A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[The Pied Piper]

People have said it. I agree with it. Do you?

[The Pied Piper]

Mirhawk getting another wig thing after FS was dead was something that bothered me while I was cleaning today; I'd like to get that resolved if possible unless it's something that I've hallucinated (which is entirely possible since this game has been a long, long slog).

I'll continue my reads in short bursts starting tomorrow; I opened podo's ISO today but holy shit this game has been going on for a while and not in the mood to tackle it yet.

[SirCakez]

I do not because then scum can rb the vig then if they have a rber?

[podoboq]

Mirhawk getting another wig thing after FS was dead was something that bothered me while I was cleaning today; I'd like to get that resolved if possible

At this point, I'm so far away from solving that weirdness that I've just resigned myself to assuming it's a fluke. Like, FS accidentally targeted Mirhawk again.

[dramonic]

Agreed with the general sentiment that the vig needs to claim.

????
How is this a sentiment?

I do not because then scum can rb the vig then if they have a rber?

[Cerberus v666]

It's a valid point dram. I'm not sure we live in a scum RB world (has anyone else reported being roleblocked??), but if we do, it's a reasonable concern.

Plus, as I said before, the chances of scum shooting the vig and saving town the mislynch go down to zero if they claim while there's a general thread sentiment that they must be lynched for safety.

[pistachi0n]

I still feel like TPP is a very likely SK.

Why's that? Why TPP as SK?

[dramonic]

The point is that we don't want an SK to win, and we don't want to be stuck in WIFOM land in lategame. vig not shooting or getting roleblocked is NOT A BAD THING.

[The Pied Piper]

it'd be optimal to leave the vig alone for one more day if it is a vig
i wouldn't want that to be the case if it's an SK

[dramonic]

If the vig wanted to be left alone he shoulda shot properly on N1 and N2.

[Malakittens]

there wasn't a kill N2; he did shoot correctly N3 though

SO IDK it could be just a bad vig shot N1

[Cerberus v666]

No universe exists in which killing a hated lurksack mislynch bait player is a bad shot.

[Cerberus v666]

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

[Mirhawk]

Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.

That's a joke right?

Why on earth would he protect you?

Marquis, Mala, and Pistachion are the best choices. He shouldn't say exactly which he's picking either.

[Cerberus v666]

...

Shotty is the flavor cop.

Neither cakez or mala have claimed their musical.

[Mirhawk]

I don't think we were a likely vig target on Day 2 because of the role we played in Skybird's lynch. People didn't start getting annoyed with us until Day 3. I think Flubber was a likelier vig target; he was very widely scumread at that point. As for whether an SK would find us threatening, it would depend on who the SK was and what our read on their slot was at the time.

Dram, Mala, and Cakes are the only people who haven't claimed. Dram and Cakes have both claimed not vig. If Mala also claims not vig, then the vig is an SK who has been trying to look like a vig. I am not sure I'd believe another protective role in this setup, but I am not the head that is good at setup spec.

I also haven't claimed.

In addition(and I mentioned this forever ago, like, back on D2 when the no kill night happened), non-consecutive and limited shots are common vigilante variants. I've also seem similarly restricted SK's(although generally in games more complex than this one, with a higher power level on the SK overall).

The lack of kills could easily mean less than everyone is believing it means.

For the record, I'm currently inclined to believe there is a jailkeeper in the game, and one of the bulletproof claims is scum. It seems the most probable explanation for shotty receiving a no result two nights in a row, one of which occurred on the same night no kills happened. Feels extremely probable a town jailkeeper protected shotty, denying him his investigation, and protecting him from the kill. BP scum also fits in with my expectation that there is a vigilante rather than a SK in this game, AND spec wise, jailkeeper+BG meshes nicely because the two don't actually interact in any sort of positive reinforcing fashion. If the jailkeeper protects the BG, it results in no protection, unlikely if a doctor protects the bodyguard, where it protects everyone.

So, TPP or Flubber are scum.

Damnit dram, you may have been right. :-/

Well the only way that Flubber can be lying about the Neiborizer is for them to both be scum (which while possible, doesn't feel that likely). That means that he is almost certainly telling the truth about his role.

Of the two I suspect Piper a great deal more.

Jailkeeper is plausible unfortunately.

[Mirhawk]

I'm not interested in lynching Flubber today. He potentially has a useful investigation left, there are other people we could lynch instead to give him a chance to use it.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, I don't believe flubber is lying about his role. He's just a scum JOAT, if he's scum. *shrug*

[Mirhawk]

Mirhawk getting another wig thing after FS was dead was something that bothered me while I was cleaning today; I'd like to get that resolved if possible unless it's something that I've hallucinated (which is entirely possible since this game has been a long, long slog).

I'll continue my reads in short bursts starting tomorrow; I opened podo's ISO today but holy shit this game has been going on for a while and not in the mood to tackle it yet.

It baffles me honestly.

At first I thought it was some sort of duplicator that picks someone and gains their ability. But why the hell would you waste that on Seniors, he claimed FV on day one.

Then I was thinking it must be some kind of ability that re-triggers things I was targeted by previously, except there's no reason at all to even target me with that seeing as how the only thing I had been targeted with was the damn fruit vendor in the first place.

The last thing was that there was another fruit vendor. But even that doesn't make sense as why would they only use their ability ONCE in three nights?

I'm missing something, I just don't know what.

[Mirhawk]

Quite possible. I'm just thinking that with the reduced number of players in the game he would have a good chance of catching the NK with a watcher shot. I mean the list of people who scum pretty much have to shoot is only like three people.

Another thing that just occurred to me is that he might also be a one shot fruit vendor as well.

[Mirhawk]

At this point, I'm so far away from solving that weirdness that I've just resigned myself to assuming it's a fluke. Like, FS accidentally targeted Mirhawk again.

Seniors was dead at this point.

[Mirhawk]

No universe exists in which killing a hated lurksack mislynch bait player is a bad shot.

+1

[The Pied Piper]

If we were an SK who killed Axel, we would have claimed vig. The only reason to make kills like that as an SK is to set up for a vig claim. Additionally, Axel wasn't someone we were focusing on at the time; it would've made more sense for us to shoot dwlee (because we were scumreading him and even if he had been town he was on Snarky's level with only having one read and only pushing that one read).


I thought that if I were wrong about Cakes being the vig, then there was a chance that podoboq could be the vig, but he has claimed VT. Dram has explicitly claimed not vig. The only person who has not claimed is Mala. If she's the vig then she's definitely not the SK because Marquis' results are in "innocent/guilty" form not "mafia/not mafia" form.


Cerb - informed townie

Dramonic

- not vig, hasn't claimed his role.
shotty - flavour cop
Flubber - JOAT
itlepip - bodyguard

Malakittens

- unclaimed, conftown via Marquis
Marquis - 2-shot cop innos on Mala and davesaz
Mirhawk - VT
pistachi0n - miller innocent child
podoboq - VT

Cakes

- not the vig, hasn't claimed his role
Piper - x-shot bulletproof

bolded the people who haven't claimed.


I think that if the vig is an SK then it's cakes or podoboq or cerb I guess since he keeps saying he hasn't claimed his full role and that would explain him not sticking his neck out very far this game.

I collected these posts in my hydra PT a week ago:

2662 - podoboq feeling guilty for shooting town snarky
2844 - podoboq defending the decision to shoot snarky
4312 - podoboq saying that he knows who the vig is and that it's not cakes made me think he was trying to signal that it was him without outright claiming
5176 - podoboq burden of profficiencying us on crumbhunting the vig in particular and not on any of our other crumbhunting or our reads or anything else really. it stood out.
5181 - podoboq not wanting to reveal who the vig was in spite of pushing for a massclaim earlier and pushing us to reveal our own mixture of PR info and crumbhunting.
5282 - there's an old jeep tell that the person who congratulates the doctor after a no kill is either the doctor himself or is scum. This feels like that except in vig format with podoboq congratulating the vig after shooting axel.

But since then, with posts like 6387 which would be kinda weird if it were podoboq.

I'm suddenly remembering Klingoncelt's role in Soccer Spirits but Rob13 isn't dramonic. She was a 3rd party that had a cop ability, and also had a separate cop-vig ability: If the person was town, they died, if they were scum she doc protected them.

pedit: yeah the wig thing is weird.

[Mirhawk]

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

I am not adverse to this, but I think it would be simpler for the vig to rub out Flubber right off if Piper flipped town. He may or may not be bulletproof though so eh.

Also, who would the vig shoot if Piper flipped scum? Podo?

[Mirhawk]

Cerb - informed townie

Man I had totally forgotten about that.

I'm assuming the flavor in question hasn't been claimed yet seeing as how he's still flavor hunting.