wrong...

i'm saying from town!dwlee's pov, they have nothing to respond to wrt to "why your push on them is bad" (because there is absolutely nothing there), therefore scum!dwlee doesn't have to react any way differently, therefore town!skitter doesn't gain anything from asking that question, therefore why does town!skitter ask it in the first place??

I'm sick of mafia for the day. See you all tomorrow.

I realize there is more to the interactions and play, this is one point that stuck out to me and we've had multiple followups about.

In post 647, Prism wrote:Call it gut but I really don't think VP Baltar is scum

Fwiw i am probably getting over this read

In post 642, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 152, Aristeia wrote:right now I think the scum team is exactly skitter/prism

Can you tell me what you were scum reading from skitter at this point?

Her thoughts felt more like someone who wanted to bury the Ari v Prism fight rather than curious about the mech implications which makes sense to me if she is partnered with Prism. If she's mafia and prism is town, I would expect her to play more into the fight because she knows such a 1v1 can consume a lot of thread bandwidth and potentially 2 mislims back to back for her.

Overall I just felt she jumped to a conclusion faster than made sense for town!her to be.

In post 650, Prism wrote:Yeah, because you're focused on why her asking "Because...?" to Dwlee was weird and scummy because it's not ideal play

In post 363, Datisi wrote:i'm not saying the read is wrong...

i'm saying from town!dwlee's pov, they have nothing to respond to wrt to "why your push on them is bad" (because there is absolutely nothing there), therefore scum!dwlee doesn't have to react any way differently, therefore town!skitter doesn't gain anything from asking that question, therefore why does town!skitter ask it in the first place??

I'm sick of mafia for the day. See you all tomorrow.

This seems like a pedantic argument. Anytime we are getting to using single words in quotes, we have probably skewed too far from a good faith interpretation of what's being said.

In post 615, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 96, Aristeia wrote:I think I should just claim this.

I am a town novice mailman

and I can't think of any utility for my role except for catching a scum ascetic

and Prism claimed Ascetic.

Someone help me

Can I get your follow up thoughts on your claim and Prism's role now that we have discussed it more?

I'm also thinking more about the gated nature of your mailman claim, and thinking maybe that does fit with a town ascetic? Like, town ascetic claims D1, and town needs to decide to yeet them or not. Mailman then has a decision: Do I out D1, or try to keep quiet and test if this person is ascetic tonight by my action failing.

It seems kind of pointless, but maybe that distraction plays with other PRs or something?

Are you still as convinced as you were that mechanically Prism's role doesn't fit with yours as town?

Maybe you're working on this already, but you kind of gave your thoughts on the middle bit here Ari. Can I get your thought on the bolded questions though? These are probably more important.

In post 654, VP Baltar wrote:This seems like a pedantic argument. Anytime we are getting to using single words in quotes, we have probably skewed too far from a good faith interpretation of what's being said.

The quoted 363 was literally a critique of this post and the vote from skitter a page later:

In post 67, skitter30 wrote:Because ... ?

All I'm saying is I didn't like 363 from Datisi.

In post 654, VP Baltar wrote:This seems like a pedantic argument. Anytime we are getting to using single words in quotes, we have probably skewed too far from a good faith interpretation of what's being said.

that sounds like something that sounds nice but doesn't really apply to the current situation

like i don't think the fact that there is one word in quotes there has anything to do with the point being debated

I am very confident 653 is wrong and I'm about to just coinflip vote skitter and tell Aristeia to fuck off if she flips scum.

In post 655, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 615, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 96, Aristeia wrote:I think I should just claim this.

I am a town novice mailman

and I can't think of any utility for my role except for catching a scum ascetic

and Prism claimed Ascetic.

Someone help me

Can I get your follow up thoughts on your claim and Prism's role now that we have discussed it more?

I'm also thinking more about the gated nature of your mailman claim, and thinking maybe that does fit with a town ascetic? Like, town ascetic claims D1, and town needs to decide to yeet them or not. Mailman then has a decision: Do I out D1, or try to keep quiet and test if this person is ascetic tonight by my action failing.

It seems kind of pointless, but maybe that distraction plays with other PRs or something?

Are you still as convinced as you were that mechanically Prism's role doesn't fit with yours as town?

Maybe you're working on this already, but you kind of gave your thoughts on the middle bit here Ari. Can I get your thought on the bolded questions though? These are probably more important.

I remain skeptical that her role can be town but I am giving her space to catch mafia because Prism is a very good player and tends to catch bad people and get fearkilled.

VOTE: skitter Sorry I know you're on V/LA, not just to spite Aristeia.

T->S

Aristeia, Baltar, Enchant, Dwlee, fireisred, Ceph, Datisi, skitter

Enchant to Ceph is the great land of null

Wild that you can say that with a straight face after last night.

Prism are u primarily voting me cuz of the you/ari thing?
VOTE: dats

In post 656, Prism wrote:

In post 654, VP Baltar wrote:This seems like a pedantic argument. Anytime we are getting to using single words in quotes, we have probably skewed too far from a good faith interpretation of what's being said.

The quoted 363 was literally a critique of this post and the vote from skitter a page later:

In post 67, skitter30 wrote:Because ... ?

All I'm saying is I didn't like 363 from Datisi.

yes, it is a single word post, fair enough.

I guess what I mean is that datisi is attacking skitter's putting the responsibility back on dwlee there. You're saying datisi is focusing on too little of things by picking out the "because" post in their catch up. So it kind of becomes this fight over the meaning of the "because" post. I can see what you're both saying and I don't know if I feel like it's productive beyond what's already been stated. That's where i'm coming from.

I would also like to note that i am still somewhat sus of dwlee

In post 657, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 654, VP Baltar wrote:This seems like a pedantic argument. Anytime we are getting to using single words in quotes, we have probably skewed too far from a good faith interpretation of what's being said.

that sounds like something that sounds nice but doesn't really apply to the current situation

like i don't think the fact that there is one word in quotes there has anything to do with the point being debated

what is the point of this post?

yes, if it's tvt, and i very much think it is now, i think you stay way the hell away from it beyond basic middlemanning and just let my inertia carry it

hated push on baltar from basically minute 1

And upon reflection, i'm less confident in town-ari than i was ro begin with

Pedit i actually think i would egg it on as tvt as scum. Like pick a side and just make it a bigger thing
Kinda weird how you and ari are coming to opposite conclusions about what i would do but still both scumread me

And where do u go when i flip town, prism?

ari: i think if prism is town then skitter is also town because she tried to play down Ari v P and pushed for it being TvT.

prism: vote skitter it is then


(:

In post 667, skitter30 wrote:And upon reflection, i'm less confident in town-ari than i was ro begin with

Pedit i actually think i would egg it on as tvt as scum. Like pick a side and just make it a bigger thing
Kinda weird how you and ari are coming to opposite conclusions about what i would do but still both scumread me

i do not scumread you

probably to the liquor store

on a more serious note it depends on what reads i pull out of my ass after staring at the thread for two days

i said i want to go to you Prism flipped scum first

that is not the same thing as scumreading you.

If we're heading down this road, i want to have this discussion before i flip

@prism

Pedit fair enuf

i just had a thought about how evil this would be if me/prism was actually S/S and we yeeted skitter d1 on this weird convoluted back and forth.