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In post 6510, Red Gyarados wrote:Tammy talk to me about

King scumfuck

nacho

Are you townreading him

I don't know how I'm reading him. I'm very interested to see what he comes in here and does today. He's felt detached in a sort of way that is also engaged. I did like some of his trolling-esque play where he was rhyming and talking about shots. I do like some of Bork's interactions and I like the way he gave the town read to Mastin and how he interacted with and about Mastin. That felt pretty real. I don't know what to feel about how strongly Nacho went after Mastin especially after town reading him. I'm definitely not as familiar with Mastin as Nacho is, and even I was finding some town things in his play that made me uncertain. I'm pretty eh on how he went into yesterday with the kat thing, and I thought that him saying that Kat might have a way to end the game in the night if he got town lynched was concerning, and I'm really surprised these chucklefucks here didn't pick up on that and instead have been piling on me because I thought that him saying that was a partial indication that he was scum and his team had something. Did you notice that des didn't yell at Nacho for that idea? Nope, let's make Tammy look dumb. Also there was something else nacho did that I liked.

Basically it comes down to a wait and see. I want to see what he does today.

I postulated that the entire other neighborhood was scum and that's why they killed pie guy because they didn't want to keep up pretenses in the neighborhood, but then yesterdays debacle with me voting for falcon and him going oh this is what i predicted with nacho immediately telling me I sounded like nacho would require the three of them to be coming up with elaborate plans in the neighborhood, which would require foreknowledge that I was actually going to vote him, which is ennnnnnngggggggg.

So, unless he can read neighborhoods and saw me say that I was concerned about him, though I definitely wasn't certain then IDK. That whole neighborhood probably isn't scum then.

In post 6205, AngryPidgeon wrote:The scumteam is still Panda, Red Gary, PV, {CF/Nacho/Fox}

we don't fit anywhere in there?

I'm on phone but I don't think you/pv are scum together. Feel free to correct me.

OH PIGEY

you're absolutely certain that your one shot went through?

In post 6425, Titan wrote:Well then don't say you would have held off if I'd not been passive about it. I wasn't shy about how I felt about that lynch and the entire situation and didn't want the day to end there.

I gave up worrying because you looked like scum posturing around the wagon there at the end and the only reason I could figure out that you would do that was because you guys had some way to end the game through night actions.

And part of my problem is that you're not actually looking at everything. You're discounting some things because you have a *strong read* which is fine but coming up with new ways that AP is scum without for one second considering the possibility that JSU is scum is a whole metric fuckton of confirmation bias. I, for one, don't see how you can be so sure. I have postulated that you are so sure because you guys are partnered because it's really the only reason why you've been going on about AP but not really pushing him and then using the Mastin scum read AP so he's scum scum scum! When Mastin isn't all that great at reading AP; I mean in Anything Goes he was 100% certain AP was scum when he was town telling like crazy. The day two suggestion that it should be AP instead of Mastin after you declared that Pieguy was the only person you trusted to lead the town and Pieguy was tunneling on Mastin. Why did you all of a sudden decide to suggest the day should go away from where the leader was saying to go? In some instances you look like you're trying to tie your partner AP to people in a weird manner.

But you going yeah there are too many investigative roles, have a town read here and here, so this has to be the scum one doesn't really make sense to me. I can see leaning one way, but completely discounting everything else? It's just eh.

Regaeding the town leaded thing: you mentioned this several times now. When I said that Pie was the only person I trusted to lead the town, I was taking to Mastin. Mastin made a huge deal about how he has resurfaced from a bad game and has grown into a town leader. He talked extensively about how he would lead the town, how he would reach out to people, and how he was doing "leader-centric" reachouts and pretty much referring to himself as the town leader of the game. I responded to him by saying that I trust the guy tunneling him much more than I trusted him. It wasn't meant to take a dig at anyone else in the game nor was I trying to undermine any other player. I had a strong scum-read on Mastin and Pie was the only one who was really understanding (at that time) where I was coming from, defending my points against Mastin and speaking in a way that I could understand. His read never wavered and I could follow what he was doing at every point. It's why I trusted him. He was viewing the gamestate almost exactly as I was. Just like you trusted Ffery who waffled and waffled on Mastin, I trusted Pie who had a similar strong scumread on Mastin and was thinking about things exactly the way I was. I never meant to say that anyone else is unqualified to lead the town. If it means anything, the only person I trust to lead the town right now is you and I am dead serious about it because you are the only person keeping a cool head throughout this shitshow of a game. I should have trusted you earlier and you ended up being more right than I was but that's just the way the game went. I can't change the past but I can put more effort into seeing your side from now on.

You are talking about me confbiasing AP when AP has been confbiasing me since he entered the game. It is pretty obvious I am town here if you rethink everything I've done in this game. Day 1, I cc'd RBD when he fake-claimed miller. You know that my scumgame isn't at a level where I would do such a gambit. I don't care if people who don't know my playstyle think that I gambited but you know it is impossible coming from me. There's also not a chance I'd leave you alive over Pie who was townreading the absolute crap out of me because you are a massive threat to me as scum. I've played with you enough and read enough of your games that I know that if you truly want someone dead, it is highly unlikely that you'd be unable to drive the lynch through. There's no way, I'd let someone like that live on, least of all when they are very closely familiar with my game. Third, look at my activity level. I really shouldn't be posting in this game when I've been so busy - and yet I am. I've been trying really hard to figure this game out even amongst the chaos and the noise. Even, look at the tone of my posts for over 500 posts - walls and all. Look at my interactions with other players, with you etc. It is also really obvious that I genuinely believed in my suspicions of Mastin and Rancid wrong though they may be.

You are paranoid of me for a very similar thing that I was paranoid of you about. I found your hammer on Mastin worthy of questioning. You started today in a similar way to what I started D3 - by asking me about my end of day play and getting paranoid about it. I get it. I had the same feeling when you hammered Mastin. I should have known better that there is not a chance in hell this is your scum play. And you know as well that there is no chance I am scum here if you just look at everything that I've posted in this game.

why are we not scum with PV?

Because it's not a convenient wagon to push

In post 6529, magenta_thegreat wrote:OH PIGEY

you're absolutely certain that your one shot went through?

Hi mara! I don't know? I can ask if I still have it in a bit.

Pedit: mm I thought pv was defending scum buddy panda by pushing a ML on you. Need to rethink

In post 6430, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 6185, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 6173, CarbonFiber wrote:I find it odd that there are basically two claimed cops.

My role PM confirms that there is more than one cop

F16, I dont think you ever responded to this when Deps and I brought t up.

What are you thinking here?

Please read my ISO. I talked about this twice. I could explain it a third time but I just don't feel like it.

In post 6509, Titan wrote:OHMYGODS she's such obvious scum because she got paranoid and thought the game could end.

What desp is gunning at is that it's bizarre that you would have thought that at all, so it seems like you're scum lying about being paranoid about something rather than being actually paranoid about something.

In post 6449, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6444, Titan wrote:

In post 6441, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6439, Titan wrote:i didn't even know it was 7v4 until Penguin said it was impossible. I still think it would be possible and part of that I'm not going to explain.

how did you not know it was 7v4

are you asking me why I don't run around keeping a tally of who is alive or isn't?

are you seriously asking me whether i expect you to know how many people are alive at any given time?!?!

Is this a question just to make fun of how little I pay attention to these things or is this relevant to my alignment in any way.

i'd say it's pretty relevant because your paranoia

doesn't make any fucking sense

and "i have no idea what the current state of the game is" is a pretty shitty reason to call yourself town

I mean because if you're going to argue me being paranoid the scum team has something up their sleeves and used yesterday to propel it is anything other than me freaking out as town that the game was over then I have no clue what world you live in. and since that should be the only conclusion you can come to then this line of questioning is just serving for you to appear arrogant and call me dumb which I don't think is very relevant to the game state.

your paranoia doesn't seem genuine because it doesn't make any fucking sense.

Look, a part of my annoyance with the game is that while I think you are town, you are not seeing the obvious with respect to Tammy. I know she is paranoid. Paranoia by definition is somewhat illogical. The point is that she is really, really obviously trying to figure the game out. I followed Too Many Heads. Her play here is at all like her play there. Every single post she made here, she is obviously frustrated and trying to solve the game. She doesn't have any reads and that bothers her. Scum don't get bothered by not having reads. Scum don't wallow in paranoia trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense. It would actually be pretty easy to pretend to have reads and the immense amount of frustration with this game only makes sense from town.

What do you think of the other players. Talk to me about Nacho.

In post 2975, Yulia Jue wrote:Votecount 1-31

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV

(2):

AngryPidgeon

,

Mac
MastinSSK

(1):

CupcakePanda

Just Sheep Us

(5): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados,

Breakfast With Stalin

,

Rancid Broderick Drake, MastinSSK

, Kagura

AngryPidgeon

(1):

Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake

(6):

CarbonFiber

,

Just Sheep Us

,

PeregrineV

, The Fox and the Hound,

Yggdra Union

, Clyton
Not Voting (1): Titan

Blue is probably town claims (Vig+Miller)
Purple is confirmed to me/desp via our role

lol

Tammy, if you're town, I expect you to do a metric shitton with that VC.

And now we see what they're trying to get at

Piss tammy off, call her stupid or not town, then give her a way to prove herself to be town to further your agenda

yawn

Where'd you guys formulate that plan?

Was it from Nacho?

Sounds like something he'd concoct

In post 6535, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6509, Titan wrote:OHMYGODS she's such obvious scum because she got paranoid and thought the game could end.

What desp is gunning at is that it's bizarre that you would have thought that at all, so it seems like you're scum lying about being paranoid about something rather than being actually paranoid about something.

What purpose would that serve?

Why didn't you, when Nacho pointed out that Kats could be fake claiming that he might have a way to end the game that night, jump at him? Was it because THAT fit the narrative for the way you wanted the game to go while my obvious genuine paranoia doesn't?

It makes no literal sense for anyone who's ever played a game or two with me to go oh but 7:4 the numbers the numbers, how doesn't this make sense to you. I've literally fucked it up when people did point out numbers and thought 11:4 meant with two mislynches scum would win. I get paranoid I don't know how or why that's shocking to anyone with experience with me. Hell in ASoIaF, I thought the game was ending days before it should have because I thought all the missing nightkills was evidence that scum could recruit people to mafia or kill people and they'd been recruiting people every night and had a huge mafia team. I'm not worried about that here, but I did think with the way yesterday went down it was evidence that scum had something up their sleeves and could end the game with night actions.

I just don't believe he made that big a fuss, not when he hydras with someone who probably is more paranoid that I am.

So, save it. Tell me what purpose did it serve for me to get worked up last night that scum could end the game and spend the night expecting it to happen. You tell me that.

In post 6540, Just Sheep Us wrote:Tammy, if you're town, I expect you to do a metric shitton with that VC.

No, you do shit with that VC.

I don't do VCA except if I'm in LyLo deciding who to vote for.

You really are trying to eat all the times you bragged about being good at this game and people should sheep you aren't?

Why are you "ordering" me to do something I don't fucking do.

VOTE: just sheep us

SMUG.

I'm going to be so fucking smug.

In post 6541, Red Gyarados wrote:then give her a way to prove herself to be town to further your agenda

Thats why

VOTE: JSU

btw

This was an OMGUS and sheeple vote

Just wanted to get that out there because otherwise scum would just have 1 weak reason to call me scum and now they have 2 !

Dat JSU wagon..