I should explain what I mean by auto-win the game.
TPP!scum pushes Dwlee while at L-2 or whatever.
Dwlee flips: OMG DWLEES ROLE HURT SCUM SO BADLY TPP must be town. Oh, and they claimed BP, so the vigilante won't shoot at them, AND it explains why a scum team that has already been denied TWO kills this game wouldn't risk shooting at them, so they live until the end game and win.
TPP flip: Wifom forever, it must have just been OMGUS on dwlee/they wouldn't push their teammate as the mislynch to save themselves RIGHT? So he must be town.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:15 am
by Cerberus v666
I'm 100% okay with lynching flubbernugget.
I'm 10% okay with lynching TPP.
I need to reconcile the previous thought process with what I know of Nacho and Plot.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:18 am
by SirCakez
And Flubber is in the scummy Tictac spot too, I totally forgot. With Podo's recent content I'd prefer a Flubber lynch over him now.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:29 am
by podoboq
There's basically no chance that TPP and Flubber are BOTH anti-town, right? Flubber and TPP are in a neighborhood together? Is a neighborizer sometimes scum, or are those things mutually exclusive from eachother.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:37 am
by SirCakez
Scum neighborizers are most definitely a thing
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:44 am
by podoboq
Hrmmm. I'm still more confident that dram is scum, but I did like our recent back and forth on the SK speculation. Consider me a maybe on flubbernugget. I'll do a little ISO scanning.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:38 am
by The Pied Piper
I thought of non consecutive night vig too, or odd night vig, but if nobody is claims vig then the vig isn't town. Non consecutive night SK would suck for the SK I think; it's hard enough being an SK without limitations like that. Two kills are missing; we don't know what happened to them. It's possible the vig-or-SK forgot to submit an action or was roleblocked (But shotty was roleblocked too) or there is another town protective out there (doubtful i think) or idk setup spec isn't my thing.
Cerb, you claimed informed townie, that you know somebody's flavour is town, but not any of the people who've claimed flavour so far.
There was that weird dwlee/flubber "I'm going to counterclaim you" thing a while back.
The usual way to play a neighbouriser is to neighbourise someone you're townreading and then work together with them. tictac neighbourised me because I ICed a recentish newbie game of his and my reads were better than his in that game. tictac felt towner in the neighbourhood than he did out here, which could be artifact of the neighbourhood (2 person neighbourhoods tend to be more intimate environments), but for example on the 11th of April Nacho asked tictac what all his reads were and tictac was able to write a short paragraph about most people. Like, it was a lot of effort that only one player was ever going to see. Or he spent a little while trying to figure things us out before trusting us. He went and read Cheetory mafia and got paranoid of Amihan.
Spoiler: some talk about neighbourhoods
I just finished modding a blitz game called Fractals at the Fallout Shelter (ms was still down when we started). Anyway, one of the newbies, JaeReed didn't really know how to townpost in the main thread, but they very quickly obvtowned in their neighbourhood QT with BulletNLynchproof and their other neighbourhood QT with Dunnstral and Mariomaniac4. In public, they had trouble taking stances or backing up their opinions and their posts didn't make much sense but in the neighbourhood they were able to relax a bit and look really town. Scum assumed that the strange townreads on them were due to them having a PR, and that was partially true, but the strange townreads came before they claimed in their neighbourhoods. It was just easier in a smaller environment to talk.
I noticed the same thing in Micro 600 with Creature. With all of the newbies, really, but especially with Creature. Creature could not townpost and he was kinda sloppy and prod dodged a lot and couldn't explain his reads and few of his posts made sense. But if you look at the neighbourhood with ircher, you see an entirely different side of Creature. ircher was a mason and Creature was a VT and he had over 150 posts with all sorts of thoughts that he for whatever reason couldn't share in public.
This was also true of our neighbourhood with mhsmith, a mason who was hard to townread from his in thread posting.
I've noticed in the games that i've modded that two person neighbourhoods tend to function like little masonries because people let their guards down (sometimes even when they shouldn't) and that three person neighbourhoods tend to be hot beds of paranoia. I think there's a psychological effect at work in neighbourhoods, and I've definitely used it to my benefit before as scum (for example in Clowntardis with Broseidon). I like to think that being aware of it means I'd notice it if someone was doing it to me because I've been studying neighbourhoods pretty closely in five games I modded and a few I played in but I don't know.
I've sort of been delaying talking about Flubber until fractals was over because nacho was playing in it and also until the game nacho was ICing was over because Creature was playing in it and it's easier for me to talk about tictac's neighbourhood play by comparing it to Jae and Creature.
I'd be happier if Flubber was talking in the neighbourhood, but it seems he barely has time for posting in the public thread. tictac was a better neighbour. cuter, too.
I don't mind summarising the neighbourhood in more detail but I would like to hear Flubber's summary.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:13 am
by Marquis
I still feel like TPP is a very likely SK.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:26 am
by The Pied Piper
We're just town.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:39 am
by itlepip
SK neighborizer? Have they claimed flavor yet?
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:48 am
by The Pied Piper
Tictac claimed it in the neighbourhood, not right away but after talking about reads together. He's the protagonist of his musical. A quick search of his and tictac's ISOs says he hasn't claimed it out here yet. His musical contains the letter Q, for those who are still paranoid that the neighbourhood doesn't exist.
I'm going to bed soon.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:57 am
by podoboq
In post 6510, The Pied Piper wrote:Tictac claimed it in the neighbourhood, not right away but after talking about reads together. He's the protagonist of his musical. A quick search of his and tictac's ISOs says he hasn't claimed it out here yet. His musical contains the letter Q, for those who are still paranoid that the neighbourhood doesn't exist.
I'm going to bed soon.
I believe the neighborhood exists. I think the world in which you're both scum and just lying about the neighborhood basically doesn't exist. That obviously doesn't mean that Flubber is necessarily town, though.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:00 am
by The Pied Piper
Yeah, just Mirhawk recently said something.
In post 6398, Mirhawk wrote:@Flubber
Seriously man do you guys talk in the neighborhood or not. Does it even exist.
They protect a player at night at no cost. They don't die in the place of their target. They just prevent the death.
This isn't how Bodyguard works here....
Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.
You're always around when there's something easy to answer
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:56 pm
by SirCakez
Yep!
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:57 pm
by Flubbernugget
In post 6502, SirCakez wrote:And Flubber is in the scummy Tictac spot too, I totally forgot. With Podo's recent content I'd prefer a Flubber lynch over him now.
Podos "wahhh I'm town" should not be making him look good unless you need a convenient way to town read him
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:58 pm
by SirCakez
No but his consistent engagement and trying to talk to his pushers instead of shutting them out is.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:00 pm
by Flubbernugget
So you're town reading him for the exact reason I said
That reason is still shit
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:05 pm
by SirCakez
That's not at all what you said.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:07 pm
by Flubbernugget
He's engaging people by soliciting points for him to take down one by one
So he's going wahhh I'm town
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:11 pm
by podoboq
In post 6519, Flubbernugget wrote:He's engaging people by soliciting points for him to take down one by one
So he's going wahhh I'm town
That isn't actually what's been happening recently. Like, yeah, when people say that they're scumreading me, I ask them why, but the topic of the town has shifted pretty dramatically away from "podo is scum" and into actually solving the game.
You're either misrepping me here, or you just aren't reading.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:11 pm
by SirCakez
Oh that's what you meant by wahh.
It looks like a townish behaviour to me at least.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:25 pm
by The Pied Piper
Agreed with the general sentiment that the vig needs to claim.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:33 pm
by The Pied Piper
Understand Flubber's point that dram/dwlee probably don't make sense as a team; the reason why I thought that they didn't is because Dwlee basically latched onto the person dramonic was trying to lynch and did exactly the same thing that he was doing and I'm not really sure that dramonic would go for that. I'm not sure what dramonic's self-vote was about but probably won't pay attention to that very closely.