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In post 432, Cephrir wrote:if i had to vote right now it would be for datisi but i don't have to vote

why did this post exist and how did your thoughts evolve since then?

In post 649, Datisi wrote:what made you re-evaluate, then? the whole 444 still feels to be talking negatively about ali

I slept on it, nothing much more than that.

I had gone to bed believing Bell had most likely slipped that he hadn't had sight of the starclan wincon in the starclan role pm prior to the posting of the sample, and thus could not be town - and that Alisea had outing themselves as scum, and it just wasn't as obvious to everyone else because a) they hadn't correctly read me as town yet and maybe harboured suspicions about my own motives and b) not everyone saw how it went down in windclan - and thus my task for the next 9 days was to convince everyone else to boot Alisea, flip scum, thus trust me enough to maybe sheep me on to Bell and that was 2 scum done for, ez game.

I had dismissed Mistyx's point about the scum getting fakeclaims in #175 as being not obvious at all, but my cooler head realised I was predisposed to distrust Mistyx because she had rude to me earlier, not because she was actually sus, and if I put that aside and forget who said it - the point, regardless of how likely or not scum getting fakeclaims is, the existence of them does blow my theory regarding bell out the water.

Having realised my emotions had affected the strength of my read on Bell, I looked at Alisae again and realised I still thought them scummy but not the lockscum I thought the night before; and my 294 was pretty cringe in retrospect.

You are correct that 444 is still negative on Ali - it's a matter of degree rather than having changed my mind, and it's an attempt to explain my less-strong but still scumleaning read there in a calmer manner as well as explain why I thought the votes going Norwee's direction were misguided.

ok i did some isoing i have Reads

{fire, mastina, bear} - town
{alisae} - like, somewhere in the middle of these two
{bell, charloux, misty, s_s, catboi, dann} - townlean
{shidaji} - a hair above null

{shiro} - true null
{cephrir, frozen angel, norwee, titus, val} - ??? null

{marashu} - scumlean
{kittytacky, penguinpower} - scum

some notable notes on people:

- alisae is townie to me because their overall play kind of lacks order. what i mean is, i don't get the malicious vibe from them protecting me or norwee, it just feels like something they actually believe in. the instant reaction to val does kind of feel off, but also it's something i can understand and something that doesn't exactly win them that many points. it also doesn't feel like they're pushing a scum agenda. or like, if they *were* pushing a scum agenda, it would look different than this.

- catboi i put into null in my draft, but i decided to bump him up into townlean. other than "good scum so can't read" being an annoying as fuck read - i actually found that i'm agreeing with a bunch of his takes, or like find them reasonable enough to sheep? and it's like, sure it's possible he is scum and the townies are acting weird enough that he can capitalize on it, but goddamn last game we played i got that feeling when seeing his reads and i was RIGHT so fuck it into townlean

- charloux i don't actually like how is iso is focused moreso on mech than on developing reads. but, scum has to be really careful i think not to say something fucky with mechanics, at least this early on. so if he's doing this as scum, he's prob good scum. so i don't think he'd exactly have trouble fabricating reads. and i don't think this kind of playstyle / strategy is very intuitive for scum anyway so like ye can be townlean for now

- most in the "??? null" are people i wanna see more from, with the exception of norwee who i just like. can't read if he doesn't post stuff in the main thread. and he said he won't. so fuck me i guess.

- bell is actually kinda weak read but i think the thoughts on me were nuanced Enough that i'm fine leaving him in townlean for now, and something something polarized meta i'm not gonna worry about it rn

- marashu like. i'm sheeping catboi here, sue me, but i vibe with the idea that the fixation on me/bell is fake. i'm fine... leaving this for now and seeing what he does today and how he answers suspicion, but yeah uh not a fan

- did anyone notice that penguinpower is lowkey absent? like, he's doing the things of jumping on wagons and outing reads here and there, but none of it feels... like he actually cares? i know he's not a bit time d1 player, but this still feels much less activity and curiosity from him than what i'm used to.

pedit: and seeing val's response is kinda like... i guess i do wanna townlean val for the time being? i dunno, i can actually vibe with the idea of calming down on a read, and the comparisons between this thread and clan chat do vibe genuine (though someone from that chat, correct me if i'm wrong on that).

ok i think that's all, feel free to ask me if you still have q's about any of my reads... i'll probably try to wind down the number of posts i'm putting out though, i don't think i'll be running out, but just in case.

In post 444, Val89 wrote:I understand if you aren't privy to that clan chat, it's difficult to make an assessment on the issue - but I am reasonably confident is saying that I don't see Alisea and Norwee being scum together

I've re-read in light of Mastina's theory, and I stand by this. I don't see it as scum-scum.

Full disclosure; as I said in 444, my impression was that there was clearly going on between the two, and my initial impression was that Norwee looked slightly sus from the interactions - not enough to say anything, particularly as I've read Norwee incorrectly in the past, and that one of the things that had felt off to me was a reply to Alisae asking if he had anything to work with - paraphrasing - 'just that people hated him', at time I don't recall them catching much flack in main thread, which felt a little manipulative but I didn't want to fuel that if it was genuine (which I guess is why it felt manipulative, thinking about it) - I also got the impression of an element of evasion.

I was interested, but not overly concerned when Alisae said 'I TR Norwee because windclan' - I recognise that others might have different impressions, but when it was when in response to more detailed questioning on the matter that Alisae said "Yes he is playing the game and I feel like we are on the same page when it comes to the topics we discussed" that I had a 'wait, no?' moment, and asked Norwee about it in Windclan. It looks much much more likely scum!Alisae trying to pocket someone they admit they are familiar with in the confines of a neighbourhood, putting out an underdeveloped TR on Norwee in Main thread in consequence of that, and not expecting to be quizzed on it, and when they were, giving an answer that seems reasonable if you weren't there, and not expecting to be challenged on it if you were - particularly not by the only player that 279 makes clear Alisae is unfamiliar with, and has a pretty low opinion of.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think who has played with me that making "rookie scum mistakes" is something that people associate with my scum-play.

I'm trying to see the whole thing through the lens of it being scum-theatre for the rest of the clans benefit and I don't see it. All this was going on before Shiidaji had revealed themselves as a member, and Shiro had made a single contentless post. I guess it's possible scum are informed about the neighbourhoods in a way I'm not considering, but it seems a scum-pairing would not know their audience at the time they (immediately) launched into that act.

I understand that others can't see the interactions and are relying on a second hand description of them - but to the best of my recollection I don't think I've ever been taken in by scum theatre before, and every time I've decided a pairing aren't scum together, I have been correct on the issue.

@mastina: If your view on this game is predicated on a Norwee-Alisae pairing, I would at least have a think about what it means if they weren't. I'm pretty sure about this one.

In post 644, mastina wrote:{Norwee, Alisae, Something_Smart, Titus, KittyTacky} (default team of five) feels a bit too easy to be the right solve.

This is also an issue for me. I asked for confirmation that 394 was a claim of KittyTacky's membership in Windclan and not a mistake since they still haven't posted there, and was told by Norwee is was the most unnecessary question ever, but if that is confirmed, and KT is scum, that means Windclan is both a 6 player clan and one that is absolutely stuffed with Dark Forest cats.

I understand that is a possibility given the nature of random assignment, but I do wonder if that was the case if they would have chosen to play this the way they did.

No, kitty is in thunder clan.
If anyone is interested they only said one word so far.
Have a few things to note, but need to reread once i get to my laptop so i don't add an idiot tag to my already growing list of bad traits.

In post 506, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 449, Bell wrote:I’m starting to wonder if it’s possible to develop a read on penguin early.

Only if you’re skitter or pooky.

OR SCRRRDBEAR

okay i'm awake and still feel good about the catboi townread so we're not throwing that one out as weird 1 am thoughts

I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

In post 658, Titus wrote:I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

One of my abilities is listed as Apprentice. It is a passive that states I am not allowed to use abilities until I am promoted.

In post 659, Alisae wrote:

In post 658, Titus wrote:I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

One of my abilities is listed as Apprentice. It is a passive that states I am not allowed to use abilities until I am promoted.

i am working under the assumption that most (not necessarily all) non-leaders have this passive

I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

In post 661, Titus wrote:I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

In post 662, Mistyx wrote:

In post 661, Titus wrote:I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

[Flavor] - PROTECTOR of StarClan

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In post 663, Titus wrote:

In post 662, Mistyx wrote:

In post 661, Titus wrote:I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

[Flavor] - PROTECTOR of StarClan

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maybe take another look at the sample role pm

Doesn't help but thanks.

sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

In post 658, Titus wrote:I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE GETTING READS ON DATISI'S SLOT?

In post 652, Datisi wrote:most in the "??? null" are people i wanna see more from, with the exception of norwee who i just like. can't read if he doesn't post stuff in the main thread. and he said he won't. so fuck me i guess.

WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

In post 666, Mistyx wrote:sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

NAH, YOU SOUND GOOD!

In post 644, mastina wrote:{Charloux, Marashu, Mixtyx, Val89}
(second tier still locktown, just not same certainty--all of them I almost put in the above tier, so the separation between them is very small and nearly nonexistent.)

WHY DID YOU BOTHER TO PUT THIS HERE?

In post 666, Mistyx wrote:sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

In post 667, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

because she hasn't done anything

@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.

In post 670, Datisi wrote:

In post 667, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

because she hasn't done anything

I've done plenty mechanically. :/

i don't care about mechanics

or more precisely, i can't read alignment from mechanical arguments

In post 669, Titus wrote:

In post 666, Mistyx wrote:sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

well it's not just you i was ruder than i should've been to norwee earlier and annoyed val too