Accusing me of misrep saying adoranoraa is a scum thing when I'm saying that's a damn impressive bus if that is the case - meaning - I don't consider that a case. Also the jump and bolded adorable is town comment despite my null read on the slot currently. Seemed to completely ignore my read of UNOwen, with absolutely zero comment on that, despite it being evident she had read it.
This could be worthy of town points if shelly was ever a target at this point, but she wasn't so it could easily be distancing.
In post 2418, shellyc wrote:eh I'm not bothered because I've already scumcased there and posting a "+1" isn't going to make any difference
yeah and I also have a townlean for seeing what I'm seeing regarding flea, considering I think newbscum dislike bussing in general from my experiences in the newbie queue
This really feels like Shelly trying to buddy to get the SR on her dropped, so I'm less confident about the interaction there now.
Pressure here is good I think, UNOwen is my other option currently.
Good vote though.
In post 4635, Flea The Magician wrote:I present you with: some of my reads. composed while I'm space braining on my new meds
Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.
Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.
UNOwen - scum. Previous post details this somewhere.
Mush - Town - seems proactive
Lady - Town - want to see more from her, and hope she's well soon <3
Shelly - TL, slot doesn't sit well with me on interactions still but the response to the hurt seemed genuine to me.
MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.
Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.
Lapsa - SL, What the smeg even is this slot.
Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.
Fred - scum. Zden was lean, freds entrance was... well I had to triple check when they came in because it's like they were always here, and its 3 straight in at taylor.
Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them
There's things that I really don't like here, including a null on me, a TR on shelly, a scum lean on Noraa, and an UNO SR. But the read on Fred is still good, never wavered like shelly did.
In post 4919, shellyc wrote:
if Fred was really town I’d say fidget/Taylor/uno/noraa/flea the magician is the solve.
Including Flea here is also interesting. 4953 is a real push too it seems.
In post 5070, shellyc wrote:Bell: conflicted on shelly
also Bell: shellyc is scum
bell what do you think about the flea slot? can you read the iso and tell me what you think
I feel like these associations are pointing towards flea town now
Shelly isn't on the way out here, I don't think she busses flea like this when no one else is really pressuring the slot.
In post 5540, Flea The Magician wrote:I like when my gut is right. I should listen to it more...
still curious what info you were wanting from me Noraa. *shrugs*
Amma re-read shelly and fidget.
My gut doesn't like them.
And I'm still convinced VOTE: UNOwen is a good move.
This is why I've been thinking about flea being scum but the associations otherwise are probably +town for flea.
In post 5819, Gloria Cleary wrote:
It would be really interesting if all of these pairings were just wifom on Fred‘s part. I think that all of the evidence either suggests either Shelley > Fidget > Flea if she’s scum or Fidget > Flea if she’s town.
Want to elaborate on how I'm connected in here plz?
While I'm here, VOTE: ShellyC which clears teh way for the Noraammer.
This is weird though considering Flea is TRing shelly. Maybe I am underestimating Flea's scum game. I think this slot goes at some point, but also not the shot for today.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:19 am
by MURDERCAT
More later
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:19 am
by UNOwen
@Titus
I can assume that you missed the distinction between "active obvtown" and "active town" for the second point. Third and Fourth, I guess if you haven't been suspecting shelly and so following her posts too closely you probably would not have the same impression as I did. But:
In post 5541, UNOwen wrote:
-Her belief that I am scum is totally insincere (4302). She actually cases me at one point (4989 + 4991) and it was really weak and I can't imagine shelly is actually 80% convinced I am scum based on that.
In post 5547, Titus wrote:
1) Almost no one thinks a case against them is strong.
Did you read the posts I linked?
If so, did you disagree with the conclusions I made about them + why?
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:23 am
by UNOwen
In post 6513, UNOwen wrote:
I want to spend some time reviewing a couple of slots this evening before I respond to MUSH, but Taylor/Fidget/Flea are all likely to end up as town leans I think.
Also this should be restated. All of Taylor/Fidget/Flea are likely to end up as town/town lean.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 am
by Gloria Cleary
In post 2111, shellyc wrote:flea why are you ignoring all the AI content/interactions in uno's ISO except the noraa parts
Because I clearly already did what Mush asked me to do and you’re hyperfocusing on it because it doesn’t meet your standards or whatever? My “homework” isn’t going to help us find who’s scum here, which is why it’s a derail. A lot of players here were in both games so, I have a theory I’m trying to test.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:41 am
by Flea The Magician
First I charge at nora, second I hyper focus with "That was it? o.o"
In post 6513, UNOwen wrote:
I want to spend some time reviewing a couple of slots this evening before I respond to MUSH, but Taylor/Fidget/Flea are all likely to end up as town leans I think.
Also this should be restated. All of Taylor/Fidget/Flea are likely to end up as town/town lean.
Based off of Shelley interactions? Is your theory that scum!Shelley never distances then? None of these are in my strong trs but I probably feel the best about Tayl0r.
You, similar to Noraa are obvious.
Actually, I think I just remembered something that Pooky was wrongly sr Tayl0r for. It was when he accused her of not wanting the scroll to save Noraa. Well, that’s actually town indicative now, because why would scum!Taylor care about saving town!Noraa.
I’m trying to figure out stuff and if my “homework” doesn’t meet yours or anyone else’s standards then oh well. I’m not great at explaining my reads in general, I just follow my tangents at the time they’re occuring and run with them.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:50 am
by Noraa
Holy fuck how much did I miss while I was peacefully sleeping?
I’m trying to figure out stuff and if my “homework” doesn’t meet yours or anyone else’s standards then oh well. I’m not great at explaining my reads in general, I just follow my tangents at the time they’re occuring and run with them.
Nah you do you, I ain't judging. I just genuinely expected a bigger list. My standards are irrelevant because 1) I am the second lurkiest player here 2) I am the lowest info player here 3) wasn't me who asked for it.
Running off with tangents as they occur is a mood though ^_^
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:11 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
I caught up and I have my first two favorites. I need two more to really feel safe, and then I need to order them and sanity-check the remaining town.
Fidget and Pooky /still/ owe me homework. The horror. (Gloria does not, I need to meditate on the submission for a bit.)
Let me be clear for both of you: this homework is less about what I think you are trying to say and more about forcing you to consider alternate possibilities and to try and convince /me/ of those alternate possibilities. There are like 3 different things I'm trying to do with it and at least two of them are pulling in opposite directions. This isn't busy-work, this has a purpose.
Flea has played High Priest without my say-so, and for that there will be punishment. I don't have a tiger pit available, but I do -- oh, he's already doing Titus. Okay, I can live with that.
Noraa, it is time for your reads list. The full one. The non-consensus one.
In post 6513, UNOwen wrote:
I want to spend some time reviewing a couple of slots this evening before I respond to MUSH, but Taylor/Fidget/Flea are all likely to end up as town leans I think.
Also this should be restated. All of Taylor/Fidget/Flea are likely to end up as town/town lean.
Based off of Shelley interactions? Is your theory that scum!Shelley never distances then? None of these are in my strong trs but I probably feel the best about Tayl0r.
You, similar to Noraa are obvious.
Actually, I think I just remembered something that Pooky was wrongly sr Tayl0r for. It was when he accused her of not wanting the scroll to save Noraa. Well, that’s actually town indicative now, because why would scum!Taylor care about saving town!Noraa.
I couldn’t find it but Pooky’s incorrect theory was that Tayl0r didn’t want to pass the scroll to Pooky, because she didn’t want him to scroll Noraa. I’m leaning Pooky/Tayl0r TvT.
Everyone is at risk of dying today. Post like it's your last day in the game. If I am not entertained I will put the hurt on you. I will not accept pleas, I will only accept your absolute loyalty and obedience.
[...]
Anyone I have not assigned a job to is encouraged to explain exactly how the others are sucking at their job. I'm watching for something specific in the dynamics. So, you know, everyone here. Almost.
In post 6539, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Flea has played High Priest without my say-so, and for that there will be punishment. I don't have a tiger pit available, but I do -- oh, he's already doing Titus. Okay, I can live with that.
*confused squeaking*
Sorry oh mighty
Persephone
Mush I shall remain silent once more
*makes a bowing exit while uttering their prayers*
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:24 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
Gloria, I have a response to your list and a verdict on your alignment, but it is going to need to wait. Suffice to say, as I am putting together a POE, I want to be absolutely 100% certain of where slots can go. Obviously, this is going to be highly dependent on how other slots react to posts like this one and how /the slots being sorted/ react to posts like this one. There are two red slots I absolutely see here, that I will not name. And you are a slot I have decided on but will not publicly assign alignment to. There may or may not be overlap and at least temporarily we will all have to live with that fact. Yes, it sucks and I'm horrible. Sue me. This post is important to make regardless, as a simple matter of cause and effect.
PEDIT: Flea, you need to remember the "mad god" bit. I will contradict myself, stamp on people for doing exactly what I asked, and generally act like a tyrant. There is no hope, there is only the big laughing worm in the sky, crowned in fire.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:30 am
by Gloria Cleary
Anyway @Mush, I’m going to be a super impressive student (far more impressive then when I actually was one and tried to get away with doing as little as possible).
Anyway. Pooky hard defended Owno as never being scum with Zedeneck based off of interactions. I really never did understand the Owno srs
And I’m aware that this is a wifom read but I think that in Fred’s scum theatre reads, it may possibly be telling that Shelley/Owno was the only obvious dueling pair that he left out and I think it’s pretty damned obvious now why that is.
In post 6507, Flea The Magician wrote:I have no clue what your logic is, but titus sus. I'll probably read her properly after DBT, if I'm not captured for Among Us.
Anyone in who was The Trials, what’s your DGB read?
null with gutpings but thats the only game ive played with dgb so it could just be an availability bias thing. i was also scum there so unsure how accurate my read is gonna be tbh.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:41 am
by Gloria Cleary
In post 6542, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Gloria, I have a response to your list and a verdict on your alignment, but it is going to need to wait. Suffice to say, as I am putting together a POE, I want to be absolutely 100% certain of where slots can go. Obviously, this is going to be highly dependent on how other slots react to posts like this one and how /the slots being sorted/ react to posts like this one. There are two red slots I absolutely see here, that I will not name. And you are a slot I have decided on but will not publicly assign alignment to. There may or may not be overlap and at least temporarily we will all have to live with that fact. Yes, it sucks and I'm horrible. Sue me. This post is important to make regardless, as a simple matter of cause and effect.
PEDIT: Flea, you need to remember the "mad god" bit. I will contradict myself, stamp on people for doing exactly what I asked, and generally act like a tyrant. There is no hope, there is only the big laughing worm in the sky, crowned in fire.
@Mush, whatever your verdict is, it probably shouldn’t be based off of my “homework” because I suck at making these kind of cases when I’m not organically motivated. Either I feel something or I don’t so whatever your read is, it should be based on the entirety of my posting. I never ever play like this as scum. Just like I absolutely hated the homework, I hate fake solving because unlike real solving, it’s absolutely no fun. That’s how you know I’m town here and honestly if you still don’t you should probably feel bad about it.
In post 6507, Flea The Magician wrote:I have no clue what your logic is, but titus sus. I'll probably read her properly after DBT, if I'm not captured for Among Us.
Anyone in who was The Trials, what’s your DGB read?
null with gutpings but thats the only game ive played with dgb so it could just be an availability bias thing. i was also scum there so unsure how accurate my read is gonna be tbh.
It’s kind of ironic but I actually am better at that as scum because I’m already informed and can see things a lot more clearly. I’m the absolute worst when I don’t have any meta to work with and I didn’t have any on either Fred or Shelley. I skimmed a couple of their games before this one but because I was casing different slots, didn’t really pay much attention to either.
In post 6507, Flea The Magician wrote:I have no clue what your logic is, but titus sus. I'll probably read her properly after DBT, if I'm not captured for Among Us.
Anyone in who was The Trials, what’s your DGB read?
null with gutpings but thats the only game ive played with dgb so it could just be an availability bias thing. i was also scum there so unsure how accurate my read is gonna be tbh.
Thanks. @Pooky, @Nora, what are your DGB reads here? I already know Titus’
